Custodians of the Plan to Kill all Who Won't Evolve

reply to post by AthiestJesus

The new world order has nothing at all to do with Christianity or attacking it ....

Prove it.

And as I pointed out earlier in this thread.
You keep resorting to insults and ridicule at of hate.
Besides the fact that your pub pro page makes you look like
a religious fanatic who's main focus has become this thread
and morphed into a full on obsession.
Hate is product of fear. You're obviously afraid. And you
prove it more with each post. I've never seen any thing like you.
Go back to being Reasonable will ya ?

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by AthiestJesus

 

The new world order has nothing at all to do with Christianity or attacking it ....

Prove it.

And as I pointed out earlier in this thread.
You keep resorting to insults and ridicule at of hate.
Besides the fact that your pub pro page makes you look like
a religious fanatic who's main focus has become this thread
and morphed into a full on obsession.
Hate is product of fear. You're obviously afraid. And you
prove it more with each post. I've never seen any thing like you.
Go back to being Reasonable will ya ?

edit on 1-8-2013 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

What am I afraid of ? you ? your religion ? your people ? your opinion ? or your imaginary gods and fairies ?

You yourself have actually been the most offensive out of everyone in this thread , quite an achievement I must add , yet you constantly deny any wrong doing when your writings are in here for anyone to see.

Religious fanatic ... again ... I am an atheist , if you believe that is a religion then it shows the level of "help" you require .

If you , and your friends here , could take your heads out of your collective asses for a second and use google .... within a couple of minutes you would see that Christianity is not being targeted .

This thread is riddled with ignorance and self righteousness .

reply to post by AthiestJesus


You are Reasonable.
No wonder. New PC huh ?

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by AthiestJesus

 

You are Reasonable.
No wonder. New PC huh ?

edit on 1-8-2013 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

I don't understand , most of all I don't understand why anyone would give you a star for that post , shows the siege mentality .

reply to post by AthiestJesus


I realize you don't understand. Your hate gives you away every time.

On topic you can't simply deny all the indicators and claim it isn't proof.
If you need something tangible use that printer you have sit'n there.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
You are simply trying to stir up more turmoil and distract from the thread. You really are not keeping in the spirit of the sites ideals to have open discussions.

I've reviewed this thread, and while there has been some overly pointed exchanges, the entire purpose of AboveTopSecret.com and our motto of Deny Ignorance is to make possible spirited debate and to challenge the ideas presented here by thread starters. Just because you don't like the ideology (or lack thereof) of those who challenge the proposal in your opening post, does not automatically mean it qualifies or trollery, thread drift, or thread derailment.

If you were to use that as a metric, then there are dozens (if not more) of threads I've soundly derailed by pointing out the absurdities of poorly concocted conspiracy theories. And therein lies the point, if we want to be those who expose conspiracies and submit outrageously alternative narratives on current events; then we must not just tolerate but encourage heated debate as the process we use to refine our concepts and our words to harden them against future criticism.


And for atheists (me being one) who resort to rote criticism of various ideologies (myths, brainwashed, etc.) that's simply being lazy and you do a disservice to atheists with brains. There are thousands of better ways to engage in theological debate without resorting to /r/atheism knee-jerk memes for the LOLz.


Let's clean things up, and accept that in this venue, our ideas will be challenged.


Okay?


Temporarily closing thread for this to sink in.

Originally posted by AthiestJesus
reply to post by undo

 

No. Athiests follow nobody , reading a book - and - devoting your life to a book are very , very different.

I have no belief system - i do not look up to anyone , i dont even fully believe in science - or space for that matter ..... but painting us all with the same brush as stalin is exactly how your ignorant , vicious kind operates.

Christianity is the single , most dangerous religion on this planet as it has been propped up with propaganda - defends its self with accusations - and fails to accept any kind of logical thinking.

Were not really "Athiests" at all ..... just humans who are not mentally weak ...... athiest is a tag you use to brand us and keep everything " organised " .

Religion is a mental illness preventing us from progressing.

You don't believe in science or even Space .....that is the very definition of ignorance through lack of education.

What were you saying about mental weakness?

After reading that, I don't really expect you to know this, but there are many books on evolution where people learn that way of faith, then devote their lives to it.

How do you think mankind harnessed the power of the atom and made nuclear bombs, by imagining things into existence? What is your replacement for Science to explain? What is your stance on mathematics, does 2 + 2 equal anything you want?

