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Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by helldiver
Oh really? You don't remember any history where science is used as an excuse to kill millions? Wow, I think that is called Eugenics and Hitler who loved it! Seems he used science all the time to justify getting rid of the less evolved peoples. Now, I know you all will say he was a Christian, and to that I will say, he was just another of the godless masses who will use any excuse to dominate mankind.
Lot's of men have used the guise of religion to control the people, and I am sure there are some deluded idiots who actually think they are doing God's work and some of them also claim Lucifer is God and so, which God is it they are really serving?
Please don't pull out the holier than thou "I'm a scientist" card. I do believe we can pull up all kinds of Godless people in history who killed millions in the name of science or used scientific reasoning to do what they did, hmmm Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao come to mind, I'm sure we can find some more.
Be careful with those stones you all are throwing in your glass houses!edit on 4-9-2013 by UnifiedSerenity because: (no reason given)
Oh really? You don't remember any history where science is used as an excuse to kill millions? Wow, I think that is called Eugenics and Hitler who loved it! Seems he used science all the time to justify getting rid of the less evolved peoples. Now, I know you all will say he was a Christian, and to that I will say, he was just another of the godless masses who will use any excuse to dominate mankind.
Lot's of men have used the guise of religion to control the people, and I am sure there are some deluded idiots who actually think they are doing God's work and some of them also claim Lucifer is God and so, which God is it they are really serving?
Please don't pull out the holier than thou "I'm a scientist" card. I do believe we can pull up all kinds of Godless people in history who killed millions in the name of science or used scientific reasoning to do what they did, hmmm Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao come to mind, I'm sure we can find some more.
it is wrong to tell people to be against religion.
believing in a certain religion doesn’t mean people don’t oppose imperialism, feudalism and bureaucratic capitalism.
Be careful with those stones you all are throwing in your glass houses!
Gravity has been observed in real time. Evolution suggests events that may have taken place under circumstances that are assumed to be present at that time long ago. Evolution, that is, change of one kind into a complete and new form, or another present kind has never been observed.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Blarneystoner
Other religions have their unique creation mythologies as well, should we also teach those in public schools?
We do. There's a certain point at which almost every class delves into religion, because religion is a huge part of literature and art and war and exploration and history. Just because you're afraid of your kids catching the god bug, doesn't mean their education should suffer for it. If anything, you should let them learn everything they can so that they can at least make an informed decision in the matter.
Otherwise, you're just as bad as the Christian parents who refuse to let their kids learn anything other than Christian stuff.
No we don't... Public schools don't teach religious mythology as alternative scientific theory. Literary works are presented as fiction, not fact. Greek and Roman mythologies are not presented as religions, you should know that. What creationists want is to have creation theory presented as alternative to evolution. Try getting a degree in science with an educational foundation of creationist theory, it can't be done.
Other religions have their unique creation mythologies as well, should we also teach those in public schools?
We do. There's a certain point at which almost every class delves into religion, because religion is a huge part of literature and art and war and exploration and history.
You presume too much about me. I have no children and I'm not afraid of anything. However, I do believe it's every parents right to decide what their children are exposed to. I've studied Theology, I understand that it's important to gain an understanding of differing religious views but I don't think it's right to force feed anyone. It's not your decision and if you think it is, you're just as bad as those idots who proselytize.
You have some strange ideas about things...
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Blarneystoner
I think it best to inform our children as much as we are absolutely able. Otherwise, their ignorance is our fault.
You have some strange ideas about things...
Thank you, I'm sure Einstein and Edison and Tesla were all told the same thing.
There's a difference between being informed and brainwashed... do I really need to explain it to you? And again... you're completely ignoring the parents right to decide. Who made you the decider?
Oh that's cute... aren't you clever.... The difference being that those guys were genius.... Hitler had some strange ideas as well...
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Blarneystoner
Of course there's a difference. I'm not talking about teachers putting a plot tree of the Egyptian gods on an overhead and saying, "These are the gods of our world." I'm talking about them putting that plot tree on the overhead and saying, "These are the gods that the Egyptians recognized and worshipped. As you can see, many of these gods bear a startling resemblance to the gods of these other cultures, though they were separated by vast bodies of water. It is suggested by scientists that they are connected so and so as evidenced by these discoveries in the year yada yada by explorers Herp and Derp. If you'll look closely at these artifacts..."
