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Originally posted by Hopechest
What crimes do not hurt society? I would argue that the very fact that you ignore a law would harm society because if people are allowed to pick and choose what laws to follow you will see that society break down. Therefore, every law is important.
I would argue there is no such thing as a victimless crime because every law that is broken is hurting society as a whole.
Originally posted by Guenter
Originally posted by Hopechest
What crimes do not hurt society? I would argue that the very fact that you ignore a law would harm society because if people are allowed to pick and choose what laws to follow you will see that society break down. Therefore, every law is important.
I would argue there is no such thing as a victimless crime because every law that is broken is hurting society as a whole.
Now then in a North African country where it is normal and maybe even the LAW to use FGM on my daughter, I then "Harm" society by refusing to have her "De-clitted"? An old saying goes that where their is no complaint, there cannot be a "judge". Victimless means exactly that. If no one is hurt, then there is no use for this law.
And your argument to "pick and choose" is flawed, since no person with common sense and some ounce of brains would "choose" to "legalize" murder. And the rest is up to the community.
Or take the women and no driving laws in Saudi Arabia. What "Harm" would it be for "society" if some Saudi woman decided to surprise the people with an all out "Let's all drive today" protest drive of all women?
What "harm" did Rosa Parks do to society?
Your arguments are exactly the same defense arguments the Nazis use during their war-crime trials. "I just followed orders! I just obeyed the law."
Originally posted by Hopechest
Yes it doesn't harm anyone but the laws are fairly clear. I will never be arrested for drugs because I don't associate with them.
If you want to play the game in that arena then you know the consequences.
Originally posted by Junkheap
Originally posted by Hopechest
Yes it doesn't harm anyone but the laws are fairly clear. I will never be arrested for drugs because I don't associate with them.
If you want to play the game in that arena then you know the consequences.
Oh, how very self-righteous of you.
Tell that to the people who have possession of drug charges placed against them just because their cash had trace amounts of drugs detected on them. Tell that to the person who had her used car seized because a crack vial was found in the car from a previous owner.
Tell that to all the people who were charged with contempt of court because a summons got sent to a wrong address.
Originally posted by Hopechest
Originally posted by Guenter
Originally posted by Hopechest
What crimes do not hurt society? I would argue that the very fact that you ignore a law would harm society because if people are allowed to pick and choose what laws to follow you will see that society break down. Therefore, every law is important.
I would argue there is no such thing as a victimless crime because every law that is broken is hurting society as a whole.
Now then in a North African country where it is normal and maybe even the LAW to use FGM on my daughter, I then "Harm" society by refusing to have her "De-clitted"? An old saying goes that where their is no complaint, there cannot be a "judge". Victimless means exactly that. If no one is hurt, then there is no use for this law.
And your argument to "pick and choose" is flawed, since no person with common sense and some ounce of brains would "choose" to "legalize" murder. And the rest is up to the community.
Or take the women and no driving laws in Saudi Arabia. What "Harm" would it be for "society" if some Saudi woman decided to surprise the people with an all out "Let's all drive today" protest drive of all women?
What "harm" did Rosa Parks do to society?
Your arguments are exactly the same defense arguments the Nazis use during their war-crime trials. "I just followed orders! I just obeyed the law."
In many African countries FGM is considered normal...as disgusting as it is.
Yes you would be harming society by not following that law. If you do not like the law of a certain society you may choose to try and change it or leave.
I do not like many of the muslim laws but If I were living in that society I would abide by them.
Originally posted by Guenter
Originally posted by Hopechest
Originally posted by Guenter
Originally posted by Hopechest
What crimes do not hurt society? I would argue that the very fact that you ignore a law would harm society because if people are allowed to pick and choose what laws to follow you will see that society break down. Therefore, every law is important.
I would argue there is no such thing as a victimless crime because every law that is broken is hurting society as a whole.
Now then in a North African country where it is normal and maybe even the LAW to use FGM on my daughter, I then "Harm" society by refusing to have her "De-clitted"? An old saying goes that where their is no complaint, there cannot be a "judge". Victimless means exactly that. If no one is hurt, then there is no use for this law.
And your argument to "pick and choose" is flawed, since no person with common sense and some ounce of brains would "choose" to "legalize" murder. And the rest is up to the community.
Or take the women and no driving laws in Saudi Arabia. What "Harm" would it be for "society" if some Saudi woman decided to surprise the people with an all out "Let's all drive today" protest drive of all women?
What "harm" did Rosa Parks do to society?
Your arguments are exactly the same defense arguments the Nazis use during their war-crime trials. "I just followed orders! I just obeyed the law."
In many African countries FGM is considered normal...as disgusting as it is.
Yes you would be harming society by not following that law. If you do not like the law of a certain society you may choose to try and change it or leave.
I do not like many of the muslim laws but If I were living in that society I would abide by them.
Hitler and other despots would have fallen in love with your logic.
Sorry but you out of my chain of people I shall reply to.
Originally posted by Terminal1
It just seems that the US is jail crazy
Originally posted by Hopechest
Well unlike Stalin's Russia, our people know what sends them to prison and yet they still do it.
Perhaps you shouldn't blame the prison system.
Originally posted by QuantumDeath
Money talks, Bulls*** walks.
Originally posted by Hopechest
Well unlike Stalin's Russia, our people know what sends them to prison and yet they still do it.
Perhaps you shouldn't blame the prison system.
those rules do not have to make sense.
Originally posted by Hopechest
Well unlike Stalin's Russia, our people know what sends them to prison and yet they still do it.
Perhaps you shouldn't blame the prison system.
Originally posted by EvilDuck
Or maybe its just that our police force catches more people over here.