God does exist.

Originally posted by LightOrange
As far as we know the universe is practically limitless, so "probability" doesn't really come into play.

People often claim how inprobable something is but they never do the math on how many times the dice have been tossed.

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I didn't make the story up in any way, shape or form.. Thanks for calling me a liar, that is very advanced for you. \end sarcasm .

You take someone's words and attempt to find a flaw in those words in order to discredit a persons experiences to satisfy your need to not be accountable for your life. This is normal so don't feel like you are the only one.

Most people that try to discredit peoples experiences when it comes to ones about God or Christ do so because they simply hate the idea of being held accountable for their life, instead of simply exercising a little humility in their daily life.. But no, you need to remain strong to yourself, and you see the only way to do this is to be arrogant and accusing, and cynical.

Let me know how that works out for you after your body dies..

reply to post by LightOrange


What's that theory that suggests this universe is only the latest in a highly extensive series of autonomous attempts? Like the Mark 1,546,964,723,652,193 or something like that? The very latest in RCG phenomena - otherwise known as Random Code Generator phenomena. An explosion scatters an unimaginably large amount of mathematical values across an ocean that's actually a filtering mechanism which guides and manipulates the values according to parameters that coincide with the laws of physics.

Now imagine that happening 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000+ times. That part with the codes and stuff is just my own nonsense, but the rest of it is an actual theory I think. Does anyone know?

reply to post by daskakik

Originally posted by daskakik
I am open to the existance of a creator but I have had personal experiences which have led me to belive that that "faith" is false. ...I am not offended by anyone's personal assesment of things and their conculsions.

Interesting...

I have always equated atheists as NOT being open to the existence of God.

I was once an atheist years ago but that is so far back that I have completely forgotten what it was like.

At the age of 25 I began to experience supernatural encounters that only God Himself could have done.

The end result was I KNEW God was real.

To this day I do not understand why ME.

To all those who remain open to other possibilities, we HAVE been lied to.

I KNOW this, I have seen undeniable proof.

So have countless others as well.

Below is a video with some examples of the types of encounters people are having:

reply to post by Murgatroid


You said religion and science are both tools of mass deception and corruption. What does your philosophy qualify as if it is neither science nor religion? And how is it valid if your god is taken from one of those religions used for mass deception and corruption?

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb

They are personal in the sense that they are subjective. I can't offer proof but they are too real for me to dismiss. I have had OBEs since my early teens. I was a christian then and found myself trying to shoehorn my expriences into that framework. They didn't fit.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Religion did NOT invent God...

On the other hand, God is clearly NOT the author of religion.

Satan has been using religion to masquerade as God since the beginning of time.

The easiest way to bring down a house is to discredit it from within.

Christian churches have been the targets of infiltration since the first ones began.

The "church" has been infiltrated which is WHY it bares so little resemblance to the early Church.

"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati..."

The Real Conspiracy the Jesuit infiltration of Christianity

I am convinced that many Fundamental Baptist churches are NOW pastored by Jesuits and Opus Dei agents. Many deacons and Sunday School teachers are now inside the Baptist movement teaching doctrines of Rome. LINK

"90% of the Southern Baptist hierarchy are Freemasons. There is also a high percentage of Christian leadership from the Lutheran and United Methodist churches are Masons. This would explain why Ecumenism has spread so easily. ...the goal is to infiltrate it with their compromising philosophies and attempt to destroy the Church from within."

Infiltration of Freemasonry

What if I were to tell you, that there is a vast Satanic conspiracy to deceive the masses of every society on earth? What if I were to tell you that the top leaders of the world’s religions were in league with the Devil? Would you think I’m crazy? I would! Yet, the truth is stranger than fiction! You have been lied to my friend. Few people in the world today are aware of just how much Satan has infiltrated organized religion. Link

"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati to enslave and brainwash society. In essence, religion was the first form of mind control. The indoctrination of the masses by a "Trojan Horse" false religion has allowed the Illuminati to take control and work in secret for many, many years." Link

The Vatican has infiltrated, or neutered and spayed, virtually every denomination and organization in Christendom. Various means have been used, but Opus Dei has played a major role in this.

