Ted Cruz Filibuster Obamcare has started!

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damwel
reply to post by WWJFKD

 

If you don't want to read it (who does) you should at least get your facts from a source that isn't an Aca hate source.

Sarcasm is lost in print. Yes I fully agree. I was pointing out the danger of accepting a source exclusively (as trusted) Nobody gets it right all the time and at the end of the day because you don't know who to trust you have to go with what your limited education has afforded you or pick a side and stick to your guns.

Me - I weigh things against the Constitution.

usernameconspiracy

Pinkorchid
reply to post by freedom12

 

Its all "Green Eggs and Ham" apparently .

US Senator reads Dr Seuss during filibuster

A US Senator has read a bedtime story to his young daughters at home during a televised filibuster speech that lasted more than 13 hours.

news.ninemsn.com.au...

Perhaps Dr Seuss's really does have the inside curve on Obamacare.

edit on 25-9-2013 by Pinkorchid because: (no reason given)

Does anyone else see the irony of reading a story about one who completely opposes green eggs and ham, but in the end decides to try them out and ends up loving them, while filibustering about an Act he is opposed to, but has not experienced in reality yet?

What you just said may point out some mild irony but it has no actual merit in reality.

America hasn't even been given an opportunity to try out a fully enacted Obamacare yet we've already lost tens of thousands of FULL time jobs, doctors shutting down their practices, and employers no longer projecting growth and profits but preparing for downsizing and tightening their belts.

But yes, go ahead and point out the irony of the situation and the story he read to his daughter for bedtime, it totally helps the Obamacare argument.

as i was saying www.abovetopsecret.com... why do we pay for this type of stunt when it did nothing at all not only by the Sen Cruz but by the ones not present? They seem to have forgotten they work for us not for their own interest, and leave ours ,the ones they are to work for by the way side.

How much more will we put up with? till we are enslaved and have no voice or vote?
To me this is what they want, for ever in power: no vote by the people, nor say, but to do what they please or pleases them .

So PolitiFact in Ohio is Gospel???

It only takes one exception anywhere to point out the fact that someone is not telling the truth.

Let's look at this tidbit here.

dailycaller.com...

Republican Sen. David Vitter is slamming his fellow lawmakers for “lying” and telling their constituents that there is no such thing as an Obamacare exemption for members of Congress and their staff members.

“Some are lying, trying to mislead the public about the Obamacare exemption for Congress,” Republican Sen. David Vitter said in a statement Thursday. “President Obama recently issued a special rule for Congress and congressional staff to get a special subsidy to purchase health insurance on the Obamacare Exchange unavailable to every other American at similar income levels. That’s an exemption, plain and simple.”

reply to post by eLPresidente


I actually watched as much as I could last night and when it came to the very personal moment where he referred to his girls at home getting ready for bed and that he wanted to read them a bedside story as he would normally do, I thought to myself - here we go 21 hour impassioned plea - bringing the peoples voice to DC (literally) is going to be reduced to his reading (to his daughters) Green Eggs and Ham. Well just so long as we focus on the important things...

reply to post by AlienScience


Well, I only briefly looked the info I received over, but it was confusing. I'll take a 2nd look at it and maybe even post it on here. Have a new laptop with HORRIBLE windows 8, so scanning it and uploading may be a prob.

Maybe I'll send you a PM later with it and you can look it over.

Look, my main problem with this is, how it was turned into a tax and ramrodded down our throats.

My current insurance through work is not good. Our company is "self-insured" and my deductible is 5K. The coverage is horrible on top of it.

This is a bailout for the health insurance companies, make no mistake about it!

Just like the bailout for the banks that gave bad loans to unworthy people.

Government steps in and FORCEFULLY BAILS OUT these enterprises at the tax payer's expense.

Its not socialism, its not capitalism. ITS CRONYISM!

Liberals are MASTERS at over-complicating EVERYTHING with their HYBRID socio-capitalist ideals.

Either keep free market capitalism or drop it for socialism.

In a way it is "socialism" but it is rich man's socialism.

EarthCitizen07
This is a bailout for the health insurance companies, make no mistake about it!

The framework was written by an x-female health insurance executive, so of course they are going to protect the industry that supports them and their cronies.

reply to post by Realtruth

It only takes one exception anywhere to point out the fact that someone is not telling the truth.

This is a logical fallacy, it falls under the fallacy of argument from authority...you are just using the reverse form of it.

To state that if a source has been wrong one time, then they are always wrong is just illogical and flat out wrong.


Now on to your graphic...it leaves out a very key word from section 1512...which is "may".

housedocs.house.gov...

if the employee purchases
a qualified health plan through the Exchange and the
employer does not offer a free choice voucher, the employee
may lose the employer contribution (if any) to any health benefits
plan offered by the employer and that all or a portion of
such contribution may be excludable from income for Federal
income tax purposes.

They "MAY" lose the employer contribution...that is entirely up to the employer.

