Why does Boston celebrate Martial Law with chants of ‘USA, USA’?

reply to post by marg6043


I can't speak for what other people experienced. All I can say is that I didn't experience anything that would qualify as an infringement on my rights (and I'm a full on Libertarian).

Originally posted by redtic

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by neo96

 

They were celebrating the fact that they were able to leave their homes and walk the streets.

They were celebrating the fact that the authorities deemed it safe enough for the people to have their rights back.

They were chanting and shouting and thanking the people who took away their rights.

They were thanking the 9000 who forced them to stay at home and not work or go out or to travel.

They were thanking the ones who traded their freedom for security.

(If you haven't figured it out by now, I'm very disappointed in Boston and Watertown right now)

Oh, christ, don't be so dramatic. Tell me, what should they have done so the good people of Boston didn't have to "trade their freedom for security"? How would your solution to all this have played out? What I see here was an extraordinary response to an extraordinary situation - if this was happening on a daily basis, which it's not, then I'd be concerned. In the scenario that played out, no other innocents lost their lives and the suspect was caught alive - best possible outcome.

People commit murder every day. There are manhunts for armed, out of control, and dangerous people going on on a regular basis. I fail to see how this situation is so extraordinary. I get that it was atrocious, and that it's an emotionally charged issue, but that doesn't make it something it's not. A man committed a violent crime, and a total lock-down of a city took place to hunt this guy down.

Let me reiterate. This crime is not unprecedented. It is only the response which was unprecedented.

Let me further elucidate my view. I agree that, from all public appearances, this situation turned out as well as it could of. Nothing horrible or overtly tyrannical occurred. However, it does set an interesting precedent, and an interesting message to those in power, of how we'll respond to these types of activities.

reply to post by jam321


I always believe they were armed anyway, but I can tell you what else we got after 9/11, The anti patriot act, homeland of deception, Guantamo bay, The President’s Surveillance Program (PSP), Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Amendments of 2008, Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (DNI and NCTC), National Defense Programs, Stellar Wind (The largest data base and surveillance of American citizens)

Are we safer now that before?

reply to post by TheHonestMan


I am very grateful that you took the time to post your personal experience and I thank you for it. ATS is a conspiracy board after all so is much speculation going around.

reply to post by neo96

I thought it was because of the North Hollywood shootout ?

Here's my proof. And this doesn't even include what they buy with all the seizures they do. But if you want to believe North Hollywood, that's fine with me.

So much money has gone into armoring and arming local law-enforcement since 9/11 that the federal government could have rebuilt post-Katrina New Orleans five times over and had enough money left in the kitty to provide job training and housing for every one of the record 41,000-plus homeless people in New York City. It could have added in the growing population of 15,000 homeless in Philadelphia, my hometown, and still have had money to spare. Add disintegrating Detroit, Newark and Camden to the list. Throw in some crumbling bridges and roads, too.

www.thenation.com...

Peace

reply to post by marg6043

Are we safer now that before?

Are we ever safe from terrorism? Are we ever safe from being a victim of a crime? My answer is no. As for your question, my answer is that we are still in the same boat we have always been in. No amount of legislation or increase in LEO's is going to prevent crazy people from trying to attack us and undoubtedly some will succeed.

You're all, every one of you, falling for it. Freeman said "This is all being done for your reaction." Congratulations... Tag! You're it!

Truth is, it's all psyops. We're all being subjected to this, for our reaction, it's all experimental research! The facts? All suspicious. Every single time. All things being equal, the most likely cause is the most likely. Conspiracy! Not theory, maybe theory in some ways, but something's wrong here!!!!!!!!!

I subscribe to an RSS feed of ATS, and every single of my 10 feed headlines were about this punk-a@@ boston crap. You pansies need to go cry to facebook and shut up here unless it's about facts. This is a conspiracy forum!!!!!!!!!

MK is alive and ongoing. Now we're all in the subject phase.

Strap in!

reply to post by jam321


Exactly, billions of dollars if not trillions on waste and abuse with new bills and old bill reforms are more geared at population control than actually following terrorist around the nation, we still have our borders wide open, so that is a good indication that security is not what the government is after.

reply to post by marg6043

we still have our borders wide open, so that is a good indication that security is not what the government is after.

Don't know if you realize this, but these terrorist don't seem to be coming in through the open borders. Many of them have entered legally. But I agree it isn't really about security, more about control IMO.

Originally posted by TheHonestMan
This thread is absolutely ridiculous. Does anyone that posted in here actually live in Boston and know first hand what happened? Or is everyone just jumping to conclusions based on the bits and pieces that they've heard?

First off, I live in Back Bay about a 5-10 minute walk from the site of the bombings. My office is literally across the street from the area that is still closed for investigation. Yes, the area may have looked like martial law for the past few days, but it was far from it. The police/soldiers were there to prevent another attack - not take away people's rights. They did not stop, question, or search anyone. I walked by dozens of officers everyday, and they never once interacted with me. That's no where near martial law, so stop the exaggerations and drama.

Secondly, the governor did request people to still indoors on Friday in all of Boston, as they did not know where the suspect was at that time. This was a request not a demand. Taxi service was still running for people who needed to travel. Let's stop pretending that people were forced to stay indoors. As for the searches of homes in Watertown, I would believe that everyone voluntarily complied to assist in the capture of the suspect. The individuals in that area knew how dangerous the suspect was from the incident that occurred earlier in the morning.

I've seen many posts talk about how it was 9,000 officers vs. just one 19 year old. They always tend to leave out the fact that this 19 year old was heavily armed. Over 200 rounds were fired in Watertown very early Friday morning. I was listening to the police scanner and the officers reported explosives/grenades being thrown at them during the chase. An MIT officer was killed, and an MBTA officer was severely injured and still in critical condition. This "19 year old" was extremely dangerous, and the large number of officers was a precaution to help prevent another innocent person from dying.