Originally posted by Openeye

Please.

Tell that to the communist schools in China that score much higher in education than we do.

You presume they want dumb people in china who can't do math, read well, and such things like science. They purposefully do not want American students to excel and they want us utterly dependent on the government. Successful people don't need government handouts.

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As I said earlier in the thread , you need to remove the wool from your eyes.

If you had read the post you quoted , properly , you would have realised that the word * fully *is in there.

Of course I accept science , I do not fully believe in it , I`m not sold on space since their is no way of me verifying the information we receive from the likes of NASA , lets not forget - the world was flat not so long ago .

Put on your reading glasses, grab a sandwich and pull up a chair, this is gonna require you to read and do so, carefully.

this is my evidence that, 1) the information regarding the validity of christianity, is not only in the bible but in other ancient texts as well, and those ancient texts are exceedingly revealing, 2) this information was incorrectly translated in esoterica by people like alice bailey and helena blavatsky which resulted in 3) the wrong application of the concept of lucifer but not for the reasons anybody thinks. it's a double entredre. you will see why shortly.

this, i sincerely believe, is the advantage the rcc has over all the other religions and esoteric doctrines -- they tinkered with the texts, as did the synagogue of "satan" before them, to such a degree, that they actually have people convinced that the good guy is the bad guy in the old testament and the bad guy is the good guy, and that the good guy in the new testament was the bad guy in the old testament. Esoterica makes the mistake of identifying who they think is the good guy as satan and who they think is the bad guy, as god. Their premise was wrong from the outset. allow me to explain, because this is not your normal esoteric doctrine

before we proceed, the following words must be correctly read

adam is a plural word
elohim is a plural word
jehovah is from the root, hayah.(pronounced A-yah)
satan means accuser
serpent is several things, including the name of a race of angels known as the seraphim (this is very important, so file it under IMPORTANT REMEMBER) and is later used as a word to describe both dna and a particular type of specialist of dna, a geneticist, if you will, a creator of life. another word for it is sorcerer, because at the time, medicine was considered sorcery - not simply in the application of medicine for healing but also because it was mis-used during rituals, later on. the misuse of it, earned it a negative connotation as a whole. so medicine of any kind became evil and anyone associated with medicine became a sorcerer, a serpent. this is where the information on Enki, the creator of humans, gets completely screwed up and where the text of genesis on the subject, resorts to symbolism and negative connotations for the wrong guy.

according to sumerian texts, there was a trinity of gods with lesser gods as their divine council.
the trinity was

Enlil - Lord of the Command, Owner of the Earth, Decreed the flood, doesn't like humans on HIS planet, etc

Enki - Lord Creator of humans, Savior of the Noah figure during the flood event, etc

Anu - The Heavenly Father of Enlil and Enki - he rarely interacted with humans

The interactions of these three entities with humans, centers around a sort of court room drama, in which Enlil plays the role of the prosecuting attorney (the accuser) of humans, and Enki plays the role of the defense attorney (the savior) of humans and Anu plays the role of the judge of humans

before we go further, it helps to know the etymology of the name Enlil:

Enlil breaks down thusly -- LIL, IL, ILU, ILA, ILIM, EL, AL. his name became the generic god word for mesopotamia. for example, BabEL was also known as BabIL, and BabILU. EL is the singular form of Elohim. Sometimes the word was at the beginning of a word, such as ELohim and sometimes at the end of a word, such as NephILIM, This is where all the word trouble starts and gets so many people confused.

And here's the BIG boo-boo, the key piece to all of this: ENLIL did not create humans, even though in the old testament you are lead to believe that he did, particularly when you view the way in which the text is translated. Those translators were NAUGHTY. In fact, the text says adam (plural) were created male and female in the image of elohim (plural gods). The translators deliberately translated the word adam there, to be man. The reason that is a problem is because it keeps you from connecting the dots that there were female adam before there was eve. eve was a female adam that had been modified to procreate, thus why the adam called the new procreative female adam , eve, which meant mother.

and this is where the entire fall narrative begins, the fall of man, as it were. according to the sumerian texts, enki basically cloned the humans from his own dna and the dna of several other elohim dna. the other elohim in this event, were all females. the sumerian texts refer to them as birth goddesses.

