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Originally posted by stutteringp0et
reply to post by firemonkey
Originally posted by firemonkey
tell me one right I no longer have
Let's just go down the bill of rights - one by one
2nd: Please, this is under constant attack. Do I really need to provide a link?
3rd: Not yet
4th: One word - PRISM
5th: Supreme Court says Silence = Guilt
8th: "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." - When has the government not required excessive bail, imposed excessive fines, nor inflicted cruel or unusual punishments?
9th: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." - HAH, the Government believes that the only rights we have are those they allow us to have...
10th: We fought a civil war over this - and lost it.
Oh, you only wanted me to name one right you no longer have... Sorry, I had 9...but I'm sure they're working on a way to violate the 3rd.
edit on 11-7-2013 by stutteringp0et because: fix formatting
Originally posted by frazzle
I do believe in secession because we have no standing to change any existing laws. That's the way they set it up when in fact the united states is nothing but a huge conglomerate of very different people sewn together like a patchwork quilt, the only thing binding them together being federal legislative stitches that clash, sometimes violently, with the fabric that is us. The seams bind too tightly and there is no give.
We are not the United States of America and we never were, we are living in the contiguous states of pros and cons. So why go on pretending otherwise?
The difference between special interests groups and freedom loving types is that special interests are bonded by mutual accord which gives them tensile strength, while freedom lovers will happily allow others to live according to their special interests even though they would choose not to be sewn next to them in the quilt. They are given no choice. Being united means there is no escaping the stitches that bind unsightly plaids and stripes together short of ripping out some seams and making a new quilt.
We the people, taken as a whole, have no common interests, we have no shared devotion to specific principles, we have learned to expect nothing from anyone and they seldom disappoint. But most of all, we expect nothing from ourselves except to get from one day to the next while avoiding a personal catastrophe. Its hard to explain why I think that is and the quilt thing is probably a bad analogy, but while we are joined together by outside forces, we are separated by laws and ordinances that prevent us from designing and making our own quilt.
Originally posted by iamusic
I don't really recall asking for an explanation or reason for secession, but I can definitely understand where you're coming from.
The main point of my post was that if the 100 thousand Americans(you included?), who signed the secession petition, did not immediately storm the streets in protests after being quickly written off than I don't think we can expect to see any kind of real change in the future.
Obviously everyone here can see that America is slowly weakening, and deteriorating. I don't know if its an age issue or what, but I've noticed this trend for at least a couple of years. The main reason why I don't believe in secession is that the very notion almost always seems so culturally bias, and racially separatistic. Even your post seems to suggest that as well with your very understandable patchwork quilt analogy which just seems to explain segregation.
Regardless of how I feel about Secession I do find it absolutely odd that there was no congressional hearing or anything in regards to the petition. In my mind I thought if we were truly supposedly this free, democratic country that is influenced by the people than wouldn't congress at least hold a hearing or debate perhaps? It might have been unpatriotic, however I think it would have at least made sense and showed some kind of empathy to a group that may feel marginalized.
On the other hand, I thought WTH is wrong with these people to expect a country to just willing give up land? Like where does that happen? I can get past the racist undertones, because I live in Texas and secession is a topic that comes up every 10 years and fails. The main difference here is that there was actually a huge amount of support for this proposal.
And the kicker is this if it was really such a big deal to secessionists than why didn't they protest and march?
Each day I view various issues and events that happen in America and people love to take to the internet and express their outrage, and rant and rave in the comment section. However nothing ever seems to change. Its all fun internet fodder, but nothing more. Personally, I dislike some things about America, but I don't feel like any of it will ever change so I suck it up and focus on the things I do like. I think that's what everyone does. They drown themselves in social media, and entertainment and laugh at sucky creations like 'Sharknado' and go about living their life.
Just out of curiosity did you sign the petition, and if you did what did you do when it was completely and utterly ignored?
"We the people are the rightful masters of both the Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
Originally posted by oldetimehockey4
I'd like to hear some of your opinions on what our military would do in the event of a revolution.