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Why we SHOULD demand military action on Syria

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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 02:01 AM
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To all American patriots who are eager to go to war with Sirya.

Who made you police of this globe ?
Why is it that with every war civil or else, America is one of the first to get his nose into it?


You are not the international police of this world, maybe you think you are but most wars today are conflicts which are in America's not best interest. You might loose petrodollars, or valuable resources, or drugs. There is evidence enough which indicates that many conflicts were made by the USA and conflicts where the USA could loose some potential income so they needed to intervene and safeguard their interests.

Be more civil to one another and get a life without gabbing arms at first site of trouble of income to the US.




posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by DutchBigBoy
To all American patriots who are eager to go to war with Sirya.

Who made you police of this globe ?
Why is it that with every war civil or else, America is one of the first to get his nose into it?


You are not the international police of this world, maybe you think you are but most wars today are conflicts which are in America's not best interest. You might loose petrodollars, or valuable resources, or drugs. There is evidence enough which indicates that many conflicts were made by the USA and conflicts where the USA could loose some potential income so they needed to intervene and safeguard their interests.

Be more civil to one another and get a life without gabbing arms at first site of trouble of income to the US.



Hello DutchBigBoy,
thanks for joining the conversation.

I get the impression that you may be
reacting more to the thread title than
the nuanced discussion that has taken
place for 18 pages previously.

We are interested in indictments for
those responsible. If they are our
employees, or reprisals if they are not.




Rather like this.


Mike



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 02:21 AM
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I know that also the dutch companies and governement are idiots too to get involved into this stupid manipulated rebellion. David Icke made a video of what really is happening in Sirya and I hope all those people who are involved in this manmade rebellions, conflicts and wars are arrested and get the punishment they deserve.




posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 02:26 AM
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Originally posted by DutchBigBoy
I know that also the dutch companies and governement are idiots too to get involved into this stupid manipulated rebellion. David Icke made a video of what really is happening in Sirya and I hope all those people who are involved in this manmade rebellions, conflicts and wars are arrested and get the punishment they deserve.



Long video, almost 20 minutes.
Watching it now. Will comment.


Mike



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by mikegrouchy

And here we are on almost page 20
and from reading the quote above, I
find that I am being forced to defend
a "military poke into someone elses
business" which is a gross miss-
characterization of both the intent,
discussion, and purpose of this
thread.



Mike


You either DO want to take a military poke into Syrian internal business, or you DO NOT. Which is it, and how is that a "mischaracterization"?

Are you Syrian, that it should be your business?

Do you think the US should continue in the business of running foreign rebellions?

How do you think it's any of OUR business?



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 02:32 AM
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Mike, why did you disregard my post about democracy? What is your answer to it? Do you believe in democracy? If your beliefs differ from the majority are you willing to concede in the name of democracy? Do you shout democracy and justice while in the same breath whisper anarchy and chaos?

We should seek answers, and most of the answers are there already if you look hard enough. The answers you seek cannot be gained without the support of the majority. First you must concede to democracy, then propose alternatives the majority will find acceptable.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by DutchBigBoy
I know that also the dutch companies and governement are idiots too to get involved into this stupid manipulated rebellion. David Icke made a video of what really is happening in Sirya and I hope all those people who are involved in this manmade rebellions, conflicts and wars are arrested and get the punishment they deserve.



Here is my own humble contribution to the September the eleventh issues
from back in the day.

posted on: 20-3-2011
ATS: This is what I remember





Meanwhile...
Here is an update on the Refugee camp in Jordan.


Mike









“I used to always cry,” she says.

But now she doesn’t seem to stop smiling as her eyes following the kids running around their tiles laid out on the ground.

“And here I am, I stopped crying," she says.

Displaced but finding new purpose in Jordan's Zaatari camp

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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 02:48 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

And here we are on almost page 20
and from reading the quote above, I
find that I am being forced to defend
a "military poke into someone elses
business" which is a gross miss-
characterization of both the intent,
discussion, and purpose of this
thread.



Mike


. [color=gold] You either DO want to take a military poke into Syrian internal business, or [color=gold] you DO NOT. Which is it, and how is that a "mischaracterization"?

Are [color=gold] you Syrian, that it should be [color=gold] your business?

Do [color=gold] you think the US should continue in the business of running foreign rebellions?

How do [color=gold] you think it's any of OUR business?



This post seems to persist In trying to make this about me.



There are others who would disagree.

It's not too late to join us in trying to figure out
what is really going on, who the players are,
and the entire chain of custody of the used
Chemical Weapons.


Mike
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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by KnowledgeSeeker81
Mike, why did you disregard my post about democracy? What is your answer to it? Do you believe in democracy? If your beliefs differ from the majority are you willing to concede in the name of democracy? Do you shout democracy and justice while in the same breath whisper anarchy and chaos?

We should seek answers, and most of the answers are there already if you look hard enough. The answers you seek cannot be gained without the support of the majority. First you must concede to democracy, then propose alternatives the majority will find acceptable.


I can't read this whole thread for anyone,
neither can I make them reach understanding.
Though a few participants have.

