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How to beat the Taliban in Afghanistan / Pakistan (and win the war on terror)

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posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Tuttle
How to beat the Taliban in Afghanistan / Pakistan:

Remove any and all foreign soldiers, dismantle any all military infrastructure including any and all alien corporate/industrial ventures operating in said region. Publicly admonish the way ward imperialistic expansions perused by previous regimes and begin immediately to construct hospitals, schools, public works and infrastructure that have been subsequently destroyed over a decade of criminal occupation.

If you remove our soldiers without the Afghans being able to keep security then when you try to build schools the Taliban will kill the builders or the teachers or the pupils.

These Taliban will stop at nothing to stop girls being educated and what they teach boys to do - become suicide bombers is not worth knowing.

Don't you remember that Pakistani school girl Malala Yousafzai got shot in the head by the Taliban? She came to Britain for surgery as this video shows and we are the ones who want to and are building schools in Afghanistan.





posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Mr Peter Dow
 


There is nothing civilized about war. War is hell. If you want to win a war, you have to kill a lot of people.

I think it is more important to arrest or kill the right people, especially the enemy leaders if you can identify them and allow for friendly leaders to take power.

But look, this enemy leader Pakistani general Musharraf, was not arrested, he was welcome at the White House and on the Daily Show.







Since Musharraf's ISI has been training and supplying the Taliban, arresting Musharraf would have done more to to win the war than killing any number of Taliban foot-soldiers in Afghanistan.

We could have arrested Musharraf at any time over the years. He has been staying in London in exile in recent years. He's gone back to Pakistan now and been arrested so that's progress at last.



Originally posted by poet1b
That is the way it is. If you want to defeat people who believe in an eye for an eye, you need to take both eyes.

Military dictators in poor countries like Musharraf of Pakistan or Mubarack of Egypt don't believe in "an eye for an eye".


These backstabbing dictators believe in secretly supporting terrorist attacks against our homelands like 9/11 or secretly supporting terrorist attacks on our troops in return for billions of US tax-payer dollars as "aid money" to the dictators who pretend to help to stop the very terrorism they are secretly organising behind the scenes.

Conning the US out of aid money is much more profitable for dictators than "an eye for an eye".


edit on 20-4-2013 by Mr Peter Dow because: addition



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 09:14 PM
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We are not winning the war on terror. If anything, we have become terrorists ourselves through killing innocent people across the Middle East. With that, we are throwing our support behind known extremists in Syria to the point we could be possibly fighting alongside them soon. How can we deem people terrorists in one country and portray other groups as freedom fighters for doing the exact same thing in another country?

While we are trying to eliminate a generation of extremists from the past, we are building a new generation of extremists while throwing them in power in certain countries also. Libya and their issues across Northern Africa (Mali) is a perfect example. The only thing we are winning is the label "Hypocracy".



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
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To get those terrorists who did 9/11


In that case, go look for those high tech al-qaeda caves that was reported on the news. That's where they are all hiding.



Hey if its on the news, then it has to be true, right?




I'll let Condi comment for me on Donald Rumsfeld.




posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by DarknStormy
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We are not winning this war on terror. Let's check out some action from Iraq.


Yesterday - According to Iraqi police, seven people were killed after mortars hit a mosque in the town of Khalis, 80 kilometers north of Baghdad, as worshippers were leavening the mosque following the Friday Prayers.

The attack also left 14 people injured and destroyed part of the mosque.

A bomb also exploded inside a mosque in Kirkuk, killing two persons and injuring 12 others.

Violence has increased in Iraq this week in the run-up to the elections, despite heightened security and a total of 14 election candidates have been already murdered."



The explosion occurred at 10:00 p.m. local time (1900 GMT) on Thursday at a small shopping mall in the capital’s Amiriyah neighborhood, AFP reported, citing unnamed officials.

Three children were among those killed, according to the officials.

No group claimed the responsibility for the attack.

Thursday’s bombing marks the latest in a spate of violence just ahead of Iraq's provincial elections on 20 April, the first in the country since 2010.

On Monday, at least 31 people were killed and more than 200 others were injured in a spate of bomb attacks across Iraq.


