Ex-military bio-enviromental engineer Kristan Meghan blows whistle on Air Force chemtrails

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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 06:17 AM
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This is one of the weakest arguments I have ever seen, and in fact falls under a few categories of logical fallacy.


And how is this a weak argument?

This was one of the major chemtrail players and now she says there is no evidence of anything being sprayed...

Well I guess your right that is a weak argument.... Kind of like your whistleblower Kristan Meghan and her patent argument..

Weak....




posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 06:22 AM
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OH! my sarcasm meter could be on the fritz



And sorry ownbestenemy if I read that wrong,its probably due to not coming into the chem/contrail threads before.

I`ll try not to let the door hit me on the way out.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 06:27 AM
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OH! my sarcasm meter could be on the fritz


No problem it took me a double look to understand it myself.

And welcome to the world of so called death in the sky AKA chemtrails..



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 06:31 AM
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I`ll try not to let the door hit me on the way out.


No need to leave you should stay and enjoy the fun...



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:13 AM
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Too bad she's not a chemtrail whistleblower. She's "blowing the whistle" on overexposure to carcinogens in ground based activities. She says so herself in the thread on metabunk. The only thing she has to do with chemtrails is believe in them, and point out patents.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:23 AM
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Well, this is interesting. She doesn't know what she is talking about, any more than any person who believes what a YT video tells them is true.

"I began to wake up to Chemtrails (and Agenda 21), monitored the white-plane flight patterns, did my own grid samplings and found barium and aluminium in the soil," so says ex-military bio-environmental engineer Kristen Meghan.
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If she was anyone who knew anything about what the military was doing, she would know that the patterns are because planes fly in all directions and that the military sometimes fly in formation.
If she was anyone who knew what she was talking about, she would know that barium and aluminum are found in just about every sample of soil and that you don't test the soil to determine what is in the air at flight altitude.

And her qualifications as a "engineer".....doubtful. She received training in how to read, interpret, and use MSDS.
So have I. I am not an engineer.
The medal she shows focusing on "bio-environmental" does not conclude in "engineer", it ends with "journeyman." Being a journeyman does not make you an engineer. She worked for engineers and with engineers. She is not an engineer. She kept the workplace a safe place to work.
Did she take aviation? Apparently not.
Aircraft maintenance? Apparently not.
Weapons specialist? Apparently not.
Meteorologist? Apparently not.
She kept the workplace a safe place at work. It's an important job, but nothing that would qualify her to know anymore than the average joe about what the white lines behind the airplanes contain or accomplish.
Her own website says she is:

I am an Industrial Hygienist and Environmental Specialist in my other life.
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She is a mother, in her early 30's, spent around 10 years in the military, and now is a "citizen journalist". Her website is "sugardecoated"...but it seems she is sugar-coating her own credentials, and/or is allowing others to do so.
Which is deceitful.
Which makes her credibility a giant fail.
That people believe her is typical of the usual "chemtrail" believer...she says what I believe, so she must be right!
As far as debunkers always trying to discredit the whistleblowers, well, DUH! If you can't trust the messenger, you can't trust the message. This is critical thinking and discernment.



