Syria crisis: France's Fabius 'confirms sarin use'

bbc

Sarin has been used "several times and in a localised manner" during the two-year Syrian conflict, says France's foreign minister.

Laurent Fabius said lab tests in Paris confirmed usage of the nerve agent, adding that those who resort to chemical weapons must be punished.

But he did not specify where, when or by whom the agent was used.

Earlier, the UN said there were "reasonable grounds" to believe chemical weapons had been used.

It urged foreign powers not to increase the availability of arms in Syria.

So France and the UK push for the EU to suspend the arms embargo to Syria so any country has the right to be able to legally supply the rebels with weapons. Which happened only two weeks prior. As well as the oil embargo being lifted in April.

Now FRANCE says sarin gas has been used but not sure who yet and is backed by the U.N.

If they are not sure as of yet who used the chemical weapons, why release this information?

Does this not have the potential to shoot themselves in the foot if it is found that the rebels used chemical weapons?

What if both sides used chemical weapons, does that mean the US will then intervene?

Did they have this information prior to unsuccessfully coming to an agreement in continuing the arms embargo, which was according to

William Hague ‏@WilliamJHague 30m
Right EU decision tonight. Arms embargo on Syrian opposition ended. No immediate decision to send arms. Other sanctions remain

Is this just a precursor for the public to "know" that sarin gas was indeed used in Syria, like the WMD's in Iraq?

If I recall correctly, testing was being carried out by several nations in order to prevent the appearance of bias. France might be willing to state this as the first ones to make an announcement, but there are other nations with testing going on too.

This might be why France is not willing to publicly announce more than that at this time, perhaps the UN wants to see the results from others too. This would then presumably be used to decide who exactly had used the weapons.

I think it goes without saying that whoever is found to be guilty of using it - Assad or rebels - they should be charged with war crimes.

It's also important that people remember that there are more crimes here than just this. If this was found to be the rebels, it doesn't excuse the crimes of the regime, just as it doesn't excuse the war crimes carried out by any factions of the rebel forces.

This is a war, both sides will be guilty of crimes, and both sides should face justice for what they have done to innocent people, and to each other.

It seems to me if they have samples sufficient to confirm Sarin, they ought to be good enough to confirm quality? Syria has been producing chemical weapons right out in front of God and Everybody for 30+ years. They're among the only nations in the world who has been, all this time. Since they didn't sign the treaties, they are not prohibited from making them in that way. Most nations are because they did sign them.

Hence...A Syrian Government weapon should show a high level of quality and refinement for the agent being used. That kinda brings the question of why Sarin in the first place, since Assad has such crowd pleasers as VX Gas, but I digress in trying to war game anyone's thinking.

The world saw Sarin in Tokyo though with the terrorist attack on the Subway there. Chemical weapons have now been found among rebels in Turkey as well as supporters in the Iraqi arm of Al Qaeda within recent days. Perhaps some notes need compared to see if there is a winner for a match?

I'd say whoever used it though, whichever side it turns out to be, the proof of that needs to be SOLID. Once it's in hand though? There IS NO comparison to "the other side is bad too". Nerve Gas is Nerve Gas and it's a poor man's nuclear weapon when it comes right down to it. No excuses, no relative comparisons. Whoever did it, should fry hard for it as an example to anyone else in the world who would consider using such a thing in the future. Assad or the Rebels. Identity shouldn't matter one bit for outcome, once proof is in hand and at a level accepted by the international community. (I believe Russia wanted confirmation of this too... A reasonable check for accuracy, I think)

If that isn't done? It just invites more use of this evil crap against the least deserving in the world. Civilians, for the most part.

videos up of rebels killing puppies with so called chemical weapons over a year and a half ago from syria. ....last week rebels stopped at the boarder with turkey suspected of carrying sarin.....but its only news if they can link it to al assad

posted with more info here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The moment Hilary/Obama I can't remember which,said "The use of chemical weapons by the Syrian regime is the red line"or words to that effect-it became open season for rebels to try to manufacture a chem hit by the regime...

That is what makes the situation difficult-and I think that as NATO have not yet retaliated,they think the same-its hard to find out who lauched what at what time in an asymmetrical war zone.

abovetopsecret.com

posted on 27-5-2013 @ 06:12 PM this post spoken too soonbbc
EU lifts arms embargo on Syria rebels, UK says

This is big.......

watch in any case or scenario for reports of chemical weapon usage... remember last Time.... and the time before that....
edit on 27-5-2013 by whatzshaken because: (no reason given)

UK is Still desperate to start wars

This is the push that the UK and France had to convince the rest of the EU to leave themselves undecided about this particular sanction, the arms embargo, to legally start suppling the rebels with weapons.

That is why there has been so much of a push by the GOVT'S of the world to support these rebels, they are losing to Assad and his allies.

Us has publically supported over $600 million in humanitarian aid of the rebels, some of which support or directly are Al Qaeda.

This war is complete nonsense and unjustly warranted but financially rewarding on all fronts.

The U.N. is supposed to be that unbiased, independent, world council that puts the peoples needs first, but instead is run by permanent members of the security council.

