Why does Boston celebrate Martial Law with chants of ‘USA, USA’?

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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:43 AM
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They imposed a lockdown.

It doesn't matter if it was for 12 hours or 12 minutes or 12 days.

And the people complied. They behaved. They obeyed.

Once the guy was caught, they cheered. USA, USA


In essence, they said, "Thank you for denying our liberties for 12 hours."

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I'm about done with this. I'll run the risk of simply repeating myself. Many here are okay with what happened. Many are not. I'll patiently wait for the next DHS or TSA thread to start and see who is all talk.

Because when you get right down to the core of the matter, many who decry the impositions of freedoms by the DHS or TSA or Patriot Act, ran to the DHS and cheered them. Because it got scary.

*beezzer throws his hands in the air and walks away, shaking his head*
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:44 AM
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"And to the REPUBLIC for which it STANDS"


This is not about pledging to the flag. The Globalists have no allegiance to any sovereign nation anyway. Thanks for supporting that.

The question I have is, who is ultimately responsible for radicalization?
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer

They imposed a lockdown.

It doesn't matter if it was for 12 hours or 12 minutes or 12 days.

And the people complied. They behaved. They obeyed.

Once the guy was caught, they cheered. USA, USA


In essence, they said, "Thank you for denying our liberties for 12 hours."



The duration actually does matter because it shows the precaution was directly tied to the emergency. This is why no sane person objects to evacuations while natural disasters are occurring, but they do object when the evacuations are maintained after the natural disasters are over.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:49 AM
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I don't believe it's celebrating martial law, I believe it's lending a hand to the police who are trying to catch a couple suspects who bombed the Boston Marathon... Its obvious that its easier to do searches and sweeps of areas without a couple million people out and about... You people act like this is common place, like the police in Boston do this when some crackhead shoots his dealer on the corner... They did this because of a "terror" like attack, if this was happening every day with every little/big crime out there, then I would agree with you, but its not, this happened in a VERY rare circumstance...



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by muzzleflash
 


"And to the REPUBLIC for which it STANDS"


This is not about pledging to the flag. The Globalists have no allegiance to any sovereign nation anyway. Thanks for supporting that.


Republic? Check this out:
Weimar Republic
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
People's Republic of China
Democratic People's Republic of Korea (NK)
Islamic Republic of Iran

Those are the official names that were / are used.
Just because a nation is a "Republic", doesn't mean much.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
I don't believe it's celebrating martial law, I believe it's lending a hand to the police who are trying to catch a couple suspects who bombed the Boston Marathon... Its obvious that its easier to do searches and sweeps of areas without a couple million people out and about... You people act like this is common place, like the police in Boston do this when some crackhead shoots his dealer on the corner... They did this because of a "terror" like attack, if this was happening every day with every little/big crime out there, then I would agree with you, but its not, this happened in a VERY rare circumstance...


If the police hadn't advised everyone to stay inside, it is quite possible several (even dozens) of innocent people would die. Then all the people on this forum would be saying, "The cops were in on it! If they didn't want the terrorist to kill people, why didn't they put the city on lockdown? If it was such a serious threat, why didn't they tell everyone to stay home for the day?"



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:58 AM
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yah yah yah I'm familiar with the rant against nationalism because Germany did it. Today it's an excuse to not be Patriotic to a particular nation. As I have said, the Globalists have no national sovereignty and no loyalty to any country.

Are you sure you understand that America is a Republic? Or would you prefer to call it a Democracy like all the Democrat Progressives like to say? Oh wait, Germany was and still is a Democracy. Hitler won by an election did he not?

I don't even understand why you and others are making a big deal out of it, but I do know that our current POTUS refused to wear a flag pin and it isn't because he's Patriotic.

But now I think you just answered the USA USA chant with anti American sentiment. All the libs cringe whenever anyone chants USA USA.
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I don't even understand why you and others are making a big deal out of it, but I do know that our current POTUS refused to wear a flag pin and it isn't because he's Patriotic.


He reuses to wear a flag pin because the Obama you're talking about is a figment of your imagination:
images.politico.com...



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by muzzleflash
 


yah yah yah I'm familiar with the rant against nationalism because Germany did it. Today it's an excuse to not be Patriotic to a particular nation. As I have said, the Globalists have no national sovereignty and no loyalty to any country.

Are you sure you understand that America is a Republic? Or would you prefer to call it a Democracy like all the Democrat Progressives like to say? Oh wait, Germany was and still is a Democracy. Hitler won by an election did he not?

I don't even understand why you and others are making a big deal out of it, but I do know that our current POTUS refused to wear a flag pin and it isn't because he's Patriotic.


It's intended to be a Constitutional Republic yes, but so were all of these fascist and communist hellholes.
This is where the major problem is presented:

"Form of Government" is a mere "Tool", like a gun, and can be used for good or evil.

