Bill Ayers: Try Obama for War Crimes

What the heck?! This is just confusing? Bill Ayers is no conservative by the longest shot imaginable. It would be like calling Obama himself a life long member of the GOP. In fact, Bill Ayers is credited with being the place where Obama worked out his plans for running to the State Senate in Illinois. In Bill's kitchen, as some accounts have it, and I've not really heard that disputed. That's secondary though to what he says here and I just about froze to hear it.

It's hard to imagine a comparable thing to look at for a supporter or much more than that, really, turning so hard and so decisively upon their own object of support.



Comments? Thoughts? I am just a touch stunned. Matthews on MSNBC was one thing and he tilts like a weather vane to whatever direction his ideology suggests is correct....but Ayers, whatever I think of him or what he did, WAS one of those who did and didn't simply talk. He was a fighter out of the 60's and currently a Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I think nearly every president that we have ever had could be guilty of war crimes. No leader in the western world will ever truly be held accountable for their crimes, hell Henry Kissinger is still a free man and he is arguably guilty of supporting genocide.

In the "City of God," St. Augustine tells the story of a pirate captured by Alexander the Great. The Emperor angrily demanded of him, "How dare you molest the seas?" To which the pirate replied, "How dare you molest the whole world? Because I do it with a small boat, I am called a pirate and a thief. You, with a great navy, molest the world and are called an emperor." - Noam Chomsky

funny how you leave out the part where he says ALL presidents should be tried for war crimes. simplistic view of the world, and probably why Obama distanced himself early on from this guy. the one thing I've always marveled at was every 4 or 8 years when a new president comes into office, during the December before taking the oath, he is given his 1st presidential security brief with the "boys in black"...they all seem to come out of that meeting slightly slumped over, with a somber, and grim look on their face, as if he was told..."this is how it's really going to be"

I don't know this guy, but I agree with him on war crimes.

I was 9 or 10 during Bush Sr. and drunk through Clinton, so I have no animosity to them, but there hands are dirty.

So line them up with W and uncle O , and lets do this.

10 bucks says slick Willie talks us into clearing him of all charges and re-elect him.

He's good, he's damn good.

Well, to be fair, Bill implies that Obama is no worse than any other president, and better than most.

This proves that Obama is not a liberal, far left, socialist type (like Bill Ayers IS). Obama is a moderate, and sometimes even leans a little conservative.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
What the heck?! This is just confusing? Bill Ayers is no conservative by the longest shot imaginable. It would be like calling Obama himself a life long member of the GOP.

No, it's nothing like that.

In fact, Bill Ayers is credited with being the place where Obama worked out his plans for running to the State Senate in Illinois.

Not true.

During the 2008 U.S. presidential campaign, a controversy arose regarding Barack Obama's contact with Bill Ayers, a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and a former leader of the Weather Underground, a radical left organization in the 1970s.

Investigations by CNN, The New York Times and other news organizations concluded that Obama did not have a close relationship with Ayers.

(Source).

Snopes also has a good article on this.

So does FactCheck.org.

In Bill's kitchen, as some accounts have it

Not true.

and I've not really heard that disputed.

Seriously? It was debunked in the Democrat primaries, while Obama was still running for candidacy. Did you somehow miss about 6 months of blanket media coverage in your own country?

That's secondary though to what he says here and I just about froze to hear it.

Why? Bill Ayers is a radical liberal who once conducted a campaign of urban terrorism. Obama isn't a liberal at all. He's centre-right, and he's never endorsed Ayers' views on anything.

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How do you figure I left out anything? I posted the video and encouraged everyone to listen. You obviously did. Thank you. I'm not going to transcribe videos so people don't have to put the tiny bit of effort into listening to 2 minutes if the topic is relevant.

Since we want to talk points though, he also said Obama gets a solid F on policy across his Presidency.

Now if this were Fox News or Limbaugh saying it, I wouldn't have even opened the title to originally see what it was about. However, this would be very much like Carl Rove suddenly saying Bush is a war criminal and should burn. It's not QUITE a direct comparison, of course, but for level of support at one time given and pushed hard? It's not far off at all.

That is why I brought this to share. The man it came from to give context, not the literal wording to dissect for ways to suggest it isn't what it says right there.

reply to post by Sankari


Sankari, I'm not going to play around on this. I'm tired of your dropping into threads just to start crap, attack OPs because it's fun for you and basically talk trash.

Obama is *NOT* politically 'right' by A N Y stretch of the imagination.

Now, you are Australian. You do not live here. You do not know this system as a local or American. STOP PLAYING LIKE YOU DO. Your ignorance of this nation and it's internal workings is so obvious, it leaps off your posts like a neon announcement. It's getting very old and for a good many more people than JUST ME.

You've focused 100% on what I already said was secondary and I threw in only for someone out there who may have NO idea who Bill Ayers IS to relate to Obama on any level.

