Best Countries to Move to?

reply to post by crazyewok


People seem to think that the U.S. can pay off its debt. That is by design impossible, since the only money in the money supply was pulled out of thin air by the Federal Reserve, to theoretically be paid back with interest. But, if that is all the money there is, where does one get the extra money required to pay the interest? If you look up the history, you find that none other than Thomas Jefferson decided that perpetual debt provided a way to regulate the economy and placate the bankers at the same time. This is all very simple and easy to understand, yet it seems beyond comprehension and no one thinks they understand it, because the whole idea is preposterous, which it always was from the beginning. We cannot pay off our debt by design, so stop trying. What we need to do is what President Kennedy tried to do just before he was assassinated, and get rid of the Federal Reserve. But even then, you will have irresponsible politicians and bankers in control.

BTW, I would move to a socialist country whose weather and language suits you. If you like it cool, move to Iceland or Germany, or Canada, if you must speak English. If you like it warm, Ecuador or Venezuela or Bolivia, or maybe the Canary Islands or Bermuda for English.

Originally posted by liejunkie01
Well I am happy as hell.

I just got a free hat from the army guys at the stand in the mall

He even said "heres your tax dollars back".

Why not just move to a better community?

Were you born here?

If you were then you should be ashamed for wanting to run when the going gets tuff. You sound just like everyone else. Definitely not the American spirit.

"What, everything isn't roses and diamonds, f that im bailing"....lol

See ya...just hope the country you move too does'nt collapse...cough cough cyprus...cough...

The whole word is in shambles friend.

edit on 9-8-2013 by liejunkie01 because: (no reason given)

American became the greatest by the smartest from around the world coming here.

and guess why they came... "this place __*___ isn't that great... F this I AM BAILING"

want proof?..

Ellis Island


* England, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, Sweden, France, Spain, Holland, Denmark, etc..

shot down in a blaze o' gloryYep, they all said "F this, I am bailing"... there goes your "AMERICAN SPIRIT"..

Whatever you do, don't for any reason, move to Texas. We're full-up on jobless hacks running away from blue-state problems while dragging their liberal politics and mountains of debt into our great state.

There's the door. ---> France.

For all the people looking to start a new community outside of the cities where they can rebuild socirty, i've just been Image Googling spahn ranch.

Seems that preparing for the fall of modern socirty is nothing new.

I have only one word. Christopher McCandless

reply to post by juspassinthru


Uruguay is a very awesome country to move to. There has been a very high activity of buglary and such, but the country has begun to control the situation and is improving rapidly.

The only thing I'd say about Uruguay is to be ware of such criminal acticity

Northern Canada - The obscure part of Canada : )

Japan - Depending on if you like the culture or not, it's safe, packed, and as long as you don't act like a typical American tourist whose wardrobe is composed of nothing but Hawaiian-themed shirts, you will get along with everyone just fine. The area surrounding Fukushima is not so great, but the Eastern/Northern sections of the country are quaint.

South Korea - Like Japan but more profitable in terms of business that has to do with the net, which is the future. The people are pretty racist/discriminant though : (

Brazil - The wome- err, I mean, the... uhh... beaches? Yeah, yeah the beaches!

ETA - Japan and SoKo are really only the best choices if you actually know the language. It isn't hard to learn though! I'm moving to Kyoto after I finish college, since there are lots of job opportunities there for a programmer.

reply to post by BO XIAN


Agreed. I've lived in Taiwan 11 years Now. If you have a college degree and a pulse, you'll get a job teaching English here that will pay the bills and leave you with some savings. You will have medical insurance, a work visa without much hassle, and after five years, you can apply for a permanent visa. The cost of living is low, the people are friendly, the crime rate is low, and you can have all the comforts of home here.

I been roughly to 130 countries during the last 15 years. 95% of the travel was business, so I didn't see the tourist centers but actual day-to-day living in those countries. I am original from the European Union but moved to the US without hesitation when I got a permanent job offered.

Why? Because if you like it or not, the United States is (still) probably the only country where you have the most personal freedom. No other country in the world can offer that. In most countries you will hit certain borders, and I don't even mean political or law-borders but actual society borders - what you can do and what not - what is acceptable and what not - where you can be and where not (class-wise). The "American Dream" is still very alive even the last 5 years were pretty though and the leadership has turned out to be more against the "American Dream" than for it.

In my opinion:

Times are tough and I hate to see how the Administration tries to convert the US to a European Union and establish communism(light) and I know that people will come to their senses once they "feel" it.

If you still feel that abandoning ship is the right choice, remember to prepare yourself for the "culture shock", you may will realize what the United States really are.

Originally posted by memedoug
Come to Australia mate, you'll be right

Yes, you'll be right. Yeah they give away free RedFoo X Factor glasses ( true ). this country is screwed and circling the drain just like the Devided States of America.

Australia. Don't move to Sydney or Melbourne, though they are lovely cities, I'd suggest Canberra, the capital. It's not too big, it's not overly crowded, and it's fairly close to our two major cities.
Or move to Shoalhaven/Kangaroo valley area. It's less than two hours to major cities, it's right on the coast, and absolutely spectacular.

