Severing Our Lifeline: The End of Electricity and Technology, page 1


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Topic started on 22-3-2013 @ 02:10 PM by smyleegrl
Greetings, ATS!

What I am about to propose is pure conjecture on my part. I have no research to share, no sources to cite, and nothing but my own suppositions with which to validate my claims. Therefore, please recognize that my topic is speculative in nature and must be discussed in the realm of common sense.

For quite some time, I’ve been concerned about society’s growing dependence on technology.

As a child, my great grandparents lived on a farm where they grew their own crops, butchered their own meat, raised chickens and cows for dairy and eggs, and were pretty much self-sufficient. They lived in the Appalachian Mountains in a “poor” community….they had electricity and it was considered a marvel (I believe electricity came to the area around the 1950s, according to my father, who was young at the time). When I visited them in the 1980s as a child, they had a huge radio and a stove and that was it for electric appliances. Eventually they were given a refrigerator (they used a spring house) and a television (which they rarely watched). In fact, the most “advanced” room in the house was the midwife guest room (my great-granny was the local midwife…she delivered over 2,000 babies and never lost one. The room was equipped with an incubator for the newborn babies).

Now, compare how the majority of us live today (in the Western societies). We are completely dependent upon electricity….without it, we cannot conserve or cook our food, communicate with anyone beyond a few mile radius, etc. Even the basics, such as light and warmth, would be gone.

Of course, this is nothing new. Everyone’s experienced the inconvenience of power outages. We survive for a couple of days without too much trouble….but what if the power remained out for months? I realize “preppers” are acutely aware of this possibility and are “prepared” for such an event. But I want to take it one step further.

In addition to our dependence on electricity, we’ve grown dependent on technology. Yesterday, I came across an article claiming that this dependence was actually making us dumber. I created
this thread about it in case you want to read it. Anyway, I’ve been thinking about this for quite some time, and I see the makings of a disaster.

Now its time to step into the realm of speculation. What would happen if we lost our electricity AND technology for a long time? In other words….we’re back in the stone age. No access to anything that runs on batteries, etc.

How would we rebuild? Heck, how would we survive? Could we survive? My great-grandparents would have been fine; they were completely self sufficient. But my generation? How many of us could start a fire without matches? (yes, we would eventually run out of matches). How many of us could butcher meat, or even hunt for meat? How many of us could build adequate shelter, dig wells, forage for edible plants?

Would we even get the opportunity? I imagine, within a couple of weeks without electricity…..riots would be common place. People would kill for food and water, medication and more. The cities would be the worst; with smaller cities and villages next in line.

I realize this doomsday scenario is nothing new to the ATS crowd…you’ve already explored this possibility and many of you are dedicated to surviving the unthinkable. But here’s