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Quite an assumption. Are Jews, making up less than 1/2 % of the world's population, the only ones who are critical of Islam as it is showing itself today? And "racist?" What race? I think you picked the wrong name to call.
The author must be a Jew. This is a racist propaganda piece based on distortions.
Even in Islam's golden years, the case has been argued that the advances came from militarily conquered populations, especially from Assyria. Here's a letter written in 2001 that powerfully addresses that point. www.ninevehsoft.com...
I’ll end by telling a story. There was once a civilization that was
the greatest in the world. It was able to create a continental
super-state that stretched from ocean
to ocean, and from northern climes to
tropics and deserts. Within its
dominion lived hundreds of millions of
people, of different creeds and ethnic origins. One of its languages became the
universal language of much of the
world, the bridge between the
peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies
were made up of people of many
nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and
prosperity that had never been
known. The reach of this civilization’s
commerce extended from Latin
America to China, and everywhere in
between. And this civilization was driven more
than anything, by invention. Its
architects designed buildings that
defied gravity. Its mathematicians
created the algebra and algorithms
that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of
encryption. Its doctors examined the
human body, and found new cures for
disease. Its astronomers looked into
the heavens, named the stars, and
paved the way for space travel and exploration. Its writers created thousands of
stories. Stories of courage, romance
and magic. Its poets wrote of love,
when others before them were too
steeped in fear to think of such things. When other nations were afraid of
ideas, this civilization thrived on them,
and kept them alive. When censors
threatened to wipe out knowledge
from past civilizations, this civilization
kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others. While modern Western civilization
shares many of these traits, the
civilization I’m talking about was the
Islamic world from the year 800 to
This letter was sent to Carly Fiorina,
CEO of Hewlett Packard Corporation,
in response to a speech given by her on September 26, 2001.
November 7, 2001
3000 Hanover Street
Dear Madame Fiorina:
It is with great interest that I read
your speech delivered on September
26, 2001, titled "Technology,
Business and Our way of Life: What's
Next" [sic]. I was particularly
interested in the story you told at the end of your speech, about the Arab/
Muslim civilization. As an Assyrian, a
non-Arab, Christian native of the
Middle East, whose ancestors reach
back to 5000 B.C., I wish to clarify
some points you made in this little story, and to alert you to the dangers
of unwittingly being drawn into the
Arabist/Islamist ideology, which
seeks to assimilate all cultures and
religions into the Arab/Islamic fold. I know you are a very busy woman,
but please find ten minutes to read
what follows, as it is a perspective that
you will not likely get from anywhere
Originally posted by charles1952
I don't think Afghanistan was a thriving, modern nation before the US, or even the Soviets, arrived.
I couldn't agree more completely. Mideast is a valuable asset, a huge help to this thread. Another poster has pointed out why this thread is working. It's because of the posters themselves. This is a great group which is treating the subject, and each other, well.
This is a great thread. I will be reading the entire thing tonight.
But I want to say that having the user 'mideast" at ATS is outstanding.
I'm not sure that bradening this topic by replacing "Islam" with "all religion" is helpful. Certainly we can see less emphasis on science in Islam and Islamic countries than in Christian or Jewish ones. I was powerfully swayed by the Nobel Prize in Science figures.
Religion imho is a mental illness, a part of the brain developed to protect the conscious mind from the realities of death.
Do you think that Islam is taking the side of religion in your dichotomy, and therefore intentionally shutting out technology?
Technology and religion will not coexist
For as long into the future as anyone can see now, the death rate for the individual human will be 1. Do you think we will be immortal? If Islam chooses religion over technology, does that mean they are delaying our longer lifespans and should switch to a more scientific model?
The real today is with a healthy fear of death humanity can overcome it.
The pictures in the article showed uncovered women with bare legs in a music store, apparently buying rock and roll music. That must be a different kind of Islam, one not much practiced today. It looked really good back then. Have we gone forward because of Islam, or backward? (I know either side could be argued, but I admit to having a preference.)