i suppose it would be a good idea here, to back track a bit and fill you in on the sumerian version of the story (which by the way, predated the torah and talmud, as these books were written during babylon. sumer predated babylon by at least 200 years). according the sumerian texts, the earth was a wreck. it had undergone some cataclysm. all its civilization and infrastructure was decimated. and it fell upon the lesser gods, called the anunna, to rebuild.

next post.

continued from my previous post

the anunna (the lesser gods) grew tired of rebuilding, it says, as they had to mine for the resources and rebuild the infrastructure. they went on strike and refused to rebuild until replacements could be had so they could rest -- have a vacation. the information of this event got to the ears of ENLIL, who was in "charge" of the Earth. He was an environmentalist, which will show up later in the story in a very big way. He sent a message to Enki, the life creator, the doctor of genetics, that they had a worker problem and he needed to find a solution. At the time, Enki was not on the planet. This shows up in his later decision to give the adam procreation.

Anyway, Enki decided to create replacement workers for the anunna. And thus the Adapa was created. The Adapa is the adam. However, they were clones and these clones didn't multiply via procreation, they multiplied via cloning. the adam were eternal beings, carrying the dna of the gods in their bodies. Every part was self-repairing and regenerative.

However, Enki decided to give the adam procreation so that the project could be self-perpetuating. He wouldn't have to remain on planet and be constantly cloning new adam. He spliced in some procreative mammal dna. This allowed the adam to recreate themselves, which conceptually, was akin to being like the gods, creating new copies of themselves *(having children), which the text of genesis mentions. How you might ask? The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, was not about intellectual knowledge, it was about sex. "Knowing" or "knowledge" was to have sex-- "Adam knew his wife and she gave birth" To have knowledge was to have sex. It was never about some enlightenment gifted to humans by satan or lucifer. It was a very mundane act, that every mammal on the planet also did -- the wild thang. Go forth, be fruitful and multiply. Well, that is, until Enlil got wind of it.

Enlil, when he realized that the human population, now recreating themselves, could over populate his planet in a hurry, took the matter before the divine council and the heavenly court as it were. He demanded that the adam's life span be changed, because procreating eternal workers, would ruin his planet and overflow its bounds. The court decided this was a reasonable complaint and instructed Enki to make another modification to the adam genome -- remove the "legs" of the dna. (the legs of the serpent) that allowed for eternal regeneration. In essence, the dna of the adam race, for eternal replicating parts, no longer unzipped or had been completely removed.

That is the fall narrative. Now it could be argued that this proves Enki did so maliciously, knowing full well that Enlil would call for the nerf, and I would be hard pressed to argue that point if it weren't for the fact, as the creator of humans, (hint: we weren't human before the procreative addition) he was continually defending us from Enlil, who decided the entire species of homo sapiens needed to be eradicated.

So what this appears to mean is that Enlil, who people think is jehovah in biblical texts, is really not jehovah in the jesus sense (defender) but jehovah in the accuser sense (prosecuting attorney). Enlil is the bad guy, literally. He is Satan. Satan is the accuser, the prosecuting attorney. The guy who gave us knowing, Enki, is not the bad guy, Satan, he's Jesus -- our defense attorney.

And guess how you can recognize Enlil's flock? The Crescent Moon and Star. The descendants of Sin, the moon god. The Vatican has been masquerading as Enki-ites when they are Enlil-ites. At least, as far as I can tell from my research.

So in their efforts to worship Satan, the occultists are worshipping the very guy they hate in the old testament. Go figure. Like i said, it's a double entrede.

reply to post by undo


If The Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil was eaten by the humans, and this was only about sex, why is that that animals have sex if they never took part in the eating of this "fruit of knowledge"?

In response to the original thread, I DO believe this is just a way to get people into dualistic thinking. If New Age is "evil" and "illuminati" and "worship Lucifer" that must AUTOMATICALLY meant that "Christianity" is the truth. Um, no it doesn't. That is simplistic thinking... because "one" is bad they assume the "other" is good. A fallacy of thinking...