Virtually 100% of the world's seminaries are in the pocket of the Roman Whore in that they use her Bible via the Alexandrian Gnostic Greek texts.

I am fully persuaded that Opus Dei and the Jesuits have already planted many of their agents in Baptist and Fundamental churches and schools.

I am convinced that many Fundamental Baptist churches are NOW pastored by Jesuits and Opus Dei agents. Many deacons and Sunday School teachers are now inside the Baptist movement teaching doctrines of Rome. You need to read the following articles so that you can watch for the signs that you too have an hireling planted in your church by the Vatican.

OPUS DEI-- War on Protestantism

"Today the religions of the world remain a major tool of the Illuminati agenda. They maintain the climate of unquestioning, unthinking, ignorance, and their pseudo-morality provides a veil of hypocrisy, behind which the most sickening abuse of children can be hidden."

"Some of the most famous church "leaders" and evangelists on the planet are Illuminati operatives who use religion to manipulate and brain-wash their followers while engaging in Satanic rituals that beggar belief."

"But the mass of unthinking followers in any religion are merely the fodder and the screen behind which the real business goes on." Link

Originally posted by Murgatroid
At the age of 25 I began to experience supernatural encounters that only God Himself could have done.

You went into it with a preconceived idea.

To all those who remain open to other possibilities, we HAVE been lied to.

I believe that God is just another part of that lie.

reply to post by Murgatroid

Religion did NOT invent God...

On the other hand, God is clearly NOT the author of religion.

Satan has been using religion to masquerade as God since the beginning of time.

The easiest way to bring down a house is to discredit it from within.

Christian churches have been the targets of infiltration since the first ones began.

The "church" has been infiltrated which is WHY it bares so little resemblance to the early Church.

All of that just confuses the issue and makes me even more reluctant to invest in organized religion. If there is that much corruption, deception and manipulation going on - no one is safe. No one. The best way to avoid getting caught up in the mind games is to not play them. And that means the closest you get is the sidelines, where you may observe but not participate.

Not to mention that such an abundance of corruption and manipulation really gives credence to the theory that religion was never about gathering followers for an actual god, so much as gathering pawns for a game of ideals. I guess the best way of putting it is that organized religion is no more than a corporate race to manipulate the psychological economy of global society. Corporations, in this case, are the religious groups attempting to monopolize the psychological triggers of the human species. They want to manipulate the flow of passion, if you will. When both joy and fear are activated with a few words, the world is yours.

reply to post by daskakik

You went into it with a preconceived idea.

Completely irrelevant...

What I experienced was not an idea or a belief.

I had a head on collision with a living God.

My experience was not as dramatic as some of the experiences in the video I posted, but when God shows up, there is NO question about it.

The OP said it best...

Originally posted by BlackSunApocalypse
What essentially matters is experiencing God on your own... you won't believe what you've never experienced.

Originally posted by Murgatroid
reply to post by daskakik

 

You went into it with a preconceived idea.

Completely irrelevant...

What I experienced was not an idea or a belief.

True but your interpretation of it was based on an idea.

I had a head on collision with a living God.

My experience was not as dramatic as some of the experiences in the video I posted, but when God shows up, there is NO question about it.

The OP said it best...

Originally posted by BlackSunApocalypse
What essentially matters is experiencing God on your own... you won't believe what you've never experienced.

It's like experiencing the great and powerful OZ. You stand in awe but I got a peek behind the curtain.

reply to post by daskakik

It's like experiencing the great and powerful OZ. You stand in awe but I got a peek behind the curtain.

Sounds interesting! What did you see? Give us all the juicy details of your revelation!

reply to post by AfterInfinity

LIES are what confuses the issue.

The truth sets people free.

I HATE organized religion with a passion and recommend people avoid it like the plague that it is

Religion was made to divide and cause animosity towards God.

