Get READY...Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion !!

Originally posted by GenerationGap
Here's my fear.

The focus on preventive medical treatment. Don't get me wrong here, I support going and getting tested, exercising, eating healthy. It's why I don't need to go to the doctor, and at my age, that's remarkable these days.

So back to my fear. Preventative care. When prices necessarily sky rocket the government, specifically the IRS, now has a say in how costs are reduced. One of the ways will be through gene analyzing. For instance, just recently a well known beauty and actress elected to have her breasts removed because doctors determined she was 87% more likely to get breast cancer because of her genetic make up. Removing her breasts reduced the risk. It's also a cost saving measure. Cutting her tatas off for $3000 can possibly save tens of thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands, in cancer treatment.

Fast forward five years when the healthcare system looks just like the USPS and is hundreds of billions of dollars in debt.

Your child or grand child is born, and the doctor says his genetic makeup means he has a 73% chance of growing testicular tumors in his lifetime and therefore signs a paper recommending immediate castration. You tell the doctor to go to hell, and remove the child from the hospital to save his reproductive abilities, and your chances of extending your bloodline. The next morning, your wife and child awaken to you being thrown to the ground outside at gun point and these same gestapo members remove your infant from the house, and take him to the nearest hospital to receive the treatment that will not only potentially "save his life", but also save society the cost of treating his potential testicular cancer in 40 years.

Now consider that the IRS has demonstrated the audacity of targeting people of a certain mindset. I wouldn't be surprised to see groups of a certain political spectrum having their children's reproduction organs removed at higher rates than normal.

Let me be clear, and make no mistake, this my countrymen and fellow readers is the end game.

It is the very definition of the Fabian Society utopia, or eutopia, because of their documented desire to facilitate eugenics to create the perfect society.

Read the quote in my signature. Like Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood and member of the Fabian Society), George Bernard Shaw is constantly quoted and adored by the left in this country and around the world.

And it keeps getting better:
The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.
Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.
Her successor, Joseph Grant, is taking the fall for misdeeds at the scandal-plagued unit between 2010 and 2012. During at least part of that time, Grant served as deputy commissioner of the tax-exempt unit.

abcnews.go.com...

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Realtruth

 

Both of you are wrong, they won't do a thing, in fact, people are so used to fighting over scraps and playing the poor-man role that they will adjust and forget that this ever happened.

I’ve decided what I’m going to do. If I lose my insurance coverage because of this, I will continue to get treatment for my family when it’s needed (like normal) and I will simply refuse to pay my medical bills like 75% of the people in this country do now. I'm going to start playing the poor man role!

F-IT! I refuse to pay!

Well you'll get a lesson. Hospital debt is not so easily forgiven any longer. I hope you like the late night phone calls form the collection agencies.

reply to post by Aazadan

Don't mean to jump in in your conversation, but have you considered moving elsewhere to obtain that job you so desire? If not, than can you actually say you are doing everything possible to get where you want to be?

Just sayin...

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Spoken like someone who can afford to move. I've gotten interviews in other places, even had rather nice job offers. The moment they hear I need money upfront though in order to afford to move, they move on to someone else. Companies don't do that for people with a poor work history.

Then slowly save up the money to move. I've moved a couple times. It took me a year or so to save up, but once I did, I moved on to bigger better things. If you keep thinking everything is $h!t, than that’s all you'll get...

One hesitates to jump in on the discussion as the emotions seem to be running pretty high. I too am concerned being an older self insured individual. My rates right now are fairly reasonable, Results of some calculators for rates in the new exchanges, disturb me. But this is pretty early on, and I for one hope these do not become a market reality.

I guess my question is what is the discussion here? The obomination that is the Affordable Care Act, or, what is the reality of insurance rates? They sure seem to high. Now why is that. Are the insurance companies reaping unjustified profits, or are they passing along a major part of this excessive premium to the larger industry of health care providers. That is, the hospital and doctors. I think a reading of the Time article about hospital billing, and profit margins is mandatory reading

The whole notion is to get the cost structure of health care out on view so that consumers will get involved and make choices on cost competition. Based on what I see here I think they got your attention.