The problem with congress and their staff is that the bill did not allow a mechanism for the Federal government to do this, because there was never a plan in the original bill for congressional staff to have to buy from the exchanges since they already have health coverage and are thus compliant with the law.

It was a Republicans attempt to put in an amendment that he thought would make the bill unattractive to Democrats backfired and Democrats embraced the idea of Congressional staff participating in the exchanges. However, they did this without putting in a mechanism for the Federal government to continue their contributions like they put in for the private sector.

So all the OPM did was make it so congressional staff are treated EXACTLY THE SAME as everyone else who works for a company but decides to purchase through the exchange.

There is no exemption, they are treated exactly the same.

well if this not beat all McCain Slams Cruz over Nazi comparison firstread.nbcnews.com... from the link in part

McCain lights into Cruz for invoking Nazi comparison
By Michael O'Brien, Political Reporter, NBC News
Arizona Sen. John McCain lit into Ted Cruz's marathon speech against Obamacare shortly after the Texas senator's 21-hour effort came to its conclusion on Wednesday.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., expresses concern over a comparison made by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, on Tuesday between fighting Obamacare and standing up to Nazi Germany.
McCain, Republicans' 2008 presidential nominee, castigated the effort to use the specter of a government shutdown to defund Obamacare. But more pointedly, McCain sharply criticized Cruz for likening those who oppose defunding Obamacare to Nazi appeasers before World War II.

"I resoundingly reject that allegation. That allegation, in my view, does a great disservice," McCain said on the Senate floor. "I do not agree with that comparison; I think it's wrong."
Cruz had said Tuesday on the Senate floor in reference to those who are skeptical of the effort to undo Obamacare: "I suspect those same pundits who say it can't be done, if it had been in the 1940s we would have been listening to them. Then they would have made television. They would have gotten beyond carrier pigeons and beyond letters and they would have been on tv and they would have been saying, 'You cannot defeat the Germans.'"

McCain said he had spoken with Cruz about the remark, and that the Texas senator had explained his comment was in reference to pundits, and not fellow senators.
"I find that a difference without a distinction. I find that something that I think I have to respond to," the Arizona senator said. "I do not begrudge Sen. Cruz or any other senator who wants to come talk as long as they want to or as long as they can, depending on the rules of the Senate. But I do disagree strongly that, to allege that there are people today who are like those who, prior to World War II, didn't stand up and oppose the atrocities that were taking place in Europe."

oh so now we the people are Nazis?? if you missed it here is

McCain sharply criticized Cruz for likening those who oppose defunding Obamacare to Nazi appeasers before World War II.

this is beyond pathetic.

freedom12
reply to post by AlienScience

 

Well, I only briefly looked the info I received over, but it was confusing. I'll take a 2nd look at it and maybe even post it on here. Have a new laptop with HORRIBLE windows 8, so scanning it and uploading may be a prob.

Maybe I'll send you a PM later with it and you can look it over.

Look, my main problem with this is, how it was turned into a tax and ramrodded down our throats.

My current insurance through work is not good. Our company is "self-insured" and my deductible is 5K. The coverage is horrible on top of it.

The employer is required you to notify you of the insurance exchanges. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are dumping your insurance. However, if your insurance sucks like you have claimed, it is likely that you will find better insurance on the exchanges...which is why it is part of the law for your employer to notify you of that option.

Now if you decide to go through the exchanges because you find better and cheaper insurance, it is up to your employer if they are going to continue to give you a contribution to your health insurance premiums. No one is stopping them from doing so, but I doubt most will because it is another option for profit.

Indigo5

Helious
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Nothing personal, but this form of logical fallacy, where viewers=credibility is what feeds the cancer destroying our News Media.

Facts are not determined by viewership numbers, the truth is not validated through a popularity contest.

Entertainment media = affirming viewers worldview...people like to feel good.

Facts are independent of how people "feel".

It's odd how you chose to ignore the rest of my post.

I chose the your first and principle claim..the rest began with "aside from that" suggesting your first claim was what your point was?

Helious
The very logical argument I made went further than just the viewership Drudge has, it is based on the fact that the site is essentially nothing more than a world news ticker and the articles found on Drudge come from an extremely wide range of sources, many of which are considered to be highly reputable.

There is nothing logical about a fully partisan "News" site being so lazy as to not even create it's own "News", but to rather SELECTIVELY choose the news it rebroadcasts NOT BASED credibility of sources, but rather on whether it fit's it's own partisan theme.

It is the epitome of what is wrong with news media. You are actually championing a site whose principle purpose is to give it's readers only the news they want to hear...Just sayin.

The first part of my post was a statement of fact, not a claim and it was made for nothing more than to illustrate that drudge is a trusted source of media for tens of millions of Americans every month.

What news source do you think presents things with absolutely no bias or spin of any kind? I'm curious to know.............. Drudge is more aimed at government accountability and less at partisan politics in my opinion but that's a debate that is separate from this issue.

You can find plenty of articles on Drudge from the most popular left leaning mainstream news sources so I guess I'm a little confused about you insisting that they are somehow influencing what people read or think by linking to already published news articles.

