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Originally posted by firemonkey
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by firemonkey
Here is what kind of cracks me up.
You are preaching to people like me...people who don't think America is going down in flames, people who don't think the government is taking away our rights (because they're not, tell me one right I no longer have), people who don't think Obama is the antichrist. And you are preaching to us to wake up, or something, and to do something about it.
And yet, people like you, you claim to have your eyes open and "know" all these things you are saying are true...and yet you are doing exactly nothing about it.
So how are you going to preach to me to do something about this when I think it is a bunch of bullocks while even the people who think all these things are true sit on their hands and do nothing?
You asked for "one right" you no longer have, I'll start there. You no longer have the expectation of the 4th amendment. It has been violated on record as a matter of public fact. That's, just to start with.
I haven't been unwarranted searched or seized.
Now if you are talking about Prism, that really has nothing to do with me. My phone records, my emails, my internet activity...I don't own those things...the companies that provide the service to me own them. If those companies make agreements with the government to share THEIR data....I have no say in that when I voluntarily use their services.
The problem is that people don't understand what the government is doing with Prism...and their anger is directed at the government when it should be directed towards the companies that are handing their data over to them. I'm not angry at all...I know everything I put on the internet is not mine...not even this post...after I hit submit, this post is legally ATS's property...not mine.
My basic premise still applies. It is YOU who thinks they have lost their 4th amendment right, I don't believe I have. So why preach to ME to do something about it when it is you who believes it and sits there and does nothing???edit on 11-7-2013 by firemonkey because: (no reason given)
And yet, people like you, you claim to have your eyes open and "know" all these things you are saying are true...and yet you are doing exactly nothing about it. So how are you going to preach to me to do something about this when I think it is a bunch of bullocks while even the people who think all these things are true sit on their hands and do nothing?
I haven't been unwarranted searched or seized.
Now if you are talking about Prism, that really has nothing to do with me. My phone records, my emails, my internet activity...I don't own those things...the companies that provide the service to me own them. If those companies make agreements with the government to share THEIR data....I have no say in that when I voluntarily use their services. The problem is that people don't understand what the government is doing with Prism...and their anger is directed at the government when it should be directed towards the companies that are handing their data over to them. I'm not angry at all...I know everything I put on the internet is not mine...not even this post...after I hit submit, this post is legally ATS's property...not mine.
My basic premise still applies. It is YOU who thinks they have lost their 4th amendment right, I don't believe I have. So why preach to ME to do something about it when it is you who believes it and sits there and does nothing???
Originally posted by Ex_CT2
Originally posted by Carreau
Someone has to be first in the stack, first through the door. Until that person leads the charge nothing will happen. So far no one has.
The very thing I've been waiting to happen for a long time. Sooner or later, just the right person is gonna take it up the butt just one goddamn time too many, and it'll be on....
Originally posted by beezzer
Sadly, I think it's too late.
There is such a war on success, on individuality, personal responsibility.
There is a creeping apathy, a movement towards nanny-ism where people will gladly sacrifice their freedoms for free cable and government food vouchers.
What is more important?
Taking responsibility for you, your family, your success (or failure)?
Or free cable and free food and free housing and free phones?
Somewhere along the way, many people made a deal with the devil (metaphorically speaking) and signed away their soul (freedom) for some "free" stuff.
Originally posted by evictiongnostic
reply to post by Helious
We provide aid to Egypt as a whole, not to the Muslim Brotherhood. I don't know if you noticed but they just got thrown out of office by their military which we give millions in aid to every year.
I'm really getting sick of this site. So many ignorant opinions and diatribes from people who are undoubtedly doing little in life to make real change, from a system that can work. You focus on stupid trumped up fantasies and ignore the real problems that can be fixed with real means.
That and you all use those stupid emoticons all the time. I just can't take you people seriously. It makes you look and sound like children. I have a strong desire for a real adult site that discusses actual problems with black government projects and conspiracies, but all I can find on the web are children with silly fantasies.
It's people like you that make me feel like maybe all the conspiracy stuff is just crazy nonsense.
Originally posted by oldetimehockey4
A question though: if big banks and big corporations are becoming our government and basically dictate law, where does that put Obama? Is he just the face of the nation? What exactly does he control if it's all under the big banks/corporations?
We supply military aid, equipment and funding to the tunes of billions of dollars a year to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, a known and dangerous terrorist organization, the same people our government is raping our rights to "protect" us from.
Military aid — which comes through a funding stream known as Foreign Military Financing — has held steady at about $1.3 billion since 1987. Economic aid, on the other hand, has fallen by more than two-thirds since 1998.
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by Helious
We supply military aid, equipment and funding to the tunes of billions of dollars a year to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, a known and dangerous terrorist organization, the same people our government is raping our rights to "protect" us from.
While I agree with the thrust of your post, there's one little thing ....
The lion's share of the billions sent to Egypt by the US goes to the military, the very same military that has thrown hundreds of MB in jail without charges, including their duly elected president. Very little aid gets to the government.
Military aid — which comes through a funding stream known as Foreign Military Financing — has held steady at about $1.3 billion since 1987. Economic aid, on the other hand, has fallen by more than two-thirds since 1998.
www.propublica.org...
You should probably get your facts straight. Up until the military coup in Egypt, the civilian government (The muslim brotherhood) controlled military forces in Egypt. That is where the BILLIONS not millions was given, in military aid, along with state of art fighter jets. The money we sent during that time was not sent too a general of the army, it was sent and appropriated by said civilian government.