My wife's heart Doctor said he thought that all policies should have a five thousand dollar deductible And when the expense on health needed to be made, decisions on who would get these dollars would be cost driven. He was ready to add the importance of an efficiency rating for the provider be a part of the decision . I said everybody would get really sick before they would spend that five thousand. And that might not be cost efficient.

Health care is an important component of a prosperous civilization. And it is about the cost. It is cost driven, and at the present cost is an over burden. It is a purely free market approach. Americans are used to the expense of health care being absorbed by our employers and have no direct experience with cost. This a chance to turn that behemoth of a system Slow the cost, reverse the cost.

But it is an important debate. I suspect that Barack Obama did not write the bill that has his name on it. I believe insurance companies and other health care industries had the greatest impute Along with some finely crafted request for the library back by some of our fine elected representatives

reply to post by okyouwin


If Obama goes, the first thing to go will be Obama-care.

Real unemployment is rising in the US. A lot of employed are also facing financial difficulties. This will only mean one thing - millions will simply fall off from insured medical care and die a slow death.

The self-employed are at risk as well as they do not have bargaining power of corporations.

Originally posted by xuenchen
Get ready to get ready as they say.

We told Ya so !!

The insurance companies will get super richer off this deal.

Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

Internal cost estimates from 17 of the nation's largest insurance companies indicate that health insurance premiums will grow an average of 100 percent under Obamacare, and that some will soar more than 400 percent, crushing the administration's goal of affordability.

New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which released a report Monday based on internal documents provided by the insurance companies. The 17 companies include Aetna, Blue Cross Blue Shield and Kaiser Foundation.

Don't cry when you get the fat inflated "Premium" bill, or when YOUR employer says "sorry, your raise will be ZERO this time"

Oh...and have fun applying for one of those "Exchange" rates !!

You may not "Qualify" if you have a job.

Johnny needs a new pair of shoes

And yet, the full implementation of Obamacare makes it illegal for them to do this....so how does that fact square with what you've posted here?

answer - It doesn't.

Those idiots are desperate to stop 2014's full implementation from hitting them in their profit-zones. Wake up. You're being played by professional liars.

Originally posted by Propulsion
reply to post by Aazadan

 

Don't mean to jump in in your conversation, but have you considered moving elsewhere to obtain that job you so desire? If not, than can you actually say you are doing everything possible to get where you want to be?

Just sayin...

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Spoken like someone who can afford to move. I've gotten interviews in other places, even had rather nice job offers. The moment they hear I need money upfront though in order to afford to move, they move on to someone else. Companies don't do that for people with a poor work history.

Then slowly save up the money to move. I've moved a couple times. It took me a year or so to save up, but once I did, I moved on to bigger better things. If you keep thinking everything is $h!t, than that’s all you'll get...

You are looking at it the wrong way. Large groups of people shouldn't have to move to find reasonable employment somewhere. It means the policies of government are to blame more than anything else. Government should accept the responsibility that comes with the pay and try to improve stuff rather than make it worse.

This isn't simcity where people learn on the go. Mistakes have consequences in real life. Unless you want to see america turn into some african third world nation like uganda I suggest you change that pathetic attitude.

Originally posted by GargIndia
reply to post by okyouwin

 

If Obama goes, the first thing to go will be Obama-care.

Real unemployment is rising in the US. A lot of employed are also facing financial difficulties. This will only mean one thing - millions will simply fall off from insured medical care and die a slow death.

The self-employed are at risk as well as they do not have bargaining power of corporations.

That is why they keep coming up with #loads of small scandals. If there was any meat on those allegations congress as pathetic as it is would have charged him with something by now. There are issues like fast and furious and the arming of guerillas in syria but we don't hear that, what we hear is benghazi and his gay lifestyle. It reeks of clinton era republicanism.

Originally posted by seeker1963

There is no free market as long as our elected officials allow lobbyists in our whitehouse!

Lobbying is fine as long as campaign system gets a major overhaul, and specifically BANNING all campaign contributions above a certain limit like it used to be before, and made even stricter if necessary. This is the reason why democrats and republicans get the lion share of financial assistance.