Not going to happen. This is no difference than the War Crimes cry we heard when Dubya was POTUS. Hell I even had an Obama supporter tell me back in '08 that if Obama was elected he would try Bush for war crimes, I laughed at that guy's ignorance.

Obama was carefully selected, his skeletons are buried well, and being an overwhelming popular president he can pretty much do what he wants without any fear of legal action.

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Obama isn't liberal ?!

Come on u2u me who you work for.

I swear I won't tell the rest of ATS,I just have to know!

reply to post by terriblyvexed

Obama isn't liberal ?!

Nope, Obama isn't liberal, he is a Corporatist, or an Oligarch. He is pretty far from being liberal on anything.

He supports the wealthy businessmen and women who line his and his parties pockets with the most campaign contributions.

As far as Ayers goes, he has always been an extremist liberal. They may have gotten along at one time, but I seriously doubt that they would even associate together today.

As far as war crimes? Absolutely, every president in American history is guilty of war crimes. This president is no different. Keeping POWs without trial or releasing them to their home country certainly is a war crime.

reply to post by jrod


I think you're right and it's not going to happen. I think what caught my breath on this is your second part. A popular President. He was....and carried that right into the first couple months of his second term. Now I didn't really start taking notice of that changing until Matthews on MSNBC. Mr 'tingle up the leg' himself, for what a fool he made of himself as a Journalist for saying that in the first place. I'd been watching that broadcast live when he said it and just had one of those "Did he REALLY say that moments"? To hear him flip was like Cronkite declaring the war unwinnable. A real moment of pause.

Now this is really making me wonder by Ayers ...How popular is he, really, among his own strongest base? I'm thinking the combination of scandals are starting to accumulate for collective weariness and outright dislike from corners who weren't like that by predisposition?

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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I think you're right and it's not going to happen. I think what caught my breath on this is your second part. A popular President. He was....and carried that right into the first couple months of his second term. Now I didn't really start taking notice of that changing until Matthews on MSNBC. Mr 'tingle up the leg' himself, for what a fool he made of himself as a Journalist for saying that in the first place. I'd been watching that broadcast live when he said it and just had one of those "Did he REALLY say that moments"? To hear him flip was like Cronkite declaring the war unwinnable. A real moment of pause.

Now this is really making me wonder by Ayers ...How popular is he, really, among his own strongest base? I'm thinking the combination of scandals are starting to accumulate for collective weariness and outright dislike from corners who weren't like that by predisposition?

Conservatives don't like him because they think he's too liberal; and liberals aren't liking him because they think he's acted too conservatively. Yeah, Obama's not having a great time now. His ratings still aren't horrible, though.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Can we try Bill Ayers for war crimes?

Domestic terrorism?

Veterans carry a flag and they get persecuted, Ayers bombed people and gets tenure.

To go to him for a perspective on the presidency would be like going to Honey-Boo-Boo for advice on MENSA.

The cognitive dissonance displayed is pretty humorous.

Ayers and Obama are friends.. but Ayers doesn't like Obama.. but they are the same.. but they aren't the same..
*confusion*
*smoke ears*
*powers down*

War crimes?

What war crimes would those be?

The war crimes by foreign nationals in Afghanistan religious fundamentalists who go around beheading people,flying plane into buildings, and stap bombs on to themselves because they want to fight against the infidels?

The war crimes like shooting little girls in the head because they want to get an education?

The war crimes in Syria that have killed over 100,000 of it's own citizens?

The war crimes in Libya that have killed their own citizens?

The war crimes in Afghanistan who has a current majority population in Gitmo, that would be Yemen btw.

Wonder how come a universal standard doesn't apply to 'war crimes'.

A bomber(Ayers) that most would call a war crime doesn't carry much weight with me.

Can't stand Ayres,Obama

Or those who try to make the west 'seem' worse than those in the east when they are clearly worse.

reply to post by HauntWok


Lol, if the corporate whoring makes you not a liberal, then liberals are a myth.

You'd have a easier time taking a picture of Bigfoot...

Originally posted by terriblyvexed
reply to post by HauntWok

 

Lol, if the corporate whoring makes you not a liberal, then liberals are a myth.

You'd have a easier time taking a picture of Bigfoot...

Liberals in the Democratic Party are a myth.

Liberals are here, we just don't vote for the establishment anymore.

www.gp.org

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

Can we try Bill Ayers for war crimes?

Domestic terrorism?

Veterans carry a flag and they get persecuted, Ayers bombed people and gets tenure.

To go to him for a perspective on the presidency would be like going to Honey-Boo-Boo for advice on MENSA.

Come on beezzer - get your insults straight! Ayers never bombed people. He bombed empty buildings. No people were killed or even hurt. Except the ones who got themselves blowed up while they were making the bombs.

And yes Obama is a liberal as per the definition:

lib·er·al /ˈlib(ə)rəl/ Adjective Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values. Noun

He does what he wants to with our money,our rights, and our lives.

So yes Obama is very much a liberal.

Because the traditional values is the person decides, but hell 'outsourcing' those rights is all the rage these days.