I hear some posters here talking about Ted Cruz putting on a show.

You want to see a real staged show? Pay attention to Mitch McConnell, he was whipping votes against Cruz's cloture attempt and now here he is, talking about how bad Obamacare is. Now that is a show but none of you notice it.

You guys can't tell the circus from the empty lot.

reply to post by Helious


Are you honestly suggesting that drudgereport isn't a right leaning source?

You can't even call them a "source"...they are just a compilation of the most right wing stories they can find.

And yes, you may sometimes find an article from a site that Republicans call "left wing"...but they are still almost always in support of the right wing agenda. This is because the left wing still calls out Obama and Democrats when they do dumb things...and that is when Drudge and other right wingers claim they are a legitimate source. Of course the other 95% of what is on those sites is still considered left wing propaganda from righties.

Drudgereport is by far one of the most right wing websites/sources right along with Fox News, The Blaze, and Rush Limbaugh.

bekod
well if this not beat all McCain Slams Cruz over Nazi comparison firstread.nbcnews.com... from the link in part

McCain lights into Cruz for invoking Nazi comparison
By Michael O'Brien, Political Reporter, NBC News
Arizona Sen. John McCain lit into Ted Cruz's marathon speech against Obamacare shortly after the Texas senator's 21-hour effort came to its conclusion on Wednesday.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., expresses concern over a comparison made by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, on Tuesday between fighting Obamacare and standing up to Nazi Germany.
McCain, Republicans' 2008 presidential nominee, castigated the effort to use the specter of a government shutdown to defund Obamacare. But more pointedly, McCain sharply criticized Cruz for likening those who oppose defunding Obamacare to Nazi appeasers before World War II.

"I resoundingly reject that allegation. That allegation, in my view, does a great disservice," McCain said on the Senate floor. "I do not agree with that comparison; I think it's wrong."
Cruz had said Tuesday on the Senate floor in reference to those who are skeptical of the effort to undo Obamacare: "I suspect those same pundits who say it can't be done, if it had been in the 1940s we would have been listening to them. Then they would have made television. They would have gotten beyond carrier pigeons and beyond letters and they would have been on tv and they would have been saying, 'You cannot defeat the Germans.'"

McCain said he had spoken with Cruz about the remark, and that the Texas senator had explained his comment was in reference to pundits, and not fellow senators.
"I find that a difference without a distinction. I find that something that I think I have to respond to," the Arizona senator said. "I do not begrudge Sen. Cruz or any other senator who wants to come talk as long as they want to or as long as they can, depending on the rules of the Senate. But I do disagree strongly that, to allege that there are people today who are like those who, prior to World War II, didn't stand up and oppose the atrocities that were taking place in Europe."

oh so now we the people are Nazis?? if you missed it here is

McCain sharply criticized Cruz for likening those who oppose defunding Obamacare to Nazi appeasers before World War II.

this is beyond pathetic.

I wanted to quote your quotes because that is what I was trying to say. Hell McCain refused to call it a Filibuster because no matter what Ted couldn't stop the vote regardless how long he blabbed on for.

It was all Bullcrap.

AlienScience

This is a logical fallacy, it falls under the fallacy of argument from authority...you are just using the reverse form of it.

To state that if a source has been wrong one time, then they are always wrong is just illogical and flat out wrong.

It appears that you may be the one using logical fallacies here. lol

If you would have taken the time to read my post with intent, you will see the word "exception" not exemption.

Someone that tries to argue a completely different situation, due comprehension issues sends up ATS warning flags in my eyes.

Let's look at the content of the article more closely, since I believe you may have an hidden agenda here.

“As you have no doubt read, President Obama recently issued a special rule for Congress only. Under it, Congress and congressional staff get a special subsidy to purchase health insurance on the Obamacare Exchange unavailable to every other American at similar income levels,” he said. “That special subsidy is worth approximately $11,000 per family.”

dailycaller.com...

Peace,

RT

reply to post by Realtruth

If you would have taken the time to read my post with intent, you will see the word "exception" not exemption.

Someone that tries to argue a completely different situation, due comprehension issues sends up ATS warning flags in my eyes.

Your graphic clearly says "Exemption" not "Exception".

I posted the exact wording of section 1512...care to explain why your graphic altered the text so that the meaning is something completely different?

reply to post by mudbeed

I wanted to quote your quotes because that is what I was trying to say. Hell McCain refused to call it a Filibuster because no matter what Ted couldn't stop the vote regardless how long he blabbed on for.

It was all Bullcrap.

It wasn't a filibuster because there was no vote up that he was trying to stop. This was more like a pre-filibuster.

The ironic thing is that Cruz WANTS the bill to pass...so he was "filibustering" a bill that he supports.

Figure that one out.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Government steps in and FORCEFULLY BAILS OUT these enterprises at the tax payer's expense.

Are you trying to say the government made the banks take hundreds of billions of dollars? Yeah right.