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when I asked you to back up your claim, and point out where God or prophets are mentioned there, you can't.
The only Biblical truth on point is that a Bronze Age Israelite state forbade some kinds of adult consensual expression of human love within its borders. The same state forbade the eating of pork and shell fish, the wearing of clothing with more than one kind of material, gathering sticks on the sabbath, and many. many other "moral" lapses.
You can preach what you think somebody else's religion should be, but you have no basis to pontificate about what anybody else's religion is.
The majority of Christians who revere the Tanakh do not believe that it should be read in the way you propose that they should read it. Thus, their reading is consistent with their own religion, and contradictory to yours.
You were saying something earlier about Christians recognizing homosexuality as a normal and healthy lifestyle, something you say is the "truth". The truth according to who? Homosexuals? Their supporters? Christians who run gay churches?
Christianity teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Period.
You are welcome here if you love people whose bodies look like yours,
or if you love people whose bodies are different,
for here, we are all the body of Christ.
I'm just reading the bible for what it is.
they are not, however it would be nice of you if you explained what you meant especially when you are claming now that it was not a sneeky, covert remark on God and all prophets.
I'l be apologising to you if you clear that you meant something else.
Practically on a daily basis, right here, and I write to my Congressmen. I vote. I think that war should be stopped ALL OVER THE WORLD.
Where is YOUR apology for all the wars and bloodshed caused by YOUR government? When have you condemned the actions of your government?
Do you also expect Christians to come forward and say they condemn the actions of pedophile priests?
Do you also expect regular American folks to come forward and say they condemn the action of their bloodthirsty governments?
either Islam is not correct or what you have been believing till now is not correct or
both are partially not correct.
Whatever the case you are obliged by your own intellect to find out.
There is going to be a Judgement Day and everyone will be judged by their sincerity.
The DSM, for the last 40 years or so, assuming I need a citation for such an obvious proposition.
Paul's reference, by the way, was not to adult voluntary homosexuality but to the exploitation of boys, that is children, as prostitutes.
Apparently your vast experience of Christianity doesn't include the Old South Chruch
You are welcome here if you love people whose bodies look like yours, or if you love people whose bodies are different, for here, we are all the body of Christ.
Just like everybody else, Scorpie. What you take from it, that's your call. What anybody else takes from it, that's their call. You have no say.
You think they are mistaken? Great. You claim they contradict themselves? You're wrong.
YES. And we DO.
So do Christians live by the DSM's version of the "truth" on homosexuality? Interesting.
Paul said nothing about boys there.
While they are entitled to their beliefs, it really doesn't change the fact that the Bible condemns homosexuality as sin.
There is nothing I can do when Christians pretend the Bible does not condemn homosexuality as a sin.
You claiming the Bible does not condemn homosexuality as a sin.... your'e wrong.
Obviously, and my own intellect is telling me that the Abrahamic religions are not correct. I believe that I have made myself clear about that.
You may recall that you told eight bits:
"you cannot start with an assumption,
present it as a fact and build a whole
arguement on it." Yet you say "There is going to be a
Judgment Day..." !! Which is entirely an
ASSUMPTION on your part..
Even if you don't believe
it, you can't help but agree that sincere
seeking is the only right way.
The only "fact" on which your entire
belief system is organized is that an
illiterate tribesman who married a 6-
year old girl and consummated that
marriage when she was NINE YEARS
OLD, 1400 years ago, suddenly announced that he was "channeling"
the angel Gabriel. That can NOT BE
PROVEN AS FACT. You can admire and
memorize Qur'an all you like, but it
does not make the words written into
FACTS - it only means the book itself was written.
I have stated that Religion Does Not
Create Morality, as evidenced by the
FACT that there are many, many moral
people who have no faith or belief in
the "God" that you imagine it to be. You have not made an adequate case
to refute that.
You asked me, a secular person, the basis for my statement about some of the secular aspects, normalcy and healthiness, of homosexuality. I gave you a secular answer, from the standard reference in much of the world for questions about mental health. I didn't say anything about what Christians live by.
Paul was dead an awfully long time before English-speakers first thought he was talking about gay people... which he wasn't.
I don't know where you and Scorpion get your "numbers" or ideas about sexual orientation and people "going gay", or that women are forced into prostitution because of it, but they are absurd.
I got the data by a simple internet search, you can do it too,
what is it that you can't believe?
5 million more women?(just check census)
1 million prostitutes?
reducing age at which girls are entering prostitution?
propose stricter moral laws and/or belief in God and accountability here and on Judgement day. would you just keep denying my proposal or suggest anything effective other than unicorn ponies
Their Christian community (you do realize that The Body of Christ is a Christian term of art, right?) welcomes practicing homosexuals as members. The church, not Scorpie, decides who is fit for membership.
There seems to be diversity of opinion about that, however, among people who include the Bible in their religion. Neither of us does so. Thus, it really doesn't matter whether you think I am wrong about some Bible topic or not.
Treating women like subhumans is illegal in the west.
It is illegal to go naked in the streets, or to have sex in public.
You think its "freedom" or something warm and fuzzy, but somebody else would think western society treats women as pieces of meat.
How is forcing a woman to cover herself up except hands and face not "treating them like pieces of meat"? You're all so out of control that if some leg or arm - or God forbid HAIR - shows you go berserk?
It's backward and pathetic and indicates an OBSESSION with sex that is unhealthy, and an utter lack of self-control on the part of the men who force them to do so.
the body can be a beautiful thing and is nothing to be hidden in shame.