Online Poll Shows 85% of Brits Want to Repeal the Ban on Hand Guns

I wonder if the Woolwich soldier had had a nice magnum caliber handgun in his sock, if he might still be alive today?

Originally posted by Danbones
"Laughable"?
Just a friendly lil reminder:

Remember back in WWII when the Japanese admiral said that an invasion of the US would face a gun behind everyblade of grass?
and so DON"T DO IT!

What did the Brits say in WW!!
HELP!
and who helped?
all the people who had guns handy everyday

Dont even go there just dont,....

Posts like that from ignorant americans piss on the lifes of the hundreds of thousands of uk troops that died in equal numbers to your americans.

Your a disgrace to the men who gave there lifes.

Ps British gun laws barely existed then so shove that up your gun barrel.

Originally posted by Danbones
I wonder if the Woolwich soldier had had a nice magnum caliber handgun in his sock, if he might still be alive today?

Well seeing as he was hit in back by a car by surprise no! Unless guns are magic!

Now stop useing this mans death for your gun agenda!

Originally posted by Danbones
"Laughable"?
Just a friendly lil reminder:

Remember back in WWII when the Japanese admiral said that an invasion of the US would face a gun behind everyblade of grass?
and so DON"T DO IT!

What did the Brits say in WW!!
HELP!
and who helped?
all the people who had guns handy everyday

What did the usa say in Iraq war 2
HELP!
and who helped?
Britain

I also distintcly remember the USA asking fro help in Afghanistan too? Or and Vietnam though thankfully we kept out.

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Only read the first page so far but.......

What if Cameron decided to turn the UK into a communist nation ?

Cameron is a complete arsehole but he's the least likely person to 'turn the UK into a communist nation' that I can imagine.
And even if he did want to do you honestly think he'd be able to?
Too much paranoia methinks.

What if Obama wanted to turn the US into a communist state?
Oh, I forgot, many think he has.

But do you think your Glocks and semi-automatics will prove any sort of defence against the weaponry and resources of the most powerful Armed Forces in the world?

How far is it from a totalitarian nation now with all the cameras ?

Oh for goodness sake, get real - whilst there are many problems here in the UK, and they are undoubtedly getting worse, however we are still far from being a totalitarian state.

What if he put your queen in prison .

I guess it would all depend on why.

What if he outlawed beer and brandy ?

You crack me up.
Do you honestly think we are that stupid that we would repeat one of the US's biggest mistakes?
And look how that turned out for you.
It almost handed the country to ARMED gangsters who prior to Prohibition were not much different from gangsters the world over - now look how much power, influence and control they have.

Any more ridiculous 'what if's'?

How would you take back your country ? How would you stop him ?

The same way we've dealt with tyrants before.
When have Americans ever taken advantage of their precious Second Amendment and risen up against it's rulers?

We aren't going to save you again the Elite control our politicians too .

The next time 'you' save us will be the first.

I understand why the US has The Second Amendment, and that's entirely up to you..
But the UK is not the USA and despite what this one-sided opinion poll may suggest the vast majority of Brits neither need or want any sort of relaxation of our gun control laws.

Each to their own.

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But yet your government uses this man's death as push to "Usher in a police state" and take what little rights you have left away, are you not men can you not stand up and defend yourselves, or is life better in a bubble being coddled like little babies, spoon fed bull# and bowing down to an elite class because they come from some noble bloodline. Stand up and direct your own course, be men, be responsible for your own lives including defending it.

Originally posted by seabag
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Like I said, if you're happy being disarmed then that's your prerogative.

Then why bother posting this thread?

Originally posted by seabag
What a nanny state!

Then dont come and bloody live here then!

Our culture our ways so STFU.

reply to post by HomoSapiensSapiens

well the truth be known. You only hear about the number of criminal activities that 'succeed' to what ever degree and you don't hear abut the criminal activities actually tharted by a legally armed citizen. I have carried concealed for 19 years and in those 19 years, more people have died at the hands of certain politician's car than have died by my guns. I did, however, have to use one, twice, to save my own life in the line of duty as a deputy sheriff. In that, I rest my case,. In both cases, I was shot first. But I shot straighter. I feel sorry for the poor women in your country who are at the 'beck and call' of any rapist who wants to take them from their escorts. A nation of wimps deserves no better,.

Originally posted by seabag
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Is that right? Maybe you should read the thread past the OP and see the stats. A person is more likely to be a victim of violent crime in UK than US. Does that surprise you? It shouldn’t! You have no means of self-defense that’s worth a crap!

It has nothing to do with guns!

If you break the stats down you will find the Murder and other serious violnet crimes are lower.
The higher rates due to our dink problems and youth violence.

Diffrent country diffrent set of problems.

It like me saying America has more mass shooting than the USA its 100% down to the fact you have less gun control.

BS right?

Same with saying violent crime overall is higher becase we have less guns.

Originally posted by seabag
This is an interesting poll.

Public online polls don't mean anything. They're not scientific and they're too easily manipulated.

Originally posted by PRwood
reply to post by crazyewok

 

But yet your government uses this man's death as push to "Usher in a police state" and take what little rights you have left away, are you not men can you not stand up and defend yourselves, or is life better in a bubble being coddled like little babies, spoon fed bull# and bowing down to an elite class because they come from some noble bloodline. Stand up and direct your own course, be men, be responsible for your own lives including defending it.

