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Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by Redarguo
How could the military ever be separated from politics when it's politicians who rule the military... well except in this case . Every single military is now and has forever been intertwined with politics.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Muhammad Morsi, steps down, and some other pundit from the MB takes his place. Democracy doesn't work in the ME, they need dictators to keep all those radical muslims in line with the power of fear. The only power those people respect is fear. Even democracy will fail given enough time, corruption will eat it's way into anything made by the hands of men.
The Armed Forces enjoy considerable power and independence within the Egyptian state.[8] They are also influential in business, engaging in road and housing construction, consumer goods, resort management,[8] and vast tracts of real estate. Much military information is not made publicly available, including budget information, the names of the general officers and the military’s size (which is considered a state secret).[8] According to journalist Joshua Hammer, "as much as 40% of the Egyptian economy" is controlled by the Egyptian military.[9]
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by Redarguo
So by not interfering they are upholding democracy?
I understand what you're saying but each case is different. The US service members are allowed to engage in politics, just not in uniform or as a representative for whatever branch they serve, but no matter what, they are ordered to listen to their chain of command which includes the President as being numero uno. That's why I can't image this situation ever happening in the US.
But Egypts military is unlike the UK & the US.
en.wikipedia.org...
The Armed Forces enjoy considerable power and independence within the Egyptian state.[8] They are also influential in business, engaging in road and housing construction, consumer goods, resort management,[8] and vast tracts of real estate. Much military information is not made publicly available, including budget information, the names of the general officers and the military’s size (which is considered a state secret).[8] According to journalist Joshua Hammer, "as much as 40% of the Egyptian economy" is controlled by the Egyptian military.[9]
That first sentence really answers your question. This is how the military can oust any gov't representatives it sees fit. So it's nice to see the military join the protesters but lets not forget who also helps fund and supply that Egyptian military, so.... trouble is always brewin'.
Should the production of pasta, mineral water, butane gas cylinders and gas station services qualify as classified military secrets? And does discussing these enterprises in public pass as a crime of high treason? The leaders of the Egyptian armed forces believe the answer is “yes.”.........
Egypt's interior ministry has issued a statement declaring its "full support" for the armed forces' Monday statement regarding political developments in Egypt.
"The police forces announce their full solidarity with the armed forces' statement out of concern for national security and Egypt's best interests at this critical juncture," read the ministry statement.
The interior ministry reiterated its vow to perform its role of protecting the citizenry and vital institutions, as well as safeguarding protesters' security.
"The police force stands at equal distance from all political powers; it is not biased towards one faction of society at the expense of another," the statement read.
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by Redarguo
Like I said I hear you but you have to take in the whole situation. Ever since Morsi took power, along with his Muslim Brotherhood friends, they've tried to take over Egypt, starting with Sharia law. The protesting in Egypt hasn't stopped since Mubarak was replaced, it's been on going ever since and the majority has always been against the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB can rally some numbers but clearly they are always going to be the minority. So after years and years of protesting this weekends demonstration, being the worlds largest to date, is the straw that broke the military's back. Clearly it's time for them to step in yet again.
Now the problem here is that Washington DC has become cushy friends with the Brotherhood so will they threaten to end foreign aid to Egypt's military? Keep an eye on DC.
The Egyptian gov't wing that represents the military backs their statement.
Multimedia Egypt interior ministry declares support for armed forces' statement
english.ahram.org.eg...
Egypt's interior ministry has issued a statement declaring its "full support" for the armed forces' Monday statement regarding political developments in Egypt.
"The police forces announce their full solidarity with the armed forces' statement out of concern for national security and Egypt's best interests at this critical juncture," read the ministry statement.
The interior ministry reiterated its vow to perform its role of protecting the citizenry and vital institutions, as well as safeguarding protesters' security.
"The police force stands at equal distance from all political powers; it is not biased towards one faction of society at the expense of another," the statement read.edit on 1-7-2013 by Swills because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by Redarguo
Without a doubt I'm sure a thread could be created that focused on the Egyptian military in a negative light. What major corporation couldn't be painted in such a way? I'm sure that military is guilty of a many things.
As far as it being legal? Well, we have 2 days to see what develops. It could turn in a complete legal matter, but it could not. If Morsi refuses what then? I think the military very worried about millions of people angry and in the streets. Mob mentality is a stupid and dangerous mentality so I suspect the miltiary doesn't want to fight the people so they are letting Morsi and his gang know the jig is up and it's time to give these people an answer they are happy with because this is about to blow up.
God help Morsi if he doesn't satisfy the millions of Egyptians!
Originally posted by neo96
I expect Egypt to devolve in to another Syria
it is almost there.
Civil War.
Following Monday's armed forces statement, military spokesman asserts that Egyptian army doctrine does not allow for 'military coups'
Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by Redarguo
Looks promising so far.
Armed forces spokesman: Egypt military doctrine does not permit coups
english.ahram.org.eg...
Following Monday's armed forces statement, military spokesman asserts that Egyptian army doctrine does not allow for 'military coups'