Undo- You make some very strong points. I am really fascinated by your insights, and would love to discuss more about this. I am seeking the truth, It's been a long, painful struggle so far. Lot've good moments in between, but it's depressing feeling so torn between my allegiance to Christianity ( due to upbringing, fear or spending eternity in a place called Hell, and being moved by the graceful loving sacrifice of Jesus Christ), and torn between this unsettled feeling with all of it. I always felt like the bible was divine, but was holding something crucial back from the people, or was tampered with etc..
I'm torn because ever since I watched this documentary called "The Age of Deceit" on you tube, I became horribly conflicted inside. The Age of Deceit" goes on to show how Esoteric knowledge, is actually literally no different from the trick the serpent played on humanity in the garden of eden right from the beginning. "You shall be like God, knowing good from evil, if you eat the fruit" I want to believe it's not that black and white, and part of me truly believes in the story surrounding the Annunaki, but this documentary is compelling beyond belief. It goes on to expose the Theosophy society, tracing it back to the mystery schools that they claim took place all the way back to Atlantis. They show how it's all connected to the New age movement, and how the New World Order is coming into motion, while many will be deceived by theosophy, "esoteric knowledge etc.. The biggest thing that has me divided is I agree, there is something a bit off with the "Yahweh" character of the old testament , It always felt like a huge disconnect when Preachers would tell me that the loving jesus of the new testament is the 3 in 1.. he is Yahweh. But their behaviours seem to contradict that.
For example, How Can Yahweh advocate an "eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth", and Jesus deliberately go against that philosophy preaching love and forgiveness of your enemies. I won[t even go into the obvious barbaric stories, of Yahweh allowing slaves, rape, genocide etc... While Jesus won't even allow Mary to be stoned to death for adultery in the new testament stories.
All this being said, I really need to pick your brain, because you sound so knowledgeable on this. Im truly in a deep depression from taking in so much information followed by conflicting information that debunk initial information over and over again. It seems like there are so few people, stories you can trust anymore.
Let me ask you this. What is your take on biblical prophecy? Don't you find it eery, that the New World Order, Agenda 21- a one world government forming , and the New age movements desire for a one world leader- Matreya suspicious? I've heard people say the bible was written by Zionists, who are just fulfilling the prophecy deliberately and this is why Israel is God's chosen nation ( convenient) but even this theory has serious holes, because humanity is not that powerful. Not even the Illuminati with all their monopolies on the world and power, could manipulate ancient prophecies to perfection. What do you think?

reply to post by arpgme

If The Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil was eaten by the humans, and this was only about sex, why is that that animals have sex if they never took part in the eating of this "fruit of knowledge"?

In response to the original thread, I DO believe this is just a way to get people into dualistic thinking. If New Age is "evil" and "illuminati" and "worship Lucifer" that must AUTOMATICALLY meant that "Christianity" is the truth. Um, no it doesn't. That is simplistic thinking... because "one" is bad they assume the "other" is good. A fallacy of thinking...

The illuminati is in bed with Christianity. Christianity is Satanism practiced with a sunny smile.
Sex is Satanic, it is raw impulses with no logic. Anytime someone has sex they practice Satanism.

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by undo

 

If The Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil was eaten by the humans, and this was only about sex, why is that that animals have sex if they never took part in the eating of this "fruit of knowledge"?

In response to the original thread, I DO believe this is just a way to get people into dualistic thinking. If New Age is "evil" and "illuminati" and "worship Lucifer" that must AUTOMATICALLY meant that "Christianity" is the truth. Um, no it doesn't. That is simplistic thinking... because "one" is bad they assume the "other" is good. A fallacy of thinking...

It was never about intellectual or spiritual knowledge in the way the text suggests. Knowledge was always about sex at the time. The adam went from being a cloned species without procreation, to being part mammal and procreative. It's my theory that humans were originally a totally different species -- not homo sapiens and it wasn't until the mammalian procreation was added, that we became homo sapiens. It really doesn't have any bearing on the subject that animals were procreating before that. The subject is the adam not the rest of the creation.