You dont know anything about the UK.

Do what you like in thge USA but keep the hell away from my country!

Originally posted by Danbones
I wonder if the Woolwich soldier had had a nice magnum caliber handgun in his sock, if he might still be alive today?

No.

His attackers hit him with a car and crushed him against a road sign. He was already badly hurt when they dragged him into the street to finish the job with knives.



The car was fast and unexpected; he didn't have a chance to get out of the way. A firearm would not have made any difference.

reply to post by crazyewok


LOL - and how would you know that, do you know where I was born, raised, do you know anything about me my relatives. Your response is based on emotion, are you sure your not a female and completely ignorant. Just my 2 sense

reply to post by seabag


Interesting poll! I wonder how much all the violence all over the world has influenced this opinion shift? Nice to see, in any case!

I'm pretty sick and tired of people who are completely ignorant of my country telling me we "need" guns. Frankly, to say that the life of Lee Rigby could have been saved if we had the same anarchic gun laws as *certain other countries* is ridiculous. How did those gun laws work out in Columbine, Aurora, Killeen, Binghampton, *insert mass shooting of choice here*? Where was the gun toting citizen who stopped those little sprees? Notably absent?

Originally posted by roguedesigner
I'm pretty sick and tired of people who are completely ignorant of my country telling me we "need" guns. Frankly, to say that the life of Lee Rigby could have been saved if we had the same anarchic gun laws as *certain other countries* is ridiculous. How did those gun laws work out in Columbine, Aurora, Killeen, Binghampton, *insert mass shooting of choice here*? Where was the gun toting citizen who stopped those little sprees? Notably absent?

In the cases of ALL school shootings here, guns are not allowed in those places, so no armed citizen was allowed or able to stop the shooters. It's pretty clear that such shooters tend to choose places guns aren't allowed. There are many more cases of someone being stopped by an armed citizen, though, than of such shooter types doing whatever they want. In Texas, there is a new bill to allow armed teachers and school staff, to help prevent such tragedies in the schools there. Great plan, in my opinion. All the gun laws do is prevent lawful citizens from carrying. Criminals already ignore the laws.

reply to post by Danbones


Guns save lives?

How come countries with less guns have less murders AND less rapes?

US statistics per 100,000 people- 88,8 guns / 29.0 rapes reported / 4.8 intentional homicides

UK statistics per 100,000 people - 6.4 guns / 27.5 rapes reported / 1.2 intentional homicides


Numbers tell everything. Guns do not prevent murders or rapes. The amount of rapes is pretty much the same, although country with more guns has 4 times as many homicides.

Based on what you implied, if Americans had less guns, there would be EVEN more homicides and rapes?

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by roguedesigner
I'm pretty sick and tired of people who are completely ignorant of my country telling me we "need" guns. Frankly, to say that the life of Lee Rigby could have been saved if we had the same anarchic gun laws as *certain other countries* is ridiculous. How did those gun laws work out in Columbine, Aurora, Killeen, Binghampton, *insert mass shooting of choice here*? Where was the gun toting citizen who stopped those little sprees? Notably absent?

In the cases of ALL school shootings here, guns are not allowed in those places, so no armed citizen was allowed or able to stop the shooters. It's pretty clear that such shooters tend to choose places guns aren't allowed. There are many more cases of someone being stopped by an armed citizen, though, than of such shooter types doing whatever they want. In Texas, there is a new bill to allow armed teachers and school staff, to help prevent such tragedies in the schools there. Great plan, in my opinion. All the gun laws do is prevent lawful citizens from carrying. Criminals already ignore the laws.

So the answer to more gun crime is to allow more people to carry firearms. That's genius.

reply to post by seabag


Well, I managed to restrain myself from posting again till page 4.

First of all you use a video from a Countryside Alliance march from back in 2002 I think to support your arguement.
Do you know anything at all about Countryside Alliance?
They were protesting about the ban on fox hunting.
You use the same video that repeatedly crops up in these sort of threads and has been debunked on numerous occassions.
Why not show the numerous videos of British people who DO NOT want any relaxation of our gun control laws?

There are 0.8 gun related deaths per 100,000 here in the UK.
There are 10.3 gun related deaths per 100,000 in the USA.
Why on earth would we want to replicate that?

It has been repeatedly stated that 'the criminals have guns' - guess what, the vast majority do not have guns.
Gun related crime is a big issue in the UK and nearly every incident makes national news.

There is then the repeated attempts to turn the brutal murder of Lee Rigby into a gun related issue - no shame at all.

But it would have been irrelevant if Lee Rigby was armed or not, the outcome for that poor soul would have been the same.
He was ran over first and was disorientated, in shock and I imagine a lot of pain - he would never have been able to draw his gun and use it.

And then there are the attempts to show that an armed populace can stop crime by using the odd and extremely rare occurrence when it does - for true balance why not mention the countless number of times when it all goes tits up and innocent people end up getting shot?

You then continually defend the validity of the opinion poll despite it being proven that it's totally unreliable and the data is corrupt.
The opinion poll is invalid as credible evidence, end of story.

reply to post by PRwood