I personally intend to aid the people of the United States in restoring belief and reverence for the Constitution and it's guiding principles. As the Constitution is guided by a spirit of Freedom and Justice, those who realize it's truths will seek to use "Government" for good.

Pledging to a flag comes no where in this at all. It's a distraction and indoctrination into worshiping authority. Completely anti-American in every way possible.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by buckrogerstime

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I don't even understand why you and others are making a big deal out of it, but I do know that our current POTUS refused to wear a flag pin and it isn't because he's Patriotic.


He reuses to wear a flag pin because the Obama you're talking about is a figment of your imagination:
images.politico.com...


No, he did refuse to wear it. He's POTUS now so he has to pretend. You seem to forget that he didn't know where to put his hand for the National Anthem. And libs still voted for him.
Here's the pic
snopes.com...

abcnews.go.com...

Obama says that wearing a flag pin is a substitute for patriotism. I personally think he is not patriotic. Certainly his wife only was proud of America when her husband became POTUS.

This is all old news though and it has nothing to do with two Chechen rebels from Russia with bombs in Boston.

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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by ThreeBears
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you're not missing anything, this is the Crucify Him Crucify Him crowd, the mega pious, mega Religious, oh so Gawdly type, Supreme above all "lesser" humans, or "dogs" as they so like to term them...doing the Usual Mob Lynch Mentality,

Of course, that's After they demand the release of the THIEF! Barabus



only difference is of course, Jesus was not throwing hand grenades at the crowed the day before …. which is kinda a big difference.
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:09 AM
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Neo96:

I get the relief to the manhunt ending, but what I don't get...(is the)...chanting USA! USA!


The chanting is a direct effect of relief and pride, but it also says something else, it says something of their perception towards the two brothers as being wholly alien to the USA! In the minds of the chanters, a foreign enemy had been overcome, and for a short period many people celebrated their country's martial supremacy. Should they be criticised for it? No, I don't believe so, even though I myself would not partake in such a spectacle, I can empathize and understand their feelings.

Neo96:

Given the fact no one knows if they have the right guy, they arrested a suspect.


That is rather disingenuous of you, Neo, he was the suspect they were searching for and thus they have the right guy.

Neo96:

They have no clue about the motivation behind the bombings.


That is not true, there are clues as to possible reasons why the brothers brought their own brand of 'terrorism' to Boston, but that is not to say that the clues will lead you to the actual truth. It was important that they captured the younger brother alive so that the 'specialised' interrogators can learn why? Before you ask me to tell you the clues, here's a couple...
1) They are Muslim, and although this does not automatically confer them as 'terrorists', they may well have been radicalised to jihadist rhetoric?
2) They are from Dagestan...an ethnically-diverse region near Chechnya, that suffers from Islamic insurgency, ethnic tensions, and acts of terrorism, and is an area from which groups like Al-Qaeda recruit.
...of course, these clues may not be true, but are applicable to the causation of their actions.

I think for many members of the ATS community their concern now is not so much the chanting, but the 'unprecedented response' made by the authorities to secure the capture of the bomber/s. The issue regarding martial law has been discussed here on this thread and in others, but the truth is, martial law was in no way declared in Boston. As true as that statement is, it would be disingenuous of me to simply leave it undiscussed.

Martial law was not declared in Boston, but it is a certainty that 'elements' of martial law were used, and used in a most benignly officious way so as not to frighten the city's citizenry. You had militarized law enforcement agencies in armoured carriers on your streets, alongside FBI and Boston's finest (but ordinary) police officers. Boston was placed in a lockdown, not by forcible means, but by advisory tactics. The city's entire transport system was shut (even though the 19 year old terrorist fled the first firefight in a car and could even switch vehicles if necessary), businesses were asked to remain closed, and citizens to remain inside their homes. All these are definitely elements of martial law, and were applied as 'common sense' advisory applications, rather than forceful subjugating orders. This 'unprecedented response' made itself a precedent for future application elsewhere in other cities, and the citizens of Boston unwittingly applauded it, and were not concerned in the slightest at what could feasibly be called a 'test of martiality' that had just been carried out in their city.

The lockdown was an overkill response to the threat, and was wholly inappropriate. It wasn't until the lockdown and advisory limits were lifted that the suspect was captured, so it didn't serve its purpose, it failed it. Advisory caution should be stated here. Becareful of the security you accept, because one day it will subjugate you .
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:13 AM
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No, he did refuse to wear it. He's POTUS now so he has to pretend. You seem to forget that he didn't know where to put his hand for the National Anthem. And libs still voted for him.
Here's the pic
snopes.com...

abcnews.go.com...

Obama says that wearing a flag pin is a substitute for patriotism. I personally think he is not patriotic. Certainly his wife only was proud of America when her husband became POTUS.

This is all old news though and it has nothing to do with two Chechen rebels from Russia with bombs in Boston.



OK, then you're saying he didn't wear a flag pin until, you know, he did wear it. Wow, what a scandal. Are you wearing your flag pin right now?