The cheers of "USA" was for the first responders putting their lives on the line and working tirelessly for nearly 24 hours.

Overall, I did not have to sacrifice 1 single right during this past week. The situation was nowhere near martial law. Yes, the number of police and soldiers was increased in the area in case of another attack. Not quite sure how that equates to forfeiting our rights. Again - if you weren't there to experience it, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

edit on 20-4-2013 by TheHonestMan because: (no reason given)

"anyone that posted in here actually live in Boston" - yup im in Roslindale. and I could have Written exactly what you just did. I hate the drones, the street cameras, the patriot act, …. But what just happened in Boston was cops defending their city, just the way it should be.

I think we have “conspiratorial correctness” going on rather than “political correctness.” What people are implying just was not the case, it was the opposite.

When a guy is throwing hand grenades outside your house where your kids are, seeing 50 cop cars race down the street after him is not a government takeover, it’s what paying your taxes is for.

reply to post by jam321


Oh, I agree, I also believe we have sleeper cells in our nation, as soon the Boston tragedy happen the first thing that came into my mind was sleeping cells.

It seems like something from an old Russian spy movie but they are real.

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by Moshpet
reply to post by neo96

 

What you are missing,is a sense of ready closure. Unlike 9_11, there is someone to bring to trial .
And the sense of real justice being attainable.

Your mileage may vary.
M

Comparing the Boston bombing to 9-11 is premature as previously stated no one knows the motivation behind it.

Yep opinions do vary with mileage.

Well, it seems that the brothers did more than set off the bombs, if they did that....

The brothers shot and killed a college security officer, carjacked an SUV and hurled explosives at police in Watertown, Mass., authorities said.

NBC News learned that counterterrorism officials were examining possible links between the brothers and the Islamic Jihad Union of central Asia, a terrorist group.

usnews.nbcnews.com...

The door to door search may have been a bit intense, but how would anyone know what else these two were up to and what connections they had? Chechens from Russia....yikes The Russian govt is trying to distance themselves from this, and so is the Chechen govt.

Chris Matthews was trying to tie it to right wing extremists. I wonder what wing Chechenya is?

Maybe it's false flag, maybe not.

Leave it to the UK to do our reporting for us.

www.mirror.co.uk...

Says the FBI were tracking a sleeper cell of 12, a secret group and that the two were not working alone.

More than 1,000 FBI agents were last night working to track down the cell and arrested a man and two women 60 miles from Boston in the hours before Dzhokhar’s dramatic capture after a bloody shootout on Friday.

“They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.”

A specialist team of CIA and FBI interrogators was yesterday flown to a Boston hospital to grill wounded Dzhokhar, 19, about the secret group. The University of Massachusetts student was caught on Friday after hiding out in a boat parked in a garden in locked down Watertown the day after a gun battle with police left his 26-year-old brother and a rookie cop dead.

and what other news group reported this

Dzhokhar is said to have run his brother over as he escaped in a stolen car while Tamerlan lay handcuffed on the ground. They were carrying six bombs with them at the time, three of which ­exploded, as well as a handgun and rifle. The devices were thought to be pipe bombs.

www.mirror.co.uk...

"Why does Boston celebrate Martial Law with chants of ‘USA, USA’?"

That's just sheeple-talk for "BAAAA, BAAAA!'

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


The FBI investigated one of the brothers in 2011, and subsequently cleared they had their names,address's, and all the relevant info already in their database

Would not have taken too much to run it internally and go set up a search warrant and seize them both at home instead of panicking an entire city.

Originally posted by Boston
"anyone that posted in here actually live in Boston" - yup im in Roslindale. and I could have Written exactly what you just did. I hate the drones, the street cameras, the patriot act, …. But what just happened in Boston was cops defending their city, just the way it should be.

I think we have “conspiratorial correctness” going on rather than “political correctness.” What people are implying just was not the case, it was the opposite.

When a guy is throwing hand grenades outside your house where your kids are, seeing 50 cop cars race down the street after him is not a government takeover, it’s what paying your taxes is for.

THANK YOU! You summed up my thoughts exactly. I dislike "big government" as much as the next guy. But I never once felt like the police/FBI/National Guard were there to infiltrate our lives. It was pretty clear their only task was to catch the suspects and leave us alone.

reply to post by neo96


That is one of the things that have been bothering me about the whole Boston police pony show, with all the money been allocated to surveillance, intelligence and training of specialized forces this whole issue could have been done quietly and behind the scenes, but why the pony show.

I guess because is all about agendas.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

The FBI investigated one of the brothers in 2011, and subsequently cleared they had their names,address's, and all the relevant info already in their database

Would not have taken too much to run it internally and go set up a search warrant and seize them both at home instead of panicking an entire city.

edit on 20-4-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Then you are saying they should have arrested these two guys before the fact? Not to mention the younger one just got his citizenship. I've heard the older one had some pretty dicey jihad stuff on social media. But alas he was in Russia for 6 months.

reply to post by marg6043

but why the pony show

Got to test out the new toys and see if they live up to their hype.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Then you are saying they should have arrested these two guys before the fact?

What I am saying is they should have done their job searched their own files instead of plastering their photos all over the news.

They already had everything they needed, and they got that MIT cop killed for no reason.

What I mean is after the bombing what followed was BS.

reply to post by marg6043

It seems like something from an old Russian spy movie but they are real.

Yep, that's why I've been saying. They are from Russian provinces with family in Russia to boot.

Maybe what Neo says does make sense if we think the shadow govt is allowing these people to hang around and do their thing. Maybe Obama let it happen, just like everyone says Bush let it happen.