God does exist.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb

The one that created this particular universe happened once. So what you believe that it is a cycle of eternal oscillation ?

I believe it is a widely acknowledged possibility.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


And IYO When I say I believe the universe was created by God, is it valid for you to ask, "If God created the Universe, then who created God?"

Originally posted by Murgatroid
reply to post by daskakik

but when God shows up, there is NO question about it.

Man isn't that the truth... thinking about this I remember the second time Jesus brought me to him quite suddenly, and I was scared because I immediately thought of the wrongs I've done in my life.. There is no way out in that situation except to be totally honest about oneself to him. A scary experience, but also a very happy experience to be brought before him, and there is NO question about it who he is, like you said

I have also wondered "why me" plenty of times, and have read other accounts of people actually meeting the Lord, and every one of them has that same question "why me" Of course he can see things about us that we can't see.

It is interesting that this thread has exposed some interesting sociological aspects in people who seem to show anger and hostility towards those who reveal experiences about meeting the Lord, instead of interested curiosity like it would be if someone was relating an experience of seeing some strange creature, or whatever.

But when it is an honest true story about God, people get all excited and angry And This is the reason why:

Self pride and personal arrogance and personal dishonesty in order to feed the ego and use that faulty method to boost self esteem, and thus, ignore our sins in our life... One of the evil one's best deceptions.

Another method people use to ignore their sins and accountability is to claim God is terrible and is a bad guy like many have done in this very thread. They do this to personally escape judgement by claiming he is bad, but of course they are deceived into thinking this way.. This also shows that issue of personal arrogance with a capital "A"

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
reply to post by paradox

 

There is no logical reason to believe that God was not the singularity at the start of the Big Bang. There is no logical reason to believe God didn't set the laws of physics into motion after the first plank-time.

I don't believe God was not the cause, I just don't believe it was the cause. You obviously can not see the flaw in your way of thinking. There is absolutely no logic in saying God exists, just as there is no logic in saying God does not exist. The only logical conclusion is to accept it as a mere possibility (although unsupported by any facts whatsoever), just as it is possible there is an invisible unicorn under my bed who told me he created the universe.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


I've always enjoyed you on the forums infinity nor was I trying to strike a chord, so~

What proof do you have that God exists currently and actively? Please present your proof in full so that we can examine it.

Are we children? You show me your proof he doesn't and I'll show you mine. If you want me to prove through my belief system, hence having you belittle that which I believe to be true then... Spare me. I'll digress here~

Your understanding that...what? The nonexistence of a deity cannot be proven? It has not been, certainly. I wouldn't say it cannot be. I would also assert that the probability that a conscious and distinct ruling divine power does not exist has been more than adequately substantiated. None of the probabilities offered in defense of a higher power in this thread have been conclusively determined in favor of that higher power's factual existence.

And my understanding that you cannot prove that he/she/it does does not exist. Again these are just your beliefs to not believe, that when the lights go out that's just the end. Sadly, I do believe in a divine power nor do I have to justify my belief to you or any other Atheist who wants to push there own personal beliefs as fact.

I find myself highly concerned with the values and virtues and principles that are lauded by major religions of the world today. One of the most disturbing trends I've noted is the denigration of the human race. We are worthless, we are despicable, we are impure and therefore undeserving of existence, etc.

That's a sad outlook on life and this is a YOU problem sir. Not a me problem. I find many wonderful qualities in many different religions. However, how one individual decides to pervert any said religion or belief is on them and not me.

The perpetual guilt machine. Basic psychology. Because of that, even if your god was real, I would reject him straight off because I don't like corporate jackals. What was that saying? Those who sell essential liberties for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both? Yeah. I thought that would ring a bell.

Thanks for the history lesson. Einstein also stated that you cannot understand a world using logic in a illogical world.

That means for you, your basing all your beliefs on logic and that is the short coming for many Atheists, this is not a logical world and even though "god" isn't present does not mean he's not "here" (Get it?)

Lastly, please define "My God" I would love to hear your understanding of my beliefs which I never posted on any of these boards besides beliving in the Divine. Nor do I accept anything you've stated as fact if not a person who has a vindictive personality about anything pertaining to religion and spirituality.

So I will end with a childish antic: You show me yours and I'll show you mine.

This is where I take all my toys from the "sandbox" kick sand towards you *huff*, *puff* and walk away~

Good Day Sir~

reply to post by alienreality


How do you meet Jesus face to face? How is that arranged or achieved? Theoretically, I know you don't have to believe in him at all to meet him. You could be the worst of sinners and still get to meet him. How does that happen?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by alienreality

 

How do you meet Jesus face to face? How is that arranged or achieved? Theoretically, I know you don't have to believe in him at all to meet him. You could be the worst of sinners and still get to meet him. How does that happen?

That is not true Theoretically the only thing you have to do is believe in him.

John 6:29

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

If you are consistently sinning just to sin, well then you obviously don't believe in God or care to worship him because your purposely breaking his law, but I can tell by this question you do not understand the theological concept of sin nature. I'll try and give an example although it might be a pretty bad one, sin nature takes a lot of indepth conversation. The best example of sin nature I can think of, is who taught you to lie? No one, it was just part of your sin nature.

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

The one that created this particular universe happened once. So what you believe that it is a cycle of eternal oscillation ?