I'm afraid that the quote above is laboring
under the illusion that I owe them something.



Does the reader believe in football?


Mike



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 02:58 AM
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Originally posted by mikegrouchy

There are others who would disagree.

It's not to late to join us in trying to figure out
what is really going on, who the players are,
and the entire chain of custody of the used
Chemical Weapons.


Mike

Seek that truth with the military when the people pf America ask for it. So far the people have said no military intervention, but congress and the president said yes military action. You don't get it. Even if congress said no Obama was going to order strikes on Syria. In other news, the MAJORITY of all Americans have been # on by congress and their local reps as they approve limited military intervention. Democracy....a nice dream



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 03:04 AM
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You owe nothing, I didn't say nor imply you did. I asked a question, and you chose to answer by not answering. That is your right and that is because the majority of America feels it should be your right to do, say, feel, believe what and how you would like. So respect that. Also just consider that in a democracy, the US people...the true owners of the military, do not want military intervention. Find a solution to this event without the US military, and I will support you 100%



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by KnowledgeSeeker81

You owe nothing, I didn't say nor imply you did. I asked a question, and you chose to answer by not answering. That is your right and that is because the majority of America feels it should be your right to do, say, feel, believe what and how you would like. So respect that. Also just consider that in a democracy, the US people...the true owners of the military, do not want military intervention. Find a solution to this event without the US military, and I will support you 100%


Well, thank you.
On those terms I can state what I believe.






This Country,

The United States of America

Is our house.


Central and South America are

our front Yard, Canada the attic.


The rest of the world is our Back Yard.





If the reader cannot see it that way,
they maybe this isn't their house,
maybe they are just a hireling,
visitor, or servant.

Only the reader can know for sure.


Mike



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 03:17 AM
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You are blinded by your own beliefs. This is the majority of the populations country, or so it's supposed to be.

If you ask 10 random people on the street
if we should intervene in Syria
with our military
you will get 8-10 out of 10 people saying no intervention

you want answers, you want to know.

when you are the minority of a democracy why must the democracy submit to you?

I want to know the results of your studies and searches, just don't use my US military force while myself and the majority of citizens do not approve of military action.

When the majority swings to support
the big bad military getting to the bottom of it
i will not swing on that swing
i will respect the playground though
i play on the same playground



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by KnowledgeSeeker81
reply to post by mikegrouchy
 


[color=gold] youare blinded by [color=gold] your own beliefs. This is the majority of the populations country, or so it's supposed to be.

If [color=gold] you ask 10 random people on the street
if we should intervene in Syria
with our military
[color=gold] you will get 8-10 out of 10 people saying no intervention

[color=gold] you want answers, [color=gold] you want to know.

when [color=gold] you are the minority of a democracy why must the democracy submit to [color=gold] you?

[color=gold] I want to know the results of [color=gold] your studies and searches, just don't use my US military force while myself and the majority of citizens do not approve of military action.

When the majority swings to support
the big bad military getting to the bottom of it
[color=gold] i will not swing on that swing
[color=gold] i will respect the playground though
[color=gold] i play on the same playground


Are there any other tools in the bag of KnowledgeSeeker,
besides characterizing the person they are talking with as
being this or that?

ATS thread: How to tell if a person has a huge ego (is extremely self centered)

Any new information, or knowledge to share
on the actual situation in Syria, the issues
being discussed, or the use of Chemical Weapons?


Mike
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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 03:42 AM
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Thank you for the ego link, "you" meet those criteria.

There are other topics on this but here are a few updates

rt.com...

rt.com...

rt.com...

I have been watching this entire situation like a hawk
Thanks for taking the time to judge me

notice I only referenced RT, as it is a Russian news agency

I don't take everything as is, I find my news through resaerch

Why are you dodging the one question I have? Do you believe in democracy?

Before answering please refer to this

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you choose not to answer I understand. People are waking up, it's difficult to grasp.


* I never characterized you, I simply stated the democratic truth. It's not up to me to interpret my words
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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Originally posted by nenothtu

. [color=gold] You either DO want to take a military poke into Syrian internal business, or [color=gold] you DO NOT. Which is it, and how is that a "mischaracterization"?

Are [color=gold] you Syrian, that it should be [color=gold] your business?

Do [color=gold] you think the US should continue in the business of running foreign rebellions?

How do [color=gold] you think it's any of OUR business?



This post seems to persist In trying to make this about me.



It's your thread, and your argument to try to insinuate us into someone else's war.

If the shoe fits...





There are others who would disagree.

It's not too late to join us in trying to figure out
what is really going on, who the players are,
and the entire chain of custody of the used
Chemical Weapons.


Mike


I can't help what other people think. I'm educating them as fast as I can - if they are educable.

It's far too late to expect me to join you in this foolhardy effort.

"Chain of custody" is a legal term, not a military one. If you want legal action, send in the FBI, not the Marines. I already know what is going on, and who the players are. I've been educating people as to those facts as well. I will not, nor will my son, fight on behalf of the Muslim Brotherhood or al-Qaeda. They are our enemies. attempting to force us into that fight will not have the desired effects - but those who do WILL have a fight on their hands, make no mistake about that.

