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No. I went from a good runner on two legs to one which, through evolution, developed a really nice set of wings. With wings like that, running wasn't very important.
He jumped right to long legged big winged animal, flying or short legged winged animal flying.
UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by peter vlar
Actually, Phage did not explain how a useless leg that is "pre-wing" is helpful to the animals survival and by natural selection it would become extinct and not evolve.
He jumped right to long legged big winged animal, flying or short legged winged animal flying. I am talking about this millions of years slowly evolving from an animal that uses four legs to get around, hunt, build dens etc to one that has some pretty useless front limbs that are less dense than before trying to make it another half a million years before it gets wings that can fly.
You all know that it would not survive and therefore it is not a likely explanation of how birds evolved or how anything evolved.
UnifiedSerenity
I like the example that believing in evolution with its vast improbability is the same as believing a tornado could hit a massive junkyard and when it leaves an hour later a perfect able to fly 747 would be left in it's wake. Most pro-evolution people hate this example because it is exactly what they believe happened millions of years ago. How can you create something from nothing? How can you get life from non-life. And if we being so intelligent cannot create life, then how can it just happen by accident.
Check out coelophysis, not really very big at all. You may as well check out archaeopteryx while you're at it.
Look, it's cute to use T-Rex that stood how many feet? Had a huge head with big sharp teeth and very dense bone structure supporting it's massive body.
No. Common ancestors maybe, but there were these guys:
Or are you postulating that T-Rex is the critter that turned into the bald eagle?
Do you think that evolution means your hand just fall off or suddenly become non functional?
Imagine you are mutating and you lose the practical use of your hands and arms, how are you going to survive in the ancient world?
Whether or not legs become useless depends upon the environment and other adaptations which may occur in an animal.
Phage is it your theory of evolution that says we change very slowly over millions of years so at some point that leg is useless.
Ancestor of archeopteryx? I gave you a possibility already.
Where is Archeopteryx ancestor ? I am not talking of a functional wing, but one that is neither running leg nor functioning wing.
UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by peter vlar
Look, it's cute to use T-Rex that stood how many feet? Had a huge head with big sharp teeth and very dense bone structure supporting it's massive body. Now, come back to reality of a lizard or some critter like that turning into a normal size bird. Can you simply not see that while it's front legs lose bone density and it is trying to survive in a brutal world of eat or be eaten that while it was spending all the time without the use of it's front legs as it would have before that it is at a disadvantage? It can't fly, it cant run as it used to and how is it supposed to survive to continue to turn into a bird?
Or are you postulating that T-Rex is the critter that turned into the bald eagle?
This is your theory, so do tell me how this all makes sense? Imagine you are mutating and you lose the practical use of your hands and arms, how are you going to survive in the ancient world? You can't pick up a club, you can't fight off any critters that are not as limited as you are with your half arm half wing growing.edit on 9-9-2013 by UnifiedSerenity because: (no reason given)
UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by peter vlar
Look, it's cute to use T-Rex that stood how many feet? Had a huge head with big sharp teeth and very dense bone structure supporting it's massive body. Now, come back to reality of a lizard or some critter like that turning into a normal size bird. Can you simply not see that while it's front legs lose bone density and it is trying to survive in a brutal world of eat or be eaten that while it was spending all the time without the use of it's front legs as it would have before that it is at a disadvantage? It can't fly, it cant run as it used to and how is it supposed to survive to continue to turn into a bird?
Or are you postulating that T-Rex is the critter that turned into the bald eagle?
This is your theory, so do tell me how this all makes sense? Imagine you are mutating and you lose the practical use of your hands and arms, how are you going to survive in the ancient world? You can't pick up a club, you can't fight off any critters that are not as limited as you are with your half arm half wing growing.edit on 9-9-2013 by UnifiedSerenity because: (no reason given)
UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by paradox
God creating from nothing is not Abiogenesis. Abiogenesis wants us to believe that life came from non life by natural means. God is very natural and the source of life and able to do all things. Why don't you try answering some questions.
UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by dragonridr
This is about evolution making statements of fact regarding millions of years we cannot observe producing changes in kind we do not see in the fossil record that if you look at it naturally does not make sense because at some point that animal that is changing is at a serious disadvantage and no matter how much you want to believe a lizard turned into a bird, it would have been killed as easy prey before it gained the ability to fly.
It's simple logic and yet you don't want to even think about it seems.
UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by daskakik
I am looking at the simple physical act of changing from a dense boned four legged critter to one that is less dense, has two non functioning legs that are not quite wings yet. Again, chop off your arms and go try to live in the wilderness and if you are still alive in 3 months I will reconsider my logic.
UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by daskakik
You are trying to compare Cheetah's to a bird's bone density in their wing? Please, try to compare apples to apples. We are talking about a ground animal slowly over millions of years growing it's front legs into wing structures that have to be VERY light that will for a long time due to evolution be unable to support them.
You are really trying hard to make it fit, but in reality you know I am right. Go look up wing strength for weight bearing and doing things a land dwelling animal needs to do. Quite frankly, they would be a hindrance for thousands of years and yet you want to believe they would survive this and not become extinct bases no natural selection.