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I would rather have a third party win the elections and clean house(libertarians, greens, constitutionalists), but short of that I will settle for democrats over republicans any time. At least they pretend to care rather than push the privatise everything button in peoples face.
The free market sounds great in theory but in practice there are many rackets/trusts that form and monopolise important sectors of the economy and sell BS to the gullible masses. Reagan, Bush jr and sr and Obama is looking republican as well.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by seabag
So you are implying in a round about way that Obama is doing a relatively good job with the economy and that the affordable healthcare act should be no big deal, correct? Wow I never thought a conservative would agree with him.
On Thursday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry sent a letter to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to officially let her know Texas would not partner with the federal government in setting up health exchanges under Obamacare.
"This is a federally-mandated exchange with rules dictated by Washington," Perry wrote in his letter. "It would not be fiscally responsible to put hard-working Texans on the financial hook for an unknown amount of money to operate a system under rules that have not even been written."
Originally posted by Ikema
Wow what a surprise. Fear mongering along with conservative crying. So what's so different from the past 5 years? Nothing here to see or be concerned about. Tomorrow you'll get up and go to work just like the day before.
God, I never thought we would actually devolve into a nation of baby cries. One can only hope Edgar Casey was right and we lose the whole middle of the continent.edit on 15-5-2013 by Ikema because: (no reason given)
BCBS of FL Group
BCBS of MI Group
BCBS of NJ Group
Blue Shield of CA Group
Cigna Health Group
Coventry Corp. Group
Health Net of California, Inc.
Independence Blue Cross Group
Kaiser Foundation Group
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center
Wellpoint Inc. Group
Don't mean to jump in in your conversation, but have you considered moving elsewhere to obtain that job you so desire? If not, than can you actually say you are doing everything possible to get where you want to be?
I don't care if I'm overqualified, that doesn't mean I'm unable to do the work. I want to work. I want a job that pays minimum wage or better, and I want to work a mere 40 hours per week. I don't even care if it's a good job anymore. That's the entire reason I went to school. Those jobs don't exist. America figured out that it could outsource them, and leave fewer lower paid jobs behind. I make less than the average wage in the developed portions of China, I'm not unskilled and I'm not lazy. That's simply the way the country has gone, and many people have cheered it as it's brought higher profits to the corporations.
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by xuenchen
By DESIGN, folks! We said he was going to intentionally drive private insurance out of business so his was the only game in town!
By the way...THANKS!
Here’s how it will play out – 300% increase in premiums, 65% drop in insured (let’s face it…who can afford it at a 300% increase), insurances companies go under, everyone has to go to a new single-payer government system or pay uninsured fines that will continue to increase year after year.
That's what you voted for! You've gotta read the fine print, people!
edit on 14-5-2013 by seabag because: (no reason given)
Most of the insurers provided similar responses regarding the impact of the fees and taxes on the cost of insurance premiums . Responses indicated that the tax on insurers could increase premiums from 2.3 percent 83 to 2.5 percent in 2014 in the individual, small, and large group markets. This tax could increase premiums an additional 3 percent to 4 percent in future years. Other insurers, by grouping the fees and taxes together, found premium increases ranging from 4 per cent to 8 percent.
Based on the documents produced to the committee, individuals in some states may have their premiums decrease, although a far greater number of individuals will face premium increases under the PPACA. As one insurer estimated, “Only consumers in 5 states [are] likely to see decreases.” These states where individuals will have decreases are typically those with an insurance market that is already heavily regulated.
One insurer identified five states that may experience premium decreases due to the fact that their markets already require guaranteed issue and have rating restrictions: Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, and Vermont
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
We already had socialized medicine - Medicare and Medicaid.
Under those the only people who couldn't see a doctor were the working poor.
Now they've just included the entire middle class.
This is going to backfire because people CANNOT afford to pay the premiums OR the penalties.
But they knew that all along, didn't they?
So what was the true intent of this monstrosity?
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Originally posted by cholo
I bet Obama creamed the economy back in sept 08! It was his fault that the entire economy dropped into historic free fall!
Must have been by design, so you guys can complain and make up fantasy for eight years!
In fairness, Obama was opposed to any sort of regulation over the Federal Mortgage Companies (Fannie/Freddie MAC) to rein in the Bush identified crisis of subprime mortage lending, so yeah... his hands aren't clean. he also supported TARP and his policies coming out of the depression have consistantly been to throw good money after bad, passing the bill off to future generations.
I'll be real honest with you, the fantasy here is the idea that anything this president has done has been above average, at best. I might be compelled to actually search for some gemstones hidden in the mountains of turds which have been his first 4 1/2 years... but I find the idea that we, as Americans, should try to seek out something of value within the man's *ahem* "character" to be hypocritical and preposterous considering the complete lack of responsibility he, himself, has shown since taking office. EVERYTHING has been someone else's fault. From his own lips the man has never once said "Yep, you know what, I screwed up there." Every damn time it has been some variant of "My predecessor left me this problem..." "I inherited this problem..." "That wasn't me..." "so and so was the person responsible for that..." etc, etc, etc. But by God is he ever Speedy Gonzalez getting to the award podium to take credit for any remotely positive news. It is very off-putting. I work in the real world and in that real world Barack Obama would have been long ago fired for dereliction of responsibility. Simply put, nobody wants to work alongside a whiney, pompous, insufferable jackass who refuses to show any degree of self responsibility for his own job.
Originally posted by zombiebbq
the bottom line in the U.S. is: DON'T GET SICK OR INJURE YOURSELF AT ALL. i have health insurance with the company i work for, yet i pay at least 100 dollars per visit to any doctor (or much much more, i.e. going to the emergency room or getting a "check-up", neither of which are covered) and i make slightly above minimum wage and cannot afford even a basic medical bill. so private insurance is and government health insurance would be probably too expensive for me. as it is i call up the doctor's office every time and beg for a payment plan. and i don't even have kids...edit on 15-5-2013 by zombiebbq because: ...edit on 15-5-2013 by zombiebbq because: (no reason given)