Sure, why not? It's just as possible as any other theory being presented in this thread. By the way your first sentence is worthless. It is like saying after watching one and only one person fall off a rather tall cliff and survive, "100% of the people who fell off of the cliff while I was watching survived, therefore everyone survives falling off of the cliff. Also if I didn't see it, it didn't happen."

reply to post by alienreality


"and I was scared"
This is exactly why people gravitate to religion and christianity...FEAR...the fear of death and punishment. How many would continue with the belief if it was proven there is no life, nor punishment or reason to fear death. Because you feel FEAR does not make relgion TRUE. "Life" preserve "Life"...this is obvious throughout all aspect of life, whether it be plant or animal. But as is obvious among all living thing, We all have to die, this is a natural process to continue life..the prey has to die to feed the predator and the cycle continue throughout the food chain from plant to animals. MAN/HUMAN is no exception, we think we are special be creating purposes and GODS and afterlife, but reality shows the obvious truth.

None of you answered my question, do you believe it is a valid question to ask," If God made the universe, who made GOd?"

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
None of you answered my question, do you believe it is a valid question to ask," If God made the universe, who made GOd?"

Absolutely. But the common response is usually "God does not need a creator, he is the alpha and the omega blahblahblahblah" which then begs the question, if God doesn't need a creator, why should the universe?

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb

That is not true Theoretically the only thing you have to do is believe in him.

John 6:29

Do you know how many people didn't believe in him until they met him? There's many Christians today who claim they were agnostic or atheist until they met who they believe to be Jesus. Meeting Jesus changed their position in the matter, and it never would have happened if they hadn't met him.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb


I'll answer it. Yes, I believe it is a valid question. As an agnostic I can question anything and as long as it is phrased as a question it is a valid question. It is Christians who claim up and down that it's not valid question because their scripture says otherwise. But consider this, if I already question the legitimacy of the Bible, why would I naturally believe that God has always existed?

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

ETA: I worked as a croupier in a casino for quite a few years, and given enough time and chances, I have indeed seen the improbable happen. ;-)

Yes when you have more than one chance it does become more probable, but the Big Bang only happened once, and we got lucky and it turned out our way and created a planet with the conditions for life. If we did the whole thing over again it would be impossible for us to end up in the same place, if we did the whole thing over again we might even have different laws of physics. The fact that it created the conditions required for life on earth is a one time thing, and a very lucky one time thing for us.

you are aware that in the milky way galaxy alone there are an estimated 200 billion stars. there are roughly an equivalent number of galaxies each with 10's or 100's of billions of stars in them. the odds in favor of earth being oh so special are drastically diminishing by the day. whatever you do don't quit your day job to start making books, they'll clean you out.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb

 

That is not true Theoretically the only thing you have to do is believe in him.

John 6:29

Do you know how many people didn't believe in him until they met him? There's many Christians today who claim they were agnostic or atheist until they met who they believe to be Jesus. Meeting Jesus changed their position in the matter, and it never would have happened if they hadn't met him.

Mm thats cool, but meeting Jesus doesn't get you into heaven. You could have fed and bathed Jesus for 40 days and 40 nights if you don't accept his pardon you cannot enter heaven because sin will still be on your soul.

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Mm thats cool, but meeting Jesus doesn't get you into heaven. You could have fed and bathed Jesus for 40 days and 40 nights if you don't accept his pardon you cannot enter heaven because sin will still be on your soul.

Yes the old accept Jesus into you heart nonsense. Isn't it wonderful that your god is so compassionate that I could be the nicest person to ever exist, never hurt a fly my entire life, actively put others before myself, yet forget not accepting Jesus, not have ever even HEARD of of him and I get to go to hell for it? I feel sorry for the Mayans, Aztecs, heck ANY Native American culture before the Europeans came. They get to burn for the AWFUL sin of having been born on the wrong part of the planet. Buddha? Yeah he's burning right now. How DARE he not be born in Europe.

reply to post by sulaw

Are we children? You show me your proof he doesn't and I'll show you mine. If you want me to prove through my belief system, hence having you belittle that which I believe to be true then... Spare me. I'll digress here~

I was hoping you would have a better answer than that. The fact that you don't just proves my point. No, we are not children - however, I would argue that something so definitive should have something to show for its validity. If you want my argument, check out my links and the threads I have authored on the subject. Both the links and the threads make quite a solid case in defense of the probability that a distinct and conscious ruling divine power does not exist.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


One evidence..just ONE concrete evidence that you aor anyone alive today has met Jesus. This evidence should be in the same form or format I would have to produce if I say to you that i met an ALIEN.

reply to post by toktaylor

One evidence..just ONE concrete evidence that you aor anyone alive today has met Jesus. This evidence should be in the same form or format I would have to produce if I say to you that i met an ALIEN.

The government isn't trying to conceal the presence of Jesus.

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb

 

That is not true Theoretically the only thing you have to do is believe in him.

John 6:29

Do you know how many people didn't believe in him until they met him? There's many Christians today who claim they were agnostic or atheist until they met who they believe to be Jesus. Meeting Jesus changed their position in the matter, and it never would have happened if they hadn't met him.

Mm thats cool, but meeting Jesus doesn't get you into heaven. You could have fed and bathed Jesus for 40 days and 40 nights if you don't accept his pardon you cannot enter heaven because sin will still be on your soul.

damn, he's way more judgmental than the bible makes him out to be. I guess I'll just hold out for Asgard, Olympus or maybe shangrala. those religious texts are just as valid as the Christian one right?