They BUY politicians with cash, not with lobbying the old fashion way. Distinctions are important my friend.

BTW I am no fan of free market economics and think THIS is what brought us wall street deregulation, which brought us outsourcing and automation. Wall street "investors" got too greedy and both corporate management and government are happy to comply. There is conflict of interest going on.

Don't get me wrong libertarians are above the cut in terms of the current two party monopoly, because they want a much smaller military industrial complex and want to cut down on government spending by banning the IRS which would affect the Federal Reserve negatively(and that is great news). But one could get better results by voting green party or constitution party. It seems the further into obscurity you go the more beneficial the parties are and vice versa.

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by xuenchen
Get ready to get ready as they say.

We told Ya so !!

The insurance companies will get super richer off this deal.

Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion

Internal cost estimates from 17 of the nation's largest insurance companies indicate that health insurance premiums will grow an average of 100 percent under Obamacare, and that some will soar more than 400 percent, crushing the administration's goal of affordability.

New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which released a report Monday based on internal documents provided by the insurance companies. The 17 companies include Aetna, Blue Cross Blue Shield and Kaiser Foundation.

Don't cry when you get the fat inflated "Premium" bill, or when YOUR employer says "sorry, your raise will be ZERO this time"

Oh...and have fun applying for one of those "Exchange" rates !!

You may not "Qualify" if you have a job.

Johnny needs a new pair of shoes

And yet, the full implementation of Obamacare makes it illegal for them to do this.

No it doesn't

Yes, we have been taken by a pack of liars: those who started with "you have to pass the bill to see what is in it."

reply to post by NorEaster

And yet, the full implementation of Obamacare makes it illegal for them to do this....so how does that fact square with what you've posted here?

answer - It doesn't.

Those idiots are desperate to stop 2014's full implementation from hitting them in their profit-zones. Wake up. You're being played by professional liars.

interesting.

can we see that the language of the law that says this.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Propulsion
reply to post by Aazadan

 

Don't mean to jump in in your conversation, but have you considered moving elsewhere to obtain that job you so desire? If not, than can you actually say you are doing everything possible to get where you want to be?

Just sayin...
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Spoken like someone who can afford to move. I've gotten interviews in other places, even had rather nice job offers. The moment they hear I need money upfront though in order to afford to move, they move on to someone else. Companies don't do that for people with a poor work history.

Then slowly save up the money to move. I've moved a couple times. It took me a year or so to save up, but once I did, I moved on to bigger better things. If you keep thinking everything is $h!t, than that’s all you'll get...

You are looking at it the wrong way. Large groups of people shouldn't have to move to find reasonable employment somewhere. It means the policies of government are to blame more than anything else. Government should accept the responsibility that comes with the pay and try to improve stuff rather than make it worse.

This isn't simcity where people learn on the go. Mistakes have consequences in real life. Unless you want to see america turn into some african third world nation like uganda I suggest you change that pathetic attitude.

Large groups of people shouldn't have to move to find reasonable employment somewhere…

Families do it all the time.

It means the policies of government are to blame more than anything else. Government should accept the responsibility that comes with the pay and try to improve stuff rather than make it worse.

Unfortunately, the Gov. isn’t going to take responsibility. And in saying so, you will have to take responsibility and do what is necessary to better your life.

This isn't simplicity where people learn on the go. Mistakes have consequences in real life. Unless you want to see America turn into some African third world nation like Uganda.

It already is turning into a third world country like Uganda.

I suggest you change that pathetic attitude.

Oh really? You do realize how idiotic that sounds, right? It’s that very attitude that will get you nowhere! So go ahead and blame the world for your woes! Self-pity will only dig you deeper in a hole!

reply to post by Propulsion


Nope. Its too many people with the *me only* attitude that tend to vote republican that messed up america. The bible belt fools, those that have excessive love in wall street and blame make-believe socialism for all their woes, the ones serving in the military and fear the left because they might lose their jobs, etc.

I tend to look out for everyone, hence I am a collectivist of sorts. You tend to look out for yourself primarily hence you are an individualist. Collectivist vote democrat, individualists and fools vote republican.

But there are other parties as well with mixed ideologies that never see the day of light in msm.