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If you want to call an uploaded mind not human, feel free to do so (altrough stop claiming that it somehow invalidates transhumanism, since transhumanists explicitly acknowledge it in the word itself). If you want to call it not sentient or not a person, thats where I concur.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by Phoenix267
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What is truth? I guess we have to ask how do you interpret what the word "truth" means. In a way I like to use truth in using science to understand reality. Hopefully this is a good answer.
Reality is truth. But do you need someone to spin a story about it?
Science takes reality apart to see how it works. Take a car apart and see if it works - nothing works when it has been taken apart.
Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Because to me science is the best tool in life to understand everything. Like humanity, space, etc.
Originally posted by Phoenix267
No, I don't someone to spin a story about it; I don't know what that means and I agree reality is truth.
Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Well, I guess I'll start my journey in finding who I am. To be honest I don't much about this because I'm not very philosophical or spiritual person. I'm one of those people who just wants to survive in life compared to finding a purpose in life.
Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Reality is 100% true and to me that is the stone cold truth.
What about you? Just curious.
Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by Itisnowagain
To be honest I'm very confused by your replies. I just don't think the same way as you do and I also have never been asked these questions before in my life. There is a lot I need to look up, write down, edit, and then share to express my beliefs. Anyway hopefully we're not derailing the thread. We're talking about is related, but I'm confused. Itisnowagain I'm tired and before bed I'll message you to continue this conversation. I don't want to derail the thread and we can go over anything our hearts desire. You're a fun person to talk to.
I equate personhood with mentality, or sentience.
If you want to call an uploaded mind not human, feel free to do so (altrough stop claiming that it somehow invalidates transhumanism, since transhumanists explicitly acknowledge it in the word itself).
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Claiming someone isn't human because they are missing a few limbs or organs is ridiculous.
You've danced around defining how many organs or pieces a person would need to have removed or replaced before they are no longer human to purposefully protect yourself from criticism.
Obviously we have exited rational discussion into fringe science and you have no intention of doing anything else but being obtuse.
If a mind – something we cannot even define properly, let alone quantify – can be made to manifest itself inside a machine, it will certainly not be a human mind any longer.
I'll tell you what invalidates transhumanism. The project is not science. It is religion. Transferring a human mind out of a human body and into something else – anything else – is not even a remote possibility at the present time – we wouldn't know where to begin – neither could it be thought in any way desirable or necessary. So all this is just an avowal of faith.
It is nothing like as simple as that because, as I have been explaining, human beings are a lot more than their minds, their sentience, whatever you want to call it. There is an entire evolutionary heritage we carry with us, which is an intimate part of what we are, and which cannot be divorced from what we are without making us inhuman. Making us, in fact, machines.
To be in love, to make love, to bear and raise a child: these, too, are critical aspects – some would say the very essence – of humanity.
And so a race of robots, without animal fears, desires, needs, affections or resentments, goes on to do... exactly what?
Even curiosity is an animal instinct.
Love is an emotion, emotions are generated by the brain neural network (mainly the Limbic system), they would be present even in transhumans.
Why do you assume mind uploads would suddenly not have emotions?
What is the point of emotions today?
To compel us to have sex (or other things) so we continue with biological evolution? Thats how they evolved, but thats not necessarily why they have value for us now.
I disagree with... the notion that we (should) value things solely based on their evolutionary advantage (or why evolution "values" them). Why should I base my values on evolution after all?