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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 07:59 AM
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Nice fail. Good video. So nice of her to share her awards and training record. Bio-environmental engineer. Wow. Impressive. That's what the Air Force calls a 'hazmat coordinator' today. And she worked for the VA, in you guessed it, hazmat handling. Nice. I have the same kind of entries in my service record. My specialty was SIGINT, not what this Air Force person was talking about, but the NAVY does things a little different. It's hard to have everybody on ship with the skills you might need, so some of us get to learn other stuff, like HAZMAT. She worked in the same sort of support rating like I used to, but in the Air Force, again, they have to train they're folks a little differently. In the Navy, there are a group of people called 'CT's that provide specific and direct support to war fighters. That's what this person did too. Her 'group' is called 'Public Health Specialist' which I thought was pretty cool, because that's exactly what my daughter does. Only she specialized in going out into the field with forward deployed folks, making sure they don't get contaminated by chemical cooties and stuff like that. She also filled in at field hospitals as a surgical assistant. She also would go out on patrols and convoys if they didn't have enough medics to go around ( a big problem in Afghanistan and the Persian Gulf states I understand) there's a lot of hurting going on over there. If she had joined the Navy, we'd just call her 'Doc', because on some ships, that's all you get! A medic, and on the really small ships, google basically. I asked her to check out the video and send me a response. It's at least as good as what the SSG in the video had to say. Want to know what her response was? Meh! hazmat ain't that hard to do. That was her response. Again, nice try, slightly convincing spokesman. If someone tells you a good reason to join the military is to 'get money for college', I walk away from them as fast as I can. War fighting is a serious business. We need professional people, not people looking for a free ride. My daughter has taken time out from the Air Force too. She is in college. She is going be a registered Nurse. She graduates next year. She has been to A-stan twice, and the Persian Gulf three times. She thinks she might want to be a surgical nurse. Again, all I need to get on board with the chemtrail folks is a tiny bit off something called 'evidence'. Want me to get if for you? Getting a some goop from a tanker, piece of cake! Don't you know how to do that? I do. All I would need is a camera with a good telephoto lens and some cash. It's that easy. As far as the parts about her being 'threatened' and 'followed'. In aeronautics, that is what you would call 'departing from normal flight. In the military, you have a few options should something like that happen, you go see the skipper. you go see the jag. you go see the chaplain, and if you've got your head screwed on right, you walk out the gate, and go talk to the cops. Nice try Sarge, you fooled some of the people, some of the time. Again, where and what is your proof?



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 08:33 AM
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My daughter has taken time out from the Air Force too. She is in college. She is going be a registered Nurse. She graduates next year. She has been to A-stan twice, and the Persian Gulf three times.


First off let me thank you and your daughter for your time serving this country.

I wish her well in her studies.



Again, all I need to get on board with the chemtrail folks is a tiny bit off something called 'evidence'.


And that is all it would take to make chemtrails a reality....Evidence, but that hasn't been something chemtrail believers are able to produce.



Again, where and what is your proof?


That is something that seems to allude most whistleblowers....Just as it has with this one.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Every single person on the planet is entitled to the truth

You are 100% correct. However, the act of posting this video and using Kristan Meghan as a source is the exact opposite of giving people the truth. Let's see why...



Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
A normal person who personally disagreed would attempt to debate WHAT she said in the video.

Let's debate WHAT she said in the video, shall we?

At 4:50 in the video, she claims that aluminum occurs naturally in nature, but barium and strontium do not. That is completely false. She's either deliberately lying, or she's not very well-educated in the chemistry field herself.


* Barium
- Barium is a member of the alkaline earth metals group, which make up Group 2 (IIA) of the periodic table, and a naturally occurring component of minerals that are found in the earth's crust, especially igneous rocks, sandstone, shale, coal, aragonite, calcite, chalk, limestone, marble, travertine, magnesite, and dolomite.

- Barium enters the environment naturally through weathering of rocks and minerals.

- Barium is present in the atmosphere, surface water, soils, and many foods.


Other alkaline earth metals in the same group as barium include beryllium, magnesium, calcium, strontium, and radium. Alkaline metals are chemically active.

Barium and strontium can also become radioactive when they come in contact with other naturally occurring elements in the ground, water, and air like radium and its daughter elements, such as radon.

This is called NORM - Naturally Occurring Radioactive Material: when elements come together naturally and become radioactive.


So, of course she's going to register barium and strontium when taking any air, water or soil samples.

On the point of her receiving barium and strontium on the base, barium sulfate is used in X-ray studies of the gastrointestinal (GI) system which includes the stomach, intestines, and associated organs. Many bases will have their own hospitals and doctors for treatment of personnel.

Strontium has many uses as well including the production of glass and optical material like for eyeglasses. Which would make sense on a base with a hospital and eye doctors who can make glasses for personnel.