Thats only a couple of incidents from this week.

Incidents stoked by Iran supporting terrorism and pushing the Iraqi government to be more sectarian and divisive in its approach but go on.


Originally posted by DarknStormy.
But I guess because Allied soldiers aren't being killed, we must be winning, yeah?

Our allied soldiers paid a heavy price in Iraq because of Iran's support for their terrorists and sectarian militias in Iraq who targeted our forces and stoked a sectarian civil war but do go on.


Originally posted by DarknStormy.
How about Afghanistan?



The Taliban claim they have killed at least 15 foreign troops and 10 Afghan soldiers in the province of Helmand, in the country’s restive south.

It said the deaths occurred in the town of Sangin on Friday when a Taliban assailant blew up his explosive-laden car, targeting a joint convoy of US-led and Afghan troops.

The militants also claimed that four tanks belonging to foreign forces were destroyed in the blast.

Most of the foreign forces stationed in Helmand province are American and British.



The International Committee of the Red Cross has warned that violence is increasing significantly in Afghanistan as the Taliban are stepping up their spring offensives.

"Spring is a good season of the year usually. But unfortunately it has a negative connotation with the resumption of the fighting. Spring and summer will be very difficult for civilians especially in the months ahead. The civilian population is bearing the brunt of this conflict," Gherardo Pontrandolfi, head of the ICRC delegation in Kabul, said on Thursday.

Iran pays the Taliban for every one of our soldiers they kill but do go on.


Originally posted by DarknStormy.
Who are we kidding?

Well you are quoting the Iranian state news agency there so that's the biggest bunch of kidders and supporters of the Iranian state sponsor of terrorism on the web and on satellite TV (but they won't be any longer if my plan gets put into effect to take out enemy satellite TV stations).


Originally posted by DarknStormy
We aren't winning anything.

Well maybe there is a prize for endurance for sticking to lame strategies despite making very slow progress with them? If so then our leaders, defense secretaries and defence ministers and generals will win the slow-boat-to-victory prize for sure.



Originally posted by DarknStormy
. But hey, at least we are getting brown people killed on a regular basis, I guess we can say that's something we have achieved really well.

No actually most of the brown people being killed are being killed by terrorists who are happy to kill brown people for such crimes as going to school in Afghanistan or falling in love or in Iraq just for going shopping, eating out and being killed because they are in the "wrong" sect according to the terrorists.



Originally posted by DarknStormy
We cannot win the war on terror because most of the time, we don't know who the hell we are meant to be attacking

Our generals don't know maybe. They should be attacking the state sponsors of terrorism, not just the Taliban foot soldiers.



Originally posted by DarknStormy
and when we finally do, we only find out we have killed innocent civilians in most cases. Great job guys, great job.

As I have said, our forces are under orders to avoid civilian casualties wherever practical but this is war so accidents happen sometimes but not "most cases", no.



edit on 20-4-2013 by Mr Peter Dow because: typos



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by ispyed

Originally posted by cleverhans
How about the US and western allies mind their own business by staying out of there and not provoking their anger in the first place?


Don't be sensible for christ's sake.

Oh well if we are bringing Jesus Christ into this, again I call the good services of Condoleezz Rice.




posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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Well, that's pretty much what they have been doing so far. Not just with the resistance fighters, but with non-combatants, women, children etc.


Yes, this is exactly what the Taliban are doing, and have been doing for centuries, and Muslims in Africa and India.

What I am describing are the tactics of Islamic jihad.

NATO has been trying to fight a civilized war against men who will not play by those rupees,

"rupees" is an inspired typo.


Originally posted by poet1b
who have no qualms about killing mom-combatants,

MILFs with guns huh?


Originally posted by poet1b
even women and children to win at all costs.

It has been said by others, to defeat Islam, we will have to wipe out 3 generations of men.

Look the enemy are a bad lot but we beat them by fighting just the enemy and not the enemy's brothers, uncles, nephews, sons and the rest.