Originally posted by freedom7

Let me ask you this. What is your take on biblical prophecy? Don't you find it eery, that the New World Order, Agenda 21- a one world government forming , and the New age movements desire for a one world leader- Matreya suspicious? I've heard people say the bible was written by Zionists, who are just fulfilling the prophecy deliberately and this is why Israel is God's chosen nation ( convenient) but even this theory has serious holes, because humanity is not that powerful. Not even the Illuminati with all their monopolies on the world and power, could manipulate ancient prophecies to perfection. What do you think?

first, it seems logical to look at it thru the lens jesus provides -- love your neighbor as yourself. your neighbor is not you. your neighbor is not your kin. your neighbor is not your fellow religionists. your neighbor is anybody other than you, and you should thus, love them as if they were you. this essentially means if they ask me to kill someone else for jesus, i'm gonna raise one eyebrow and say, "not gonna happen." and it also means if someone else wants to kill me, you or anyone else, including people i may disagree with, it would be immediately obvious, that they are working the Enlil paradigm, which basically hates, not loves, human beings. if you hate your fellow human being you're in error. if you want to kill your fellow human being, you're in error. if you claim your fellow human being isn't a human being or isn't worthy of life, you're in error. pretty simple.

if i understand all this correctly, enki's sending another ark to rescue humans again. christians call it the rapture. this is the problem. remember how it says satan took jesus up into a high mountain and showed him the earth and told him he could have it all if he would just pledge an oath of fealty to him/ kneel down and worship him? and who does the sumerian texts claim is the owner of this planet? Enlil. Enlil is pictured there, trying to convince Enki to give it up. This is a very old fight.

He apparently knew that Enki was about to inherit the place as a result of some heavenly legality, which i know nothing about, so can't really discuss. But he was basically aware that if Enki continued on the path he was on, Enlil would eventually lose control of the planet as Enki would've fulfilled the criteria, probably demanded by Enlil in the first place.

As far as prophecy and jesus killing people, i'm not proponent of that idea. I don't think he kills people.

Interesting points. If you don't mind me asking, what speakers, researchers do you listen to the most? Are a lot of these beliefs inherent within you? Have you always gravitated towards them, was it an epiphany moment in your life? etc...
What I was hinting at when it came to Biblical prophecy was the Book of Revelation and how it talks a lot about how in the "End Times" There will be tension unlike ever before, a one world currency, one world religion/leader, where everyone will have to take the "Mark of the Beast - 666. It's scary when you look around the world, and you hear about "Obamacare" and the plan for the RFID chip, the rising tensions between Russia/ China and the United States. With the Syrian crisis potentially vaulting us into WW3. It just seems like the stage is being set for something horrible to happen, but I want to believe it can be good

Originally posted by freedom7
Interesting points. If you don't mind me asking, what speakers, researchers do you listen to the most? Are a lot of these beliefs inherent within you? Have you always gravitated towards them, was it an epiphany moment in your life? etc...
What I was hinting at when it came to Biblical prophecy was the Book of Revelation and how it talks a lot about how in the "End Times" There will be tension unlike ever before, a one world currency, one world religion/leader, where everyone will have to take the "Mark of the Beast - 666. It's scary when you look around the world, and you hear about "Obamacare" and the plan for the RFID chip, the rising tensions between Russia/ China and the United States. With the Syrian crisis potentially vaulting us into WW3. It just seems like the stage is being set for something horrible to happen, but I want to believe it can be good

on that, i don't know. if the rapture is a necessity, it maybe that the thing hasn't played itself out fully. i keep wondering that if jesus is now the owner of the planet, why are enlil's minions growing by leaps and bounds, but then i recall that jesus is not authoritative, he gives people a choice. and if they choose enlil, he's not going to stop them or force them to follow a different path. i can't give you any more comfort than that, as the entire concept appears to have so many contradictions in it, per square inch, that the only fall back position i can claim for myself is the hope that the rapture is true, and that anybody who wants to get off this rock before it completely melts down, needs only ask.

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Great reply on Enki, Enlil, and Anu. Makes better sense than I've seen before.

Originally posted by MuzzleBreak
reply to post by undo

 

Great reply on Enki, Enlil, and Anu. Makes better sense than I've seen before.

thanks. i may be totally wrong but the more i study these subjects, the more right it seems. there are so many pieces to the puzzle, that you really do have to study hard to detangle them from the ancient histories. i mean, look at jesus' teachings and then ponder some of the other information in the bible. you just have to scratch your head. people have to jump thru some pretty unbelievable hoops to get the thing to make any sense at all, and even then it contradicts itself. so i just latched onto what i felt in my heart to be right - that hate sucks, killing and murder sucks, forcing people to believe something, sucks, etc, and therefore, if i can know this in my heart, and it jives with what jesus taught, then soimething was seriously wrong in the old testament and the prophecies. like, big time wrong.