It just won't be the fight the warmongers will have hoped for. But hey, a fight is a fight when one is spoiling for war, is it not?

We always have, and always will, fight on the side of the American People.

NOT America's enemies.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 10:54 AM
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Ignoring my request ay? No plan other than a limited impotent strike obviously. What was YOUR MOS rate or job in the middle east?
It sure as hell wasn't recon. Otherwise you'd have more knowledge of your world because of the data needed. Nothing you have said is anything but an opinion,oh and Mexico and Canada are next to us they don't fall under American soverignty.


Military who ARE awakened said "NO" nothing else need be said.
You and your singular "principals" are free to attack Syria.YOU go do it We have foot the bill for this BS for TOO MANY years and it is indeed time to STOP playing police we can no longer afford it and the world rejects it.



posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by cavtrooper7
Ignoring my request ay? No plan other than a limited impotent strike obviously. What was YOUR MOS rate or job in the middle east?
It sure as hell wasn't recon. Otherwise you'd have more knowledge of your world because of the data needed. Nothing you have said is anything but an opinion,oh and Mexico and Canada are next to us they don't fall under American soverignty.


Military who ARE awakened said "NO" nothing else need be said.
You and your singular "principals" are free to attack Syria.YOU go do it We have foot the bill for this BS for TOO MANY years and it is indeed time to STOP playing police we can no longer afford it and the world rejects it.


Don't be too quick to believe our own press here at ATS.

The idea that we were ever "playing" police so that we
can stop, is laughable.

After 19 pages of calling for crowdsourcing to help get
some real information on what is really going on I find it a
bit shallow to now accuse me of not having information.











History will look back at us.




It won't see all the posturing and
political games,

It won't see the media spin machine
and the day We The People started to resist it


It won't see that the public,
for the first moment in decades,
was feeling that they were getting
some control of their own country back.




No.




History will only see one thing.

That we dropped the ball,
when it came to an escalation of chemical warfare.



If we fail to act,
History will judge us
as failures as well.



We must not just act,
we must demand action.

Don't let this be the Governments' idea,
don't let this be the Media's idea.

Make history see that at this moment
we shed our media controlled psy-op conditioning
and at that exact moment
we made the right decision
for the future of all human kind.


Why we SHOULD [color=gold] demand military action on Syria


/thank you for reading

Mike

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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 11:12 AM
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Very selective answer,and the rest?
We are resisting.we say NO.
Most of my info on the world comes from buddies who were in the Cav, 2 SF and 1 PRC in Iraq now.And of course SOME internet.Media is measured by propoganda assesment,it too is telling.
So again unless you are a person of military training, you got bubkiss. Because YOU played that card. Instead of being an EMO 20 something or behaving like one.Identify yourself or you are a novel writer.
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posted on Sep, 4 2013 @ 11:16 AM
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The UN is a poker game that we host in our house.

It is not the ruler of our house.

I find it curious how many dyed-in-the-wool conspir-
acy realists who have been against a NWO are now
arguing in favor of UN ownership if this situation.





We humans have never
had a world war, what there wasn't
a league of nations or a UN there first to shepherd it.







All these modern wars are caused by publishing.

Hearst Corporation
spanish american war 1898






It's a conflict between the words [color=gold] resident and [color=gold] nation

German Nationality law 1913 (nationality defined by descent not residency)
en.wikipedia.org...


The idea that Germany dared to define themselves by descent and
not by the approved of idea of residency inflamed the world against
them almost overnight.

ww1 july 28, 1914



Melbourne 1914







These self appointed world governing bodies
are nothing more than publishg houses in the
war of words

league of nations 1933
ww2 1939


First meeting of the League of Nations.







The UN publishes instructions for their troops,
but they don't train or handle the soldiers they back.
The UN doesn't have troops.
They just publish decisions and rules.

United Nations 1945
Palestinians refuse to identify themselves by nation, citing only residency.






First resolution of the United Nations: In January 1946 the General Assembly agreed on the “elimination from national armaments of atomic weapons and of all other major weapons adaptable to mass destruction.”




The United Nations and Disarmament 1945-1965 (www.amazon.com)


Pope goes to UN, calls for end of war and age of peace. 1965



At the 1965 U.N.'s Women's Conference in Beijing, China, Mrs. Bruntland, a medical doctor, made a sustained attack on the Vatican delegation for their opposition to abortion as woman's universal right.

UNICEF was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1965 and ... Catholics have also accused UNICEF of supporting abortion through their ...


first "terrorist" incident 1970
wikipedia / list of terrorist incidents 1970


Swissair 330





My conclusion.
The UN has reclassified war as terrorism, unless they do it,
and now we have abortion too.

The birth rate across all of Europe has dropped below 2.1.
No civilization in the history of the world has recovered
from a birth rate that drops below 2.1.
Europe is growing grey on it's feet, with no relief in sight.
They just haven't realized yet.
That most of them are old now and there aren't enough children.

Europeans are extinct,
something no "war" was ever able to accomplish.




Mike
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