If the pledge of allegiance is so important to you, perhaps you can have some assurance from the two times he swore his Oath of Office on the bible.
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:15 AM
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I think you are picking the wrong issue to work on. Why not start with fighting Agenda 21 as it's going around the Constitution. And Common Core Standards are running over States rights.

So why not start with the important stuff?



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:16 AM
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Clothing and swearing is useless.

Policy and what actually happens on the ground level is all that matters.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by muzzleflash
 


I think you are picking the wrong issue to work on. Why not start with fighting Agenda 21 as it's going around the Constitution. And Common Core Standards are running over States rights.

So why not start with the important stuff?


Well because he asked "Why are they chanting USA USA", and so that's why I revealed it's origins over 100 years ago, and how highly questionable those origins were (socialism!?).

Agenda 21 is real too! Here is the Wiki on it in case anyone is following our discussion.

After checking out that wiki and the links it gives, anyone interested should try a few google's to look at other site's information as well.

As you can see, bringing up Agenda 21 wouldn't have been a logical reason for "Why the chanting". Yes, they are connected, but the chanting did not originate from the UN.
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:30 AM
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I can't find the picture, but the rail split at the exact same place the package is sitting. The part closest to the mail box is wrapped around the mail box. The other section is blown away from the street and upwards. This shows the bomb was placed in the middle of the rail exactly where you see the package placed with purse on top.

Glad is what not a nuke!
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:39 AM
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I'm sorry, the Pledge of allegiance is a non issue to me right now. Libs made their stand when they took it out of the classrooms. It was done to get rid of references to God in the classroom and to destroy the sense of devotion to our country.

Sorry but that is the truth here. Common Core standards are being used to further corrode our sense of Patriotic feeling about our country and why we fought the American Revolution.
Contrary to popular opinion in the ranks of liberals and academics, fascism is not a right wing activity. Germany was just pulling against the International Socialists. Again look at what Internationalism is.
Antony Sutton wrote about the lack of sovereignty in globalist elite bankers.

My suggestion is to stop looking at peripheral things like saying the Pledge because you love your country and start looking at the activities of Intl bankers who have no sense of real borders.


Looking at the broad array of facts presented in the three volumes of the Wall Street series, we find persistent recurrence of the same names: Owen Young, Gerard Swope, Hjalmar Schacht, Bernard Baruch, etc.; the same international banks: J.P. Morgan, Guaranty Trust, Chase Bank; and the same location in New York: usually 120 Broadway.



This group of international bankers backed the Bolshevik Revolution and subsequently profited from the establishment of a Soviet Russia. This group backed Roosevelt and profited from New Deal socialism. This group also backed Hitler and certainly profited from German armament in the 1930s. When Big Business should have been running its business operations at Ford Motor, Standard of New Jersey, and so on, we find it actively and deeply involved in political upheavals, war, and revolutions in three major countries.



The version of history presented here is that the financial elite knowingly and with premeditation assisted the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 in concert with German bankers. After profiting handsomely from the German hyper-inflationary distress of 1923, and planning to place the German reparations burden onto the backs of American investors, Wall Street found it had brought about the 1929 financial crisis.



Why did the Wall Street elite, the international bankers, want Roosevelt and Hitler in power? This is an aspect we have not explored. According to the "myth of 'Sidney Warburg,'" Wall Street wanted a policy of revenge; that is, it wanted war in Europe between France and Germany. We know even from Establishment history that both Hitler and Roosevelt acted out policies leading to war.


www.naderlibrary.com... Pervasive Influence of International Bankers

The above excerpts were taken from Antony Sutton's book "Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler" and demonstrate that it is not the pledging to God and country which is evil, but the monied interests making a profit off war and socialist and communist revolutions.

You missed the point of my question which is why focus on the pledge of allegiance when considering Constitutional breaches. I didn't say that Agenda 21 put bombs in Boston either, but Chechen foreign nationals did. The fact that one of them got naturalized has very little sway with me. I have asked the question why one would get US citizenship then proceed to blow things up in a marathon out of hatred for the US. Neither of them were born here and in my opinion from what we know of them they had no patriotic feelings for the USA.


It is also quite clear that people were chanting USA USA because they do have a sense of patriotism and clearly people of foreign loyalties did something which represented hatred of America.
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:43 AM
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So out of curiosity how should the local law enforcement have dealt with this situation. Everyone here seems quick to decry there actions but yet don't come up with any constructive alternatives to hunting a bomber.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 01:56 AM
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Beezer - I usually agree spot on with your posts. However, in this instance you have no idea what you're talking about. The situation that you describe is completely out of touch with what actually happened. I was there, I experienced it.

I really loved this site, but recently it's started to wear on me. People ignore readily available information in order to continue paranoid delusions that are out of touch with reality. There's a difference between questioning what we're told and making up things. More and more threads are losing sight of that difference.





 
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