Cost of living is moderate in Australia, but wage earning is fairly high. We have a stable economy, we have minimal pressure on us from the politicians, Overall, it's a pretty great place to be

reply to post by 13th Zodiac


Everywhere has its problems.... Australia just seems to have less than most. We're not gurgling down that drain, not unless you read whatever rubbish Murdoch's men vomit onto the front page.

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
reply to post by teachtaire

 

You might need to consider if the countries you wish to move to will accept you.
Some may have restrictions.
Some may want certain trades or professions only.

So, do whatever checking is needed....although I'm sure you've already thought about this...

Other considerations: language, climate, natural disasters, insects, disease, vaccinations, medical care, taxes, cost of living, ease of entrance and egress, food, standard of living.

This. The problem you are going to encounter is that, at least for developed nations, countries don't just let people move in permanently at will, especially if you have nothing to offer that country. Most countries that I am familiar with have skilled migrant visas, but these are typically reserved for people who wish to work or have been offered employment in positions that require a minimum of a bachelor's degree. This is certainly true for the US and Australia.

Australia, though a great place to live if you aren't a minority and you didn't try to get here on a boat, is a difficult place to gain permanent entrance into. As well as being hard in terms of eligibility and paperwork requirements, the applications are also expensive. Next year my partner will hopefully be coming here on a working holiday visa before transferring to a student visa to finish his degree. To apply for the working holiday visa, we need to pay $365 for processing and we need to have at least $5000 AUD plus money for a return flight. This is admittedly not much of an inconvenience, but the visa is only for a year and cannot be renewed. Permanent visas, including processing fees and all of the other incidental costs, are close to $4000 just for the application (and that doesn't promise you entry) and eligibility for these visas is strict. Other places will have similar requirements.

What you might be better off doing is staying in the US for now, either where you are or in another state, and gaining in skills and work experience in areas that other countries want. No country wants to let people in who are likely to become a burden to them - you need to show employable skill sets. Temporary visas, which often have caps on how many you can have, are not going to be very helpful to you if you need a permanent solution.

reply to post by luciddream


Wow, Canada sounds AWESOME!! I'm from the Southern part of the USA- born and raised... so to say the least the idea of Winter from November through May, sucks!!! BUT I could deal with it... however I BET when you say "Winter" you mean a REAL freaking cold winter!!! Where I come from, we do not see snow EVER! I've seen it maybe twice in 20 yrs. The coldest I've ever seen was in the LOW teens, and if I'm not mistaken in Canada you can BET you will see below zero temps during winter, correct???

Nevertheless, I am sure there are coats, boots and other garments to make ALL of this tolerable!! Not to mention that instead of MY normal, baseball, swimming, and tennis ... there can be formed a new found love for Snow Boarding, and Skiing!!!

Hopefully this is a transition that anyone could make, even a die hard Southern Girl like ME!!!! To be honest for me personally the FREE healthcare sounds the MOST tempting, I will begin a new job on Sept. 9th, and I seriously need healthcare almost more than the job itself, however after I was informed that the benefits began on DAY 1, YET they were going to be paid in FULL by ME I was taken back! After 6 months....the company would then begin to subsidized the cost!!! What

This means that even though it would only be ME and ME alone that would be covered by the plan, I can still expect to have $200-$300 per WEEK taken from my paycheck. Even though I do not know for certain, I can almost BET that I STILL would not be able to truly use the insurance because of the high deductibles and co- payments as well as the fact that ALL Dr. offices will charge MORE for anything I might need or seek treatment for because I am an "insured".. this is BULLS%($ !!!!!!

I say give ALL AMERICANS "free healthcare" ... just like Canada and so many other countries have done for their citizens

Canada seriously sounds fabulous, but how many Americans can you guys truly take in??????

Originally posted by luciddream
Canada statistics are...
public transportation are great, and clean.

but way overpriced (cheaper to drive), and not very time efficient. you can count on spending HOURS traveling by bus to a place that dosn't even take a half hour to get there by car in many cases. i used to spend 6 hours and more a day to travel back and forth to work while with a car i not only SAVED money, but it only took about a half hour each way. i found the same to be true for most traveling by bus.

"free" health care

provided you can actually FIND a doctor that is accepting patients. and don't mind things like waiting a year or so to get to see a specialist about something. oh and you will STILL NEED INSURANCE since many things are not covered by the "free healthcare", things like dentistry, eye care, chiropractic, physiotherapy, psychologists, etc, and of course any drugs you need.

Not much extremist groups here, but can still find them in small corners away from main cities.

perhaps cities don't have many extremists, but they are getting closer to US cities in regards to things like gangs, violence, drugs, gun crimes, and police abusing their authority.

and don't forget to mention that Canada suffers from harsh gun control laws that make sure that for the most part only the criminals have have guns, and does nothing to stop gun crime.

the politics is very even... about 5 parties and 3 parties get major votes.

