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I never said our society is perfect. Yours is not perfect either
STILL haven't answered my questions
regarding the treatment of girls and
women in India, or the case of the
Westboro Baptist Church "defectors."
You did say something about Christians recognizing homosexuality as healthy and normal lifestyle... which you say is the "truth", and supported by the DSM.
Paul is rather explicit in his stance regarding homosexuality. Romans 1:27 is another example.
Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions.
Their ideas and practices are the work of men, not necessarily supported by the book they supposedly follow.
Well, I include many portions of the Bible in my religion as well....
wildtimes, is it by any chance equally possible that the problems in your society are due to prevalent beliefs and ideas that influence the people to act in certain immoral ways?
YES I know the extent of domestic violence! There are MANY, MANY people working to stop it, to PREVENT it, and I am one of those people - for God's sake!! Did you not catch that I was a mental health clinician?
The rise of the welfare state in the
1960s contributed greatly to the
demise of the black family as a
stable institution. The out-of-
wedlock birth rate among African
Americans today is 73%, three times higher than it was prior to the
War on Poverty. Children raised in
fatherless homes are far more
likely to grow up poor and to
eventually engage in criminal
behavior, than their peers who are raised in two-parent homes. In
2010, blacks (approximately 13%
of the U.S. population) accounted for 48.7% of all arrests for homicide,
31.8% of arrests for forcible rape,
33.5% of arrests for aggravated
assault, and 55% of arrests for
robbery. Also as of 2010, the black
poverty rate was 27.4% (about 3 times higher than the white rate), meaning that 11.5 million blacks in
the U.S. were living in poverty.
Nevertheless, your question was posed to me about my basis for my making a truthful observation about the secular aspects of an ordinary part of human life. No problem asking somebody about the factual basis of some statement they made. Big problem saying that that's somebody else's basis for some other statement that the other person might or might not make.
Paul is describing the punishments for idolatry in that passage.
The usual Christian view is that the Bible is a work of men, aided or inspired by the divine. It is especially crucial for Christians that the New Testament be the work of men, otherwise Christianity wouldn't be a historical religion.
You do not accept Paul as a religious authority, you use him only for rebuttal.
The middle east is the most chaotic part of the world right now, with genocide after genocide taking place every day. Is it at all possible that Muslim beliefs influence Muslims to act immorally?
You should be asking yourself the same question. If Christian beliefs shape the way people act immorally, can't the same be said for Muslim beliefs?
The middle east is the most chaotic
part of the world right now, with
genocide after genocide taking place
every day. Is it at all possible that
Muslim beliefs influence Muslims to act
You said Christians recognize homosexuality as normal and healthy.
You were saying something earlier about Christians recognizing homosexuality as a normal and healthy lifestyle, something you say is the "truth". The truth according to who? Homosexuals? Their supporters? Christians who run gay churches?
something you say is the "truth".
Also Old Testament laws regarding shellfish and fabrics has no bearing on the New Testament rulings on homosexuality. Christianity teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Period.
Homosexuality itself is described as a "degrading" passion, as in the verse you quoted... NOT "healthy and normal".
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. 29 They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips 30and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents. 31They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them
Ever noticed that every verse on "marriage" ALWAYS involves a man and a woman?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by logical7
If the U.S. isn't acting on Christian beliefs then what "beliefs and ideas" were you talking about?
I meant beliefs of
individualism, greed, lust etc being
glorified rather than condemned.
the simple thing is that the society you are defending is decaying and the reason is some of its wrong values and beliefs. There are attempts made to 'cure' the bad effects of those wrong values rather than changing the values and going for 'prevention'
Are you also including the chaos caused by the US invasions and bombings? You know, the ones started by a certain Christian president.... and fought by soldiers who would identify as Christians?