Record stores, Mad Men furniture, and pencil skirts -- when Kabul had rock 'n' roll, not rockets.
You say Islam discourages scientific progress yet Islam went through a golden age when Islam was being followed completely.
I don't think I do agree, especially if Islam's problem is seen as corrupting influences from the outside. Will Islam build a giant wall? Shut down the Internet? Will Muslims become better, more pure, more scientific, if they are kept away from the world?
So i think you may agree that for muslims to progress scientifically, we should practice Islam more strongly and kick out any impurities like nationalism, racism, greed that crept in from outside influences.
You're quite right, I may be causing confusion, my sincere apologies.
OP, You appear to be conflating Arab and Muslim. They're overlapping groups, but all Arabs on Muslims. There are Christian Arabs in fact.
Please forgive any harshness I might exhibit, but this charge is getting boring. You do know that at the time of Galileo's case, the vast majority of the scientists of the day went against him. They saw him as being unscientific. Additionally, the Church has apologized several times for that error. Aren't there any other cases? That's the only one that seems to keep cropping up over 2000 years. I have never seen people explaining why the vast number of foundational scientific thinkers have been Catholic.
You want to talk about a stupefying religion? Try Catholicism and certain Protestant sects. What religion was it that got on Galileo's case? Catholicism.
Once again, I haven't a clue, no information, no opinion, I've got nothing for you.
Old memory could be wrong but I believe I remember reading that before assassinating them became a sport for some, the Palestinians had the highest per capita number of PHd in the world. Unless we're talking Christian or Jewish Palestinians it would seem to poke a big hole in your theory, no?
RAMALLAH – The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) Monday said that there were 11.6 million Palestinians in the world at the end of 2012.
PCBS said in a press release that about 4.4 million Palestinians are living in the Palestinian territories, of which 2.7 million are in the West Bank and 1.7 million in the Gaza Strip.
Originally posted by charles1952
Keeping Plato is a wonderful thing. I'd like some help though, I thought the texts were preserved in monasteries by the Church. Please, fill me in on my history.
Personally, I am grateful to elements of Muslim cultures from throughout history. I am lately especially grateful that they held on to the Plato long enough for the Western dark age to pass.
Originally posted by christina-66
It's already been said on this thread - all religion halts progress. I have no doubts whatsoever that Christianity's expansion in the west held us back for over a thousand years. For goodness sake, Galileo was kept under house arrest (for 15 years until he died) for daring to claim that the Earth wasn't at the centre of the universe. Christianity also has ridiculous doctrines like 'Papal Infallibility' - which, in recent times, meant that Pope Jean Paul II could, in all seriousness tell the Christian population of Africa that a condom would not save them from AIDS, which led to an epidemic. Ridiculous.
The essay in the op is merely thinly disguised prejudice and bigotry pretending to be founded on intellectualism. It's not - it's an emotive piece designed to engender a divisive sense of superiority.
edit on 22-4-2013 by christina-66 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by freedomSlave
reply to post by charles1952
I find everyday people of the Islam faith I have met are the most genuine helpful people I have ever met . of all the religions out there Islam I actually do have the most respect for . I am just a white guy from a multicultural city .
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by buster2010
I hope you don't mind if I intrude on your conversation with LadyGreenEyes.
I believe the point of the essay was dealing with Islamic scientific advancements over long periods of time. Of course, being bombed doesn't do your infrastructure any good, but even before the fighting were there Apple stores, cell phone towers, community colleges, and sewage treatment plants all over the countryside? I don't think Afghanistan was a thriving, modern nation before the US, or even the Soviets, arrived.
And what is the main reason behind a lot of the deplorable conditions? It couldn't be because many of these places have been bombed to death over the last few decades?
I'm still stunned by the idea that there has been only one Muslim who has ever won a Nobel Prize in any of the Sciences. That seems to me to be the equivalent of flipping "heads" 50 times in a row. It just can't be chance.
Charles1952edit on 21-4-2013 by charles1952 because: Spelling