Liberals and Conservatives are pretty much the same, slight variation, no one has a "team" here.

and all THREE "main parties" tend to ALL do the same things to varying degrees. so just like the States it becomes a matter of not voting for the "best candidate", but voting for the "lessor evil" and hope they don't get a majority so that they can screw everything up. unlike the US Canada does not vote for the "leader" of the country, (president in US, prime minister in Canada), instead whichever party wins the "most seats" in parliament ends up with that party's leader in control.

lets also not forget that the Canadian government tends to follow the US like little puppies, so if the US puts laws and stuff in place, you can bet that it will happen in Canada next.

housing prices are ridiculously high. you can rent a ROOM in some areas for as little as $600 or so a month.

Austria might be interresting for you too.

Benefits are:
- We consider ourselves being a neutral country. (No warfare)
- Healthcare (Health-insurance?) is payd from taxes, so most services are FREE.
- You have an unemployment insurance. But you need to work for atleast 2 years get 80% of your formerly income for atleast 1/2 year. (If you have worked longer you have more time to get your 80%). After that time you get ~700€ a month. (That's too much to die but less to live).
- If you have a low income you are able to get some grants to reduce your living costs. (appartemnt-rent, heating your flat, ...)
- You get some grants for every child you have. (Yes having children is expensive).
- Austria is quite small.
- We were able to keep compulsory military service alive. I think it is a good idea to have citizens being able to defend themselves and not to relying on others to do it.
- There is a relatively low crime-rate.
- HQ-food.
- Beautiful views, clean lakes (drinking water quality) and rivers, a somewhat intact environment.
- A fight against corruption. This process is WELL CENSORED around the globe!!!
- Being allowed to say what we want to say.

Disadvanteges:
- Being in the middle of the EUdssR. Atleast we have some politicans trying to find a way out.
- high living costs
- corrupt politicans
- public transport could better in some parts of the country.
- having to deal with the german language and its dialects.

If you really want to move to Austria you might want to read this.

Textreply to post by generik


Here is some clarification about Canada.
Nothing is free.
Tax rates in Canada are at the least 26% and climb up to close to 50% for high income individuals.
Almost everything you buy is subject to sales tax. All the rates are different from province to province but average about 15% which is money you have already paid income tax on so it's a double dip.
Fuel is heavily taxed. 20 dollars of gas for your car is taxed about 8 dollars.
Sin tax, although not stated as such, exists. Expect to pay 12$ for cigarettes and 20$ for 12 beers or 10$ for a bottle of wine.
So at the end of the day even a minimum wage earner gets only 50% out of every dollar they make.

The good is that the list is basically endless compared to any other country on the planet.

Funny, all those people who single out European Countries and "FREE HEALTHCARE".

There is not such thing as free healthcare!

Originally posted by flyandi
Funny, all those people who single out European Countries and "FREE HEALTHCARE".

There is not such thing as free healthcare!

Maybe not but theres better healthcare

Best country to move to is

Croatia.

ONLY IF you do not plan to do big business plans. For business, Croatia is not so good.

So Croatia is one the best options because of lots of reasons. Lately, we are part of EU, so now we are bigger market than before (more benefits like cheaper prices).

Croatia is mostly white Christian country. They are peaceful, and they are no racists more than others in the world. For its standard (poor economy) is very highly developed in terms of technology use. People here surf a lot, and from education system they learn a lot more than for example average American. People from here (Serbia and Bosnia also) are "good genetic material" Healthy people, natural food, nature water. It is like modern times but without all that SF bull....s we cant believe when we read newspapers what people are doing. Even gay marriages are now a matter of days here.

Croatia have sooo much islands, and clean sea, and some of the most wonderful worlds beaches. Also, Croatia is small country but it has big see, a lot of woods, lakes, fertile lands, mountains. So in few hours of drive you have the most beautiful things world and nature can offer.

Now the best part.

With American salary, you would live here like a king. Really. Thats big advantage. You can still order things online, if they are hard to find in stores, but we are EU standard now so you can buy here almost as much as in any other EU country.

Now, our lands are so cheap that I think about moving into this business. Imagine to buy like 1 mile *1 mile land and become owner for like.. 8000$? Your own land to do whatever you like. Not like in US, where you rent land and houses.

If you think about renting and living in little city, not to big, well Zadar on sea is one of the best choices. Rent is like 150-300+€ per month.

Not big crime rates. People are much less worried about business. It is like boring country. We have free healthcare and private healthcare. There is literally everything anyone need for normal life. Even if you do not have nothing, you will live out of city and like 30% of houses produce their own food in time after work. Ppl just love that, to be on land, in nature, with dogs or walking through forest, rivers, lakes.. And to grow their own stuff like flowers and food - that is what makes big joy for people who search for slowing down this fast world.

The problem with leaving America is that immigration is rather tight in most Western nations and worldwide, close to none let you open carry as you can here. American might be going down the drain, and quick, but you still have respected rights here that aren't gone (yet) that you can't find in most nations.