Those who are peaceful to us we should be peaceful to them.That's the way to win this.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:50 PM
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Well, what you accuse Iran of doing is nothing that the USA haven't done in the near past and with that it could be the exact reason why things are the way they are right now. People like you have short memories, if you even understand what I'm talking about in the first place. This war on terror didn't begin after 9/11, it has been waged since the late 40's where Israel were the ones terrorising the Middle East.

When we move forward, we understand that the Mujahadeen were also weaponised and sponsored by the US government back in the 80's to fight against the Russians. Osama Bin Laden was apparently a close business partner of George W. Bush also. Check it out, you will be surprised.

The Iranian problem stems from the Iranian Revolution where an oppressive Western Shah was toppled after a CIA coupe in 1953.. Again, more acts of terrorism which could be brought to the table. After 1979, the US government funded Saddam Hussein and guess what happened? He launched an attack on Persia which would lead to Cyanide and Mustard gas killing innocent Kurds and Iranians. You can call this terrorist bs all you like. The truth is your government and ABC agencies along with the Israeli's have been behind or had some influence in the lot of them.

With that also we have uprisings in what would be called Western aligned Arab nations which are still going on right now. Where is the media on those issues when Saudi and Bahraini soldiers are killing their own people while we fund extremists to topple another leader in Syria who we find distasteful? The war on terror is the biggest load of bs of the modern era.

I bet you even think Saddam died all those years ao, don't you? Guess what, have you ever wondered why the USA walked into Iraq so easily? It's called get out of your military gear, dress up like civilians and wage your war.. You haven't won anything and now Saddam's loyalists are waging a war with the Extremists in Iraq. I cannot believe some people these days.. The extremists are not going anywhere and that is a fact.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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Sure we are winning the war on terror.

Sure we are winning, kind of, but it's not a pretty sight.

It's like the world heavy-weight champion boxer Uncle Sam boxes an unknown amateur boxer and expects to knock the new kid out in the first round but it's now the 14th round and Uncle Sam is ahead on points but is bruised and bloodied. It's not according to the form book and even though Uncle Sam is going to win on points eventually questions will have to be asked about whether Uncle Sam is losing it.

Winning isn't everything. We should have won long ago and we need to understand where we have been going wrong. My plan explains what we should have been doing all along and by not following a plan like mine - that's where we have been going wrong.


Originally posted by poet1b
Our war on terror does not mean that we need to protect all Muslims from each other.

Right, we can't police Iraq or Afghanistan - that's a job for the local government but we do have a responsibility to take reasonable steps to stop other neighbouring states from wrecking new democracies that we have poured blood and treasure into to help to make a better Middle East that doesn't generate terrorists who will be waging global jihad against us.


Originally posted by poet1b
As the oil runs out things are going to get far worse in the Middle East. This is not the responsibility of the west.

Well don't hold your breath. There's enough oil left there to kill us all if we let them spend it that way.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:00 AM
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And those are honest typos, but I liked the results.


Those who are peaceful to us we should be peaceful to them.That's the way to win this.


I agree, but this is extremely difficult to do. It is not done on a win or lose situation. We develop strategies, try them out, develop better strategies. It is the way difficult problems are solved.

Forget about win lose, think about what needs to be done next.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:26 AM
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We are in a fight that continues until somebody goes down, like the way fights used to be fought.

We are twelve years into this fight slapping around a hopelessly out matched opponent.

It looks like the only way to end this fight is to deliver the fatal blow, but we have become too civilized for such an action.

Which means we must make the long commitment, if we want to do the right thing.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:34 AM
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I agree that we should not even be in Afghanistan. But since we are there we should do something to win. My suggestion would be to run tons of hog fat through the props of an old fashion bomber, misting the whole region. Unclean for all time would mean that most of them would change religions. No more requirement for sharia law.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b
impregnate the women, and raise a new
generation.

Dead-Beat dads is a culture/epidemic of
america, what has it accomplished ?

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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 06:45 AM
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Yes, this is exactly what the Taliban are doing, and have been doing for centuries, and Muslims in Africa and India.
What I am describing are the tactics of Islamic jihad.

Western forces are killing non-combatants, women, children etc. They are just AS barbaric as you claim the Taliban are. Being clean shaven and wearing military uniforms does not exempt them from being barbaric.



