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Originally posted by hypattia
reply to post by Lady_Tuatha
Most YOUNG adolescents are intimidated by adults and taught to obey authorities. Rebellion begins a little later. Many times the adults they interact with are also authority figures, teachers, doctors, mentors, law enforcement, people in positions of power over them. The young person feels confused, afraid even if they seem willing, they may think they should "please someone", do be accepted and liked. Or if they tell anyone they will be told "oh they didn't mean anything sexual, and feel ridiculed.
This betrayal will affect these young adults for many years of their lives, feeling the only worth they have is sexual, and feel that the only acceptance they can expect is thru their sexuality. Sure... what's the crime in that?
However not criminalizing 2 sexually consenting 16 and 17 year olds, or 17 and 18 year-olds, levels the playing field by the emotional, mental, equality of the participants.
How incredibly ignorant this is. Yes it does not compare to actual rape, and murder. "She said that "touching a 17-year-old's breast, kissing a 13-year-old, or putting one's hand up a 16-year-old's skirt" are not crimes comparable to gang rapes and murders and "anyone suggesting otherwise has lost touch with reality". However that makes it not a crime?! Ok, then stealing, vandalism, animal cruelty etc, is not murder, so no big deal either.
In relative terms powerful adults are being PERSECUTED by powerless 13 year-olds? Sounds like an oxymoron! Having once been a young adolescent myself, I can recall thinking I cannot wait until I can have control over my own life, so that I do not have to endure abuse from "old men" that had control over my life. You cannot imagine the feeling of betrayal you feel from people who you were told had your best interests at heart and oh yes, they love you and you should try it, it feels good no matter how much you did not want to. I do not know of any 13, 14 year olds, that are sexually attracted to anyone over 20. If they are it is usually attributed to having already been molested, and have become sexualized before they were emotionally and mentally prepared.
I never felt I had a childhood. Old men who already had their life, should have the option to control a young person's life for their own sexual enjoyment, because their sexual gratification is a priority over a young adolescent's mental and emotional health? I have 3 adult children, and I am grateful they have never had to experience being forced to bloom before they were ready, with some old creep.
Originally posted by lampsalot
Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
I wonder if she would hold the same views if she had been abused as a child?
I actually wouldn't be too surprised if that is the reason she does hold those views.
Originally posted by Baddogma
There is one comic's thought provoking take on the matter of pedophilia. Louis C.K., an American comedian, makes a point in one of his shows that perhaps we shouldn't take child-rape so seriously in that maybe then the children wouldn't be killed as often. The children are routinely killed because the perpetrators don't want to get the severe penalties that are attached to the act. If it was more routine and not such a universally condemned act, then they'd be less likely to hide their deeds with murder.
Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
i posted this on the other thread but....
In the Vatican the age of consent is 12…..
Vatican State 
While the Vatican State has not made its own complete separate criminal code, and generally uses the Italian criminal code that was in effect at the time of the Lateran Treaty, there are exceptions to this rule. The "Law of the Source of Law" of the Vatican State requires that any Italian laws must first defer to divine law, to Papal decrees, and to canon law. As the Vatican understands divine law, all sex outside of marriage is illicit, and therefore the only lawful consent that may be made for sexual relations is the consent between a husband and a wife. Canon 1083 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law states that "A man before he has completed his sixteenth year of age and a woman before she has completed her fourteenth year of age cannot enter into a valid marriage."  Thus, assuming the couple is married, the minimum age of consent for lawful sexual relations according to Vatican law is 14 for females, and 16 for males.
Originally posted by Cinrad
However it is 13 in Spain - Sickos!
Originally posted by Cinrad
Never worried me, I think you should be married before engaging in physical intimacy.