The alkaline earth metals also have uses in the construction industry as building materials. So, the base could be receiving those items as part of a building project.



Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Professional disinfo agents would use a different tactic, one of their favorite ones; attack the WHO/source and attempt to discredit Kristen Meghan.

She discredits herself when she automatically relates the receiving by the Air Force of barium and strontium to "chemtrails" or geo-engineering instead of the many other legitimate and common uses of those materials in the medical and construction industries.

Furthermore, she automatically discredits herself when she claims that barium and strontium (even radioactive) don't occur naturally in nature.


I keep saying it over and over: This subject exists due to the lack of proper education in the sciences, particularly meteorology and chemistry, that everyone should've been required to learn before graduating high school.

Don't believe what people like Kristen Meghan say. She's demonstrated that she doesn't have a clue of what she's talking about. Do your own research.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 11:03 AM
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A hero. Courageous. Thank you.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 11:06 AM
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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 11:10 AM
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GS-12 is a civilian rank equivalent to E-5 and requires minimally a BS degree. Her MOS is 43-EX and the base she claims to have been at Tinker USAFB is part of USAF Material Command .

Additional Tinker info..

She seems to know a lot about the workings and I would guess it is hard to get a spot on a MSM source to get this kind of info out....where should she have put it out?

43-EX link- "Specialty Shredouts:

A..................General. Possess a baccalaureate in engineering from an institution accredited by the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (ABET) or, Bachelor of Science (BS) and a Master of Science (MS) or Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in engineering from an ABET institution or, A BS degree in a science and pass the “Fundamentals of Engineering” is mandatory.

B..................Industrial Hygiene. A MS in industrial hygiene (industrial health), or certification by the American Board of Industrial Hygiene as an industrial hygienist is mandatory.

C..................Medical Construction. Baccalaureate degree in architectural, civil, mechanical, electrical, or structural engineering, from an institution accredited by ABET or a baccalaureate in facility construction from an institution accredited by a national professional accreditation board or council is mandatory.

D..................Environmental. A MS in environmental or sanitary engineering or, certification by the American Academy of Environmental Engineers is mandatory for entry.

E.................. Architecture. Baccalaureate degree in architecture from an institution accredited by the National Architectural Accreditation Board (NAAB) is mandatory for entry.

F..................Biomedical. Undergraduate academic specialization in biomedical engineering is mandatory for entry.

G..................Health Physics. A MS in health physics, radiological physics, radiation biophysics, or other health physics related subjects acceptable to the Surgeon General, HQ USAF, or A BS degree in nuclear engineering, or Certification by the American Board of Health Physicists is mandatory for entry into this shred."

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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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Interesting she has graced another forum....I will provide a link if the Mods ok it...

"Good afternoon everyone,

I found this thread by way of a friend informing me there were questions about the validity of my activism and the information I share. In the above comments there seems to be concerns about my background. I spent nine years in the USAF on active duty, the AF does not use "MOS" we use AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code). My AFSC was 4B071, I was an E-5 SSgt NCO. I completed certifications on the job from my extensive and diverse work experience and worked toward my degree while I was on active duty. Once I separated from Active Duty I was hired as a GS-12 at the VHA with the Position Description (PD) of "Industrial Hygienist/GEMS Coordinator. What GEMS mean is Green Environmental Management Systems. Another word for this is Environmental Specialist. I am currently in Grad school and working toward my CIH. With all this said, my background has little to do with my personal and professional integrity.

I have done numerous media appearances and contributed to different sites as a journalist. Any time you put yourself out there in any forum, with it brings accepting there will be times you will be assumed a liar, made fun of, mocked for physical features and have your motives questioned. I applaud those who research information any one share, too often people jump on a conspiracy bandwagon without their own critical thinking. My involvement as an activist surrounding out government infringing upon our constitutionally protected liberty is directly coordinated with my leaving the military as a whistleblower. I used to think people who questioned “everything” were a hindrance on society and a waste of time to deal with. I found that, for some, it is not until something directly impacts you on a personal level that your eyes open to what really goes on and can happen.