It has been said by others, to defeat Islam, we will have to wipe out 3 generations of men.

Certainly not the first time genocide has been suggested as a solution to solve a problem.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 07:26 AM
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I can't believe you people are still having a discussion about killing other people?!?!?

The topic should be, Why is this even the topic.

OP you have spent 2 pages describing on how to eradicate a group of people, as in murder them. Then you base all those thoughtful thoughts on NEWS, and Western media, aka Propaganda.

Then you get the balls to call a group of people terrorists because somewhere across the ocean a group of dudes are thinking the same thing about you?!?!? But you don't get bombed, grandparents, mothers, brothers and sisters loose each other to bombs that are invented by like minded individuals such as your self, and they still manage to love one another and have families, and you are thinking about continuing the process of completely degrading a human being to nothing, and you see that as a solution to the problem that is doing just that?


i am done with this post dude, it's just terrible man.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 07:42 AM
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Illusion of war is necessary to maintain peace and government. Murder is life. Depopulation is duty. Procreation is death. Government is necessary…......
Unmanned drones
NSA surveillance cameras at every intersection
Computer cyber-security
Credit fraud protection
Satellite monitoring
Homeland Security
Transportation security
Biometric identification
Identification theft prevention
Private contracting for military
Security guards of all types
Firewalls
Anti-virus software, and every other form of terror-prevention programs.
The country is literally being transferred from a war system to a peace system preventing an external threat that doesn’t really exist but internally.
The entire economy is being set up to prevent perceived but staged terror attacks by the very government control system that supplies and promotes violent attacks so as to promote a totally defensive peace.

Peace through terror is the New World Order.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 07:57 AM
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Government is nothing but a corporation – an enterprise operation that treats people no differently than cattle in its consideration of the governed.
Think tanks and authors who make this distinction quite clear; that people are nothing but profit and loss commodities for governments disposal.
Improving kill-ammunition ratios determining local choice between precision and saturation bombing.
The shortcomings of war as a mechanism of selective population control.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 10:51 AM
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Well done, Mr Peter Dow. It seems you put in alot of effort and thought into your OP. I wish you the best.

The only pratical way to end the suffering in Afghanistan/Pakistan is to herd the taliban and ANY one who wish to revert to 7th century life to stay pure to that stage of Islam - into an enclosed bordered parcel of land SEALED with high walls and electrifying fence so that NONE may enter or leave after once it is sealed.

The Taliban are actually only previous nomads of those tribal areas, and its leaders see the juggarnaut of change and progress a threat to their way of dominating others and their lives, and very less so adherence to Islam, or they would not have carried out the carnage they had done.

This is only what they want.

So give it them. Let time stand still for them and every regressive nutjob on our planet who are not willing to share our world in peace, by giving them full control on how they wish to rot and die in regression - behind a sealed compound and undisturbed, where no progress, trade and evolution will touch them.

Those in the tribal areas whom do not share those ideals with the Taliban, espacially women and children, will be allowed to leave that compound and start a new life within a modern and democratic Pakistan and Afghanistan.

As the area may be big, building those fences and walls may cost a bomb, but then it is better than being bombed by them. Money can always be earned back, but when lives are lost, it is forever.

There are rich mineral resources outside of that proposed compound, and can be extracted to finance those structures. There will be resources inside the compound too, but it is not worth the bloodshed spilt. Once sealed,the taliban can dominate whomever is willing to live with them under their control.

Any other radical militant or cleric who continues misuing Islam to hurt and harm humans will equally be thrown over the walls into the taliban compound, to live the pure fundamental theology of the 7th century that they want to imposed upon mankind.

And with that, may the 7th century lovin idiots enjoy their 'paradise' there, undisturbed.
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:07 PM
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Western forces make a considerable effort to not harm non-combatants, women and children.

Islamic jihadist intentionally target women and children, and non-combatants. Not only that, but they hide behind the women and children in order to conduct their war. They use high birth rates as a form of conquest. This is how despicable these jihadists are.

It is also not the first time tellIng lies and twisting the truth has been used to ignore the atrocious of the Jihadists.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:12 PM
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That is an idea that could work.

This is a problem that will not just disappear.



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