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God does exist.

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posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid

Just because YOU can't objectively verify his claim doesn't mean someone else can't.


I don't think you know what the word "objective" means.


I have personally had similar experiences which led me to the same exact conclusion.

Just like him, I no longer just believe, I KNOW.


It is belief.



Don't be so quick to label someone delusional when in fact you yourself are allowing yourself to be deluded.


I am only using a logical thought process.



His "delusion" has absolutely NOTHING to do with faith.

Neither does mine.


Yes it does.




posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid
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paradox
Because absolute knowledge can be objectively verified independent of the individual making the claim, which your claim can not. What you claim to "know" is not considered knowledge, but instead a delusion based on faith.

Just because YOU can't objectively verify his claim doesn't mean someone else can't.

I have personally had similar experiences which led me to the same exact conclusion.

Just like him, I no longer just believe, I KNOW.

Don't be so quick to label someone delusional when in fact you yourself are allowing yourself to be deluded.

His "delusion" has absolutely NOTHING to do with faith.

Neither does mine.


God has proven himself to me multiple times as well. I to would have to say that I KNOW God exist based off personal experiences, but these are not experiences that would shed light on those who believe there to be no God, because they will only believe it is fiction.



posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

God has proven himself to me multiple times as well. I to would have to say that I KNOW God exist based off personal experiences, but these are not experiences that would shed light on those who believe there to be no God, because they will only believe it is fiction.


I do not believe there is no god, there is just no logical reason to believe there is.



posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by bloodreviara
Yes i truly with all my heart hope a god that murdered his own son
and everyone on the planet once and plans to do it again is real.

With that much love in his heart i bet being in his so called grace
will just be wonderful.....


Yeah I know right. I remember another story from the bible when I was a kid. Something about first born sons in Egypt or somewhere. That people had to put goats blood above their door on a certain night or God would murder their first born baby boy. What kind of God murders children in their sleep? A sadistic one.



posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 02:04 AM
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There is no logical reason to believe that God was not the singularity at the start of the Big Bang. There is no logical reason to believe God didn't set the laws of physics into motion after the first plank-time.


Before a time classified as a Planck time, 10^-43 seconds, all of the four fundamental forces are presumed to have been unified into one force. All matter, energy, space and time are presumed to have exploded outward from the original singularity. Nothing is known of this period.


hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...

Any theories that attempt to explain this, attempt to explain something outside the existence of time....something that is impossible for us to study. Now is it more logical to assume our existence is because we got lucky and hit that one chance in a very huge statistical impossibility? Or that the Original singularity had a will and a plan for the occurrences after the Big Bang and we were supposed to be here.

So in the end it all comes down to faith. A belief without any possible explanation.....

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posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by paradox

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb

God has proven himself to me multiple times as well. I to would have to say that I KNOW God exist based off personal experiences, but these are not experiences that would shed light on those who believe there to be no God, because they will only believe it is fiction.


I do not believe there is no god, there is just no logical reason to believe there is.

If we all were atoms, for example, atoms with limited intelligence, it would be logical to believe there's an atom with unlimited intelligence.



posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 02:16 AM
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Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
So in the end it all comes down to faith. A belief without any possible explanation.....

No, and I think it has been proven in your thread on the subject.



posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 02:33 AM
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lol not at all.
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Refusing to call your faith.. faith"..doesnt mean you do not have it boss.
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posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 02:35 AM
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Lol all you want but anyone with an objective POV can see it all day long.

ETA: Twisting semantics isn't going to make it stick no matter how hard you try.
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posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 02:56 AM
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Not trying to get off topic, but let me just show you that you are the one twisting not me. You call my belief system Faith, because I believe their was a Creator, I came to this logical conclusion based on the evidences at hand, but you get offended when I call your belief system derived from evidence faith? You called your self an agnostic atheist right? So you adhere to agnostic atheism...a belief system that there is no God, although it is possible. THAT IS A FAITH.
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posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 03:06 AM
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Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
Not trying to get off topic, but let me just show you that you are the one twisting not me. You call my belief system Faith, because I believe their was a Creator,

No, I never said that.


I came to this logical conclusion based on the evidences at hand, but you get offended when I call your belief system derived from evidence faith?

Never said that it offended me.


You called your self an agnostic atheist right? So you adhere to agnostic atheism...a belief system that there is no God, although it is possible. THAT IS A FAITH.