That's called "informing". Are we clear now? Oh, and here's what happens when parents are given complete control of education
What you are talking about is the polar opposite - children won't know the first thing about religion and will therefore be critically stunted when it comes to making an informed decision, particularly when confronted with that spiritual aspect of society. If you feel it is your right to cripple your child's education in such a manner, then perhaps it is your right to not have any children as well. Part of denying ignorance is not breeding it - literally.
Hitler was also a genius. A terrible, misguided genius, but still a genius. Had he applied his skills in a more positive manner, he might have been the Martin Luther King of Europe...or something similar. Point being, he had everything he needed to be a great man, a powerful and inspirational champion of the people. He just chose to be a war-mongering tyrant instead.
But we're not talking about historical religions are we? The study of conventional religions is called Theology. What you're talking about is Comparative Mythology and there is a huge difference.... I would expect a genius like yourself would know that.
You're starting to piss me off. The inuendo in your response is not lost on me but it only serves to make you look like an ass.
It's everyone's right to raise their children as they see fit with regards to religious beliefs. I have no problem offering Theology classes in public schools for those who wish to take it but if someone doesn't want their children exposed to modern religious dogma, it's certainly their right. Do you deny that? If you do, you're no better than those who legislate morality.
I'm beginning to see the kind of person you are... the picture is more clear now. I don't like you.
If you feel it is your right to cripple your child's education in such a manner, then perhaps it is your right to not have any children as well. Part of denying ignorance is not breeding it - literally.
Oh, and I deleted that back-stabbing manipulative comment you left on my profile. You know, because you were apparently too chicken to post it here where I could respond to you directly. Don't try a maneuver like that again.
Prove to me theres a god and im going wow cool i was wrong but the problem is religions attack science and ignore evidence that disputes there claims. See thats a problem if theres no proof god exists great believe what you will we have people who believe all kinds of crazy things. But you cant prove a belief by ignoring reality it doesnt work that way.
You call that reponse respectful?
Honestly... that's a low blow. You have no idea who I am or why I do not have children. Go to hell.
I only quoted what you said.... did you not say those words?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Blarneystoner
You call that reponse respectful?
Honestly... that's a low blow. You have no idea who I am or why I do not have children. Go to hell.
No more disrespectful than any opinions you have given voice to. You seem to adhere to the "two wrongs make a right" philosophy. If my responses cause you such discomfort, I apologize and advise you review your own approaches as well.
I only quoted what you said.... did you not say those words?
You quoted me out of context, then alluded to the missing context in a manner that did not reflect the actual nature of that context. For future reference, if you have a bone to pick with me, pick it where everyone can see it and where I can actually respond to it.
So... let me get this straight... you think that trading jibes is comparable to a deeply personal, intentionally hurtful remark made about my lack of children? And your insinuation that I shouldn't "breed" in order to deny ignorance? You must be young, at least not old enough to know how hurtful that remark was. You obviously have no scruples and will say anything regardless of the consequences. I only hope that you will never know how incredibly painful it is to lose a child.
It's become painfully obvious that you lack the mental capacity to understand the issue being discussed. Your view is that religious beliefs should be taught in public schools so that children are better prepared for life situations which include spiritual aspects. (If I'm paraphrasing that incorrectly then ny all means, correct me)
While, on the surface that may sound like a good idea, it's not. Where do you draw the line? Should we also teach Satanism, Wicca, and other cultish religions as well? Or should we only teach your religious views? You just don't get it and you probably never will because you currently lack the capacity.
As for the childish antics on this thread, you show your viewpoints to be weak when you have to throw out personal insults and accusations against people you have very little personal knowledge of. I might not agree with someone's viewpoints, but I don't like to see them belittled, or hurt, and for that Blarneystoner, I am sorry this has happened on my thread.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity
As for the childish antics on this thread, you show your viewpoints to be weak when you have to throw out personal insults and accusations against people you have very little personal knowledge of. I might not agree with someone's viewpoints, but I don't like to see them belittled, or hurt, and for that Blarneystoner, I am sorry this has happened on my thread.
If you have something to say to me, a private message would be nice. Blarneystoner, the same goes for you. If your comments are related to the topic, then please post them here for open discussion.edit on 5-9-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
I have witnessed plenty of childish antics and schoolyard bully tactics from many members on this thread an others. They seem to run in packs and gang up on others as if having 4 people bombard a thread they don't like proves they are right when in fact it's nothing but a psy-op to shut up the opposition. I see some decent debate on some threads, but threads that have to do with religion, creation, etc seem to attract a certain sort of rude behavior, and if it feels like it fits your posts then it is directed at you, but if you have not been insulting, rude, or childish then you have no reason to be concerned.