At this late stage, after an estimated 100,000 fellow humans had died, after close to 3 years when the world did nothing except to sit in the comfort of their bedrooms and boardrooms voicing out mealy mouthed human rights violations, after numerous youtube vids and media reports of the DESCENT INTO DARKNESS experienced by the Rebellion in the face of the Regime's superior weapons, atrocious brutalities daily and additional well organized and trained troops from Iran, does the red line matters anymore, as well as spurious accusations of rebels using sarin?

Let he/she who have not sinned, or had not abandoned our fellow humans facing sufferings, cast the first stone.......

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There is no line until the GOVT's can prove there was one. Which means, they never had conclusive evidence in the two years that Assad used chemical weapons, or he just recently started using them.

However, France says their reports are based on two years research, so what is it that they now have as evidence to conclusively concluded beyond a showdown of doubt, that Assad used these weapons?

It seems convenient to conclude that in recent months, US with $250+ in humanitarian aid, the EU lifting its arms embargo and oil embargo in support of these rebels, that this has not been planned out for some time.

Us gives money to rebels for aid + EU buys oil from rebells = Lots of money for rebels

Lots of money + rebels+ war = weapons

GOVT's make weapons.

So the GOVTS give rebels money for "aid" and oil, which the rebels give back to get weapons.

The GOVT's do not lose in this equation unless those who support the GOVT"S stop financing their agenda

If the muslim brotherhood aka alqueda were not given weapons from the beginning then none of this would have happened. I think both assad and the terrorists would be fools not to use chemical weapons. In war you use anything you got, even nukes if necessary.

NATO had and still has no business in the middle east. It is disgraceful we are spending money and time supplying terrorists with resources when back home we are starving of jobs and both the economy and natinal debt continue to decline.

Disinformation spread by the media will create this problem. The media might as well ONLY talk about celebrities and sports from now on because that is the only thing they are credible with. Anything that is important either gets misreported or completly ignored!

France's Fabius 'confirms sarin use' by Syria regime

There is no doubt Syria's government has used sarin during the country's crisis, says France's foreign minister.

BBC

France has publically announced that they have conclusive evidence that the line has been crossed.

Regardless by whom, the fact remains that France has evidence that chemical weapons were used in Syria.

No one wants, well the people do not want, another Iraq, and WMD's, I just only hope the evidence is beyond the shadow of doubt, because of the implications this event will have on the world.

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I am not suprised in the least BBC would say that. They are rothschild shills just like the msm of the usa. It is up to the people to stop these warmongering racketeers once and for all. Failure to act eventually leads to destruction and chaos.

There is a dilemma in Syria simply because on the one side we have Assad, the ruler whose Father and he have run Syria for some time but on the other, we have the rebels - at least 12 different groups. So with at least 13 groups which one do you accuse with real proof?

You also have Israel on the doorstep who is not adverse to entering foreign countries and kidnapping, assassinating and why not planting whatever its agents feel like. The Saudis could also have agents working in that country, so could any number of other countries including the UK, France, USA etc.

We are very unlikely to know who has done what concerning Sarin use, except to be put through the usual media twoddle whilst various governments try to make a case for their making money by supplying arms and putting in a puppet government, which inevitably will bite the hand that pulls the strings.

Slowly countries in the Middle East are being turned to rubble and their infrastructure destroyed to say nothing of the terrible human suffering and displacement.

aljazeera

US to deploy missiles and jets to Jordan

Washington says weapons may remain there after exercise to help Amman deal with threat from conflict in Syria.

If France is right I can guarantee you that they will not just stay there but used.

Oh # this is not good, not good at all.

reply to post by whatzshaken


The UK and are just itching to go in there.

Only thing stopping them is the fact that 99% of the population would be against it so they are just slowly edging there, Eventualy there will be involvement.

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If 99% of the population thinks the GOVT should not get involved, then its the GOVT's responsibility to provide ample evidence to prove otherwise.

GOVT(Democracy) works for and by the people.

Is it in the best interest of the people to support any form of terror?

Until we see civilians suffering, putting and suffocating on youtube, it wont matter.

Originally posted by whatzshaken
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If 99% of the population thinks the GOVT should not get involved, then its the GOVT's responsibility to provide ample evidence to prove otherwise.

GOVT(Democracy) works for and by the people.

Is it in the best interest of the people to support any form of terror?

Why is it our responsiblity?

Plus what side do we help?

The rebels seem just as bad as Assad.

Best let someone else deal with complications of sorting a islamic country out.

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Who put Assad's father into power?

You will find its just a circle of empowerment.

When you are dealing with things in evil nature, war, dictators, regimes, you essentially are fighting fire with fire. There is no water being used, not since the last time the world spoke of a day of peace.

Essentially, Assad got too powerful and knowledgeable and has become a liability, such as Gaddafi, (Sadam, Bin Laden), Chavez. So they try the best way they can to silence them to protect what Kissinger said "the unconstitutional, which takes a little bit longer"

Originally posted by whatzshaken
reply to post by crazyewok

 

If 99% of the population thinks the GOVT should not get involved, then its the GOVT's responsibility to provide ample evidence to prove otherwise.

GOVT(Democracy) works for and by the people.

Is it in the best interest of the people to support any form of terror?

So you speak for the supposed '99%'?
Are you the elected PM?
Do you have empirical figures with evidences to back that up, or were you just shooting off your mouth in the hope to fool the naive to support either support your own fears/cowardice or your apathy to another's suffering?