I never called myself anything and I don't adhere to anything. I'm open to the existance of god but have not found convincing evidence. I don't think that constitutes faith.
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posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 03:38 AM
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You just described an agnostic. If that is the case I apologize.
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Agnosticism is impossible for me to argue against, because it takes no position.
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posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 03:45 AM
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Originally posted by alienreality

I know what I know is actual fact those things I spoke of.. I know them with 100% certainty.

You are the one who is unsure. and it is you, and not me, who isn't certain. Don't try to take your personal uncertainty and superimpose it over my experiences to try and rubbish them. That is not helping understanding to do that.
Just admit that you aren't personally ready to believe, no matter what anyone tells you. There is nothing wrong with that. But to use your uncertainty to discredit my certainty of my experiences is not logical at all.
If you wish to think I was simply hallucinating, that is fine with me. I know that is completely untrue, but it doesn't bother me..


Thank you for convincing me that you made that story up completely.

If you say you are 100% certain that you weren't hallucinating, then you must know that 100% it was not a hallucination because the story you made up was not meant to depict a hallucination. Otherwise you would've said something like, "I suppose that's a possibility, but I doubt its true to the extent that I would bet [insert cherished something here] on it."

I also find it amazing that God used the same grammar and language tendencies that you do. It's almost as if what he said was something you would say. It's almost as if the speech that God uses is the same speech you use. It's almost as if you made the story up.

How arrogant you must be to say that you know 100% and call God's existance a fact based on your own ridiculous anecdote which you failed to even paint a complete picture of.

Advice: next time you fabricate a story, be more thorough. tell me what the place you went to looked like, tell me how God's voice sounded. If this incident actually took place you would be enthused to share such things with people.

But you didn't. Most likely because it didn't happen.

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posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by LightOrange

Originally posted by alienreality

I know what I know is actual fact those things I spoke of.. I know them with 100% certainty.

You are the one who is unsure. and it is you, and not me, who isn't certain. Don't try to take your personal uncertainty and superimpose it over my experiences to try and rubbish them. That is not helping understanding to do that.
Just admit that you aren't personally ready to believe, no matter what anyone tells you. There is nothing wrong with that. But to use your uncertainty to discredit my certainty of my experiences is not logical at all.
If you wish to think I was simply hallucinating, that is fine with me. I know that is completely untrue, but it doesn't bother me..


Thank you for convincing me that you made that story up completely.

If you say you are 100% certain that you weren't hallucinating, then you must know that 100% it was not a hallucination because the story you made up was not meant to depict a hallucination. Otherwise you would've said something like, "I suppose that's a possibility, but I doubt its true to the extent that I would bet [insert cherished something here] on it."

I also find it amazing that God didn't used the same grammar and language tendencies that you do. It's almost as if what he said was something you would say. It's almost as if you made the story up.

How arrogant you must be to say that you know 100% and call God's existance a fact based on your own ridiculous anecdote which you failed to even paint a complete picture of.

Advice: next time you fabricate a story, be more thorough. tell me what the place you went to looked like, tell me how God's voice sounded. If this incident actually took place you would be enthused to share such things with people.

But you didn't. Most likely because it didn't happen.

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Explaining what God sounds and looks like would also provoke skepticism. It's as simple as this, you won't believe what you've never experienced.



posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 03:53 AM
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Here is the thing. For anyone who has faith in the biblical "god", I am an atheist. I am open to the existance of a creator but I have had personal experiences which have led me to belive that that "faith" is false.

I don't push it and I don't offer proof because I can't come through. It's a personal thing. That is the reason that I am not offended by anyone's personal assesment of things and their conculsions.



posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by daskakik
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Here is the thing. For anyone who has faith in the biblical "god", I am an atheist. I am open to the existance of a creator but I have had personal experiences which have led me to belive that that "faith" is false.

I don't push it and I don't offer proof because I can't come through. It's a personal thing. That is the reason that I am not offended by anyone's personal assesment of things and their conculsions.


Can you share one of these or is it to personal?



posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 04:11 AM
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Originally posted by BlackSunApocalypse
Explaining what God sounds and looks like would also provoke skepticism.


Not nearly as much as not mentioning any details at all beyond a few words that match the same language skills and styles that the individual possessed himself/herself.


It's as simple as this, you won't believe what you've never experienced.


Mmmm. Right. Well the funny thing is I went to a Bible camp for a while when I was younger. We attended chapel every day. I thought I knew God existed at one point because after a prayer tunnel I saw people be "healed" by the "holy spirit":

- A boy who wore contact lenses through his lenses out of the bus window on the way back to the cabins
- A boy who allegedly had needed braces his whole life had his teeth straightened (this was confirmed by the previously mentioned boy who was his brother
- A boy who wore a hearing aid and couldn't hear high-pitched sound was able to respond to his sister behind a door saying phrases in a very high pitched voice without his hearing aid
- A girl who stuttered was able to speak without stuttering

And I was convinced, my sister was convinced (she was weeping on the way back to the cabins)

Guess what happened the next day? I'll tell you:

- The boy who threw out his contact lenses was wearing glasses
- The boy whose hearing was apparently healed was wearing his hearing aids and his sister cried and yelled at her god the next day at chapel
- The girl who stuttered was stuttering

You know what else I noticed? The people who claimed to have been healed that day did so incrementally, one after another. It was as if they realized the attention the first person got for it and they all came up with something of their own.

And you know what else I learned later from my parents (who went to church with their parents)? SHOCKER -- their parents do the same thing at church.

Sorry but I don't believe anyone's ridiculous spiritual anecdotes for a very good reason; they're consistenly liars and attention seekers.



posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by LightOrange


Not nearly as much as not mentioning any details at all beyond a few words that match the same language skills and styles that the individual possessed himself/herself.

Mmmm. Right. Well the funny thing is I went to a Bible camp for a while when I was younger. We attended chapel every day. I thought I knew God existed at one point because after a prayer tunnel I saw people be "healed" by the "holy spirit":

- A boy who wore contact lenses through his lenses out of the bus window on the way back to the cabins
- A boy who allegedly had needed braces his whole life had his teeth straightened (this was confirmed by the previously mentioned boy who was his brother
- A boy who wore a hearing aid and couldn't hear high-pitched sound was able to respond to his sister behind a door saying phrases in a very high pitched voice without his hearing aid
- A girl who stuttered was able to speak without stuttering

And I was convinced, my sister was convinced (she was weeping on the way back to the cabins)

Guess what happened the next day? I'll tell you:

- The boy who threw out his contact lenses was wearing glasses
- The boy whose hearing was apparently healed was wearing his hearing aids and his sister cried and yelled at her god the next day at chapel
- The girl who stuttered was stuttering

You know what else I noticed? The people who claimed to have been healed that day did so incrementally, one after another. It was as if they realized the attention the first person got for it and they all came up with something of their own.

And you know what else I learned later from my parents (who went to church with their parents)? SHOCKER -- their parents do the same thing at church.

Sorry but I don't believe anyone's ridiculous spiritual anecdotes for a very good reason; they're consistenly liars and attention seekers.


It depends on the intention behind oratory, I don't think anyone with a good heart or good intention would try to deceive you with false anecdotes.
What essentially matters is experiencing God on your own.
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posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
"... we got lucky and hit that one chance in a very huge statistical impossibility?..."

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"One chance in a statistical impossibility" is a contradiction. If there's "one chance", then by definition it is possible... maybe very improbable... but the thing about "improbability" is that if given enough time, the improbable becomes very likely to happen.

Cheers

ETA: I worked as a croupier in a casino for quite a few years, and given enough time and chances, I have indeed seen the improbable happen. ;-)
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posted on Sep, 6 2013 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by puzzlesphere
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Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
"... we got lucky and hit that one chance in a very huge statistical impossibility?..."

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"One chance in a statistical impossibility" is a contradiction. If there's "one chance", then by definition it is possible... maybe very improbable... but the thing about "improbability" is that if given enough time, the improbable becomes very likely to happen.

Cheers

ETA: I worked as a croupier in a casino for quite a few years, and given enough time and chances, I have indeed seen the improbable happen. ;-)
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As far as we know the universe is practically limitless, so "probability" doesn't really come into play.

It's just not rational to say that, in a practically limitless universe, it's "virtually impossible" for something to exist when there is any tiny possibility for it to happen then it will likely happen. If there's a 1 in 1x10^2512312 chance of a planet to have the characteristic of Earth, and there is a limitless amount of planets, then there are still infinite possibilities and it's actually practically impossible for something like Earth to NOT exist.



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