Most of those who call themselves "Christians" have embraced a form of religion which in reality is a counterfeit that does not produce any life or fruit.

Our world is FULL of imitations, WHY should religion be any different?

Whenever you have a genuine, there will ALWAYS be a counterfeit...

When the Secret Service trains its members to recognize counterfeit money, they begin by studying and learning the genuine article. They study in great detail all of its protections, its paper and markings, and the very smallest details to ensure they know the “real thing” better than anything. A bank teller deals with money all day long and he or she can get a good feel of the currency and know the “real thing” from experience and handling the bills on a daily basis.

We begin by finding the genuine article by looking at the name…one that honors its founder and creator. As Christ pointed out to Peter, in Matthew 16:18, Christ is the founder…any other is an imposter/man-made/counterfeit.

Counterfeit Religion

reply to post by Murgatroid

I HATE organized religion with a passion and recommend people avoid it like the plague that it is

Religion was made to divide and cause animosity towards God.

re·li·gion
noun ri-ˈli-jən
Definition of RELIGION
1
a : the state of a religious
b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

So basically, you recognize a god but hate religion. You avoid religion, yet you worship a god. With that in mind, let's return to what you posted:

"I HATE organized religion with a passion and recommend people avoid it like the plague that it is. Religion was made to divide and cause animosity towards God."

Do you realize what a contradiction of terms that is? You're talking about selling cars to cripple the oil economy. Boycotting the oil economy to promote the use of motorized vehicles. I'm not sure you understand how paradoxical your statement is.

LIES are what confuses the issue.

Might wanna add yourself to that list too. You're certainly confusing me with your paradoxical spirituality.

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So question for you, how do you know that the things that you experienced aren't malevolent beings that are masking themselves to deceive you? I mean you claim that religion and history is one big deception perpetrated by demons, so why can't the same be true for the things you witnessed? See I've always wondered how these events where people claim they experience God and now they are believers, why is it just them? Why not everyone?

I mean for an all loving God, if he wanted to have the most believers possible, maybe just MAYBE it would make a little sense to stop by every 100 years or so and say, "Hi, I'm God, how's everything going? Just stopping by to let you know I'm still here watching over you. Here's a miracle or two just to make sure." Sure even then you'd still have a group of stubborn people who wouldn't believe, but they would be a MUCH smaller group than what exists today. Look how many of the world's problems would be cleared up. He could let us know what the correct religion is, how to worship him, maybe give a heads up on whatever deceptions the devil was currently trying to pull on the population, explain some nagging questions people have like if evolution is true or not, and many more things. But no since 2000 years we've had silence and since People tend to live 3/4ths of a century that is many generations removed from having last experienced something allegedly Godly, except I guess for people like you who are just lucky ones.

I mean none of this strikes you as odd? God loves everyone, but apparently not equally, since he deems to only let a very small minority know he even exists. And to be lucky apparently, judging by how you got to experience God, has nothing to do with you even believing in his existence and following his word; since said you were an atheist before then.

ETA: I worked as a croupier in a casino for quite a few years, and given enough time and chances, I have indeed seen the improbable happen. ;-)

Yes when you have more than one chance it does become more probable, but the Big Bang only happened once, and we got lucky and it turned out our way and created a planet with the conditions for life. If we did the whole thing over again it would be impossible for us to end up in the same place, if we did the whole thing over again we might even have different laws of physics. The fact that it created the conditions required for life on earth is a one time thing, and a very lucky one time thing for us.

reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb

but the Big Bang only happened once

Says who?

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb

 

They are personal in the sense that they are subjective. I can't offer proof but they are too real for me to dismiss. I have had OBEs since my early teens. I was a christian then and found myself trying to shoehorn my expriences into that framework. They didn't fit.

Not sure how that disproves God even on a personal level.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


The one that created this particular universe happened once. So what you believe that it is a cycle of eternal oscillation ?

reply to post by AfterInfinity

An old gray haired scientist pulling levers.