There have been comments made about me changing the descriptions of my job, which I disagree with. My job in the military was a multifaceted and complex, ranging from industrial hygiene, environmental, emergency response/management, and MNBC programs. One of the duties was to link hazardous materials brought on base to a specific task. In the AF us called a “3952”. Although an official form, it was also in an electronic format. Personnel would request the purchase and use of hazardous materials and it had to be approved, declined, or approved with conditions. In some cases, if in a different country, some chemicals could not be used to the host nation’s environmental laws.

To avoid this thread going into an assumption direction, I am here to answer questions and reply back on this thread, or you can email me at kristenmeghan@gmail.com"



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 11:24 AM
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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Edit: I just saw this comment in the comments section in this video, and thought it was hillarious in light of certain "types" on ATS, I'm sure you will see them shortly:


The best evidence of chemtrail existence are in the dry desert skies. "Contrails" cannot persist and form into "contrail-cirrus" clouds in warm and dry air, they evaporate and sublimate quickly, NASA and ContrailScience even state this. What they say will be used against them. Just wish it was in a Court of Law.


And we see many chemtrails yet in Arizona............

Edit: Kristan provides more documentation of her bona fides:





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go put on your best pair of shorts and a tank top, then climb aboard a hot air balloon in the desert in August. Mighty hot on the ground. Best to bring some water. Don't worry about the balloon pilot's jacket and heater. Now enjoy the flight. Try not to catch cold.



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 12:03 PM
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Interesting she has graced another forum....I will provide a link if the Mods ok it...


They will and I did on page 1 third post down..



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 12:09 PM
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First, I'll say I'm open minded about chemtrails.

There's a couple things I would also like to ask to chemtrail "deniers".

Can we really trust our government?
Can we really trust the US army?
Can we trust the officials on finding environmental friendly ways to enhance our quality of life?
Can we trust multi-billion dollar companies on making changes at the source to evade pollution, or will they do the usual, fix the problem with another problem that is also profiting?
Can we trust scientists on planet changing weather and natural patterns?
Can we trust people like Bill Gates, which agrees to world depopulation, to finance geo-engeneering with no hidden agenda and transparency.

Us sheep are fed with lies constantly by officials all for the sake of control and continuous profits by the elite.

I don't know why it would be different for chemtrails. With so many new words accepted per year, the word chemtrail not being in official dictionaries, online or not, rings a bell to my ears.

Who can we believe?
I have no pure, tangible, cold, hard facts to say that chemtrails do exist but the patterns, greed and vileness of humanity in general all point out that the chemtrail conspiracy is not to be denied, ridiculed and put aside.
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posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by theMediator
There's a couple things I would also like to ask to chemtrail "deniers".

It has nothing to do with denying. It has to do with there being no evidence, scientific or otherwise.



Originally posted by theMediator
I have no pure, tangible, cold, hard facts to say that chemtrails do exist but the patterns, greed and vileness of humanity in general all point out that the chemtrail conspiracy is not to be denied, ridiculed and put aside.

So, anyone should just make up whatever hoax conspiracy they like, and then peddle it as truth with zero evidence, and everyone should believe the hoax conspiracy because of the "greed and vileness of humanity"?

Just when you think you've heard it all.....



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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How are you determining they are only contrails by looking up at them?



posted on Apr, 13 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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My whistleblowing is not related to chemtrails, it is related to industrial ground activities that overexposed the workers and they didn't want it reported, and since I took the samples, they wanted to demonize me in case I spoke out.

It is going through what I did as a whistleblower than led to my activism. Chemtrails and the TSA are my biggest topics I am linked to.

metabunk.org...

I know we're not supposed to link to other boards, but this is relevant, as it's from her own mouth. She has nothing to do with chemtrails, except that she believes in them. She has no more knowledge of them than anyone else does, and any samples she has collected (in her own words), have to do with workers on the ground being exposed to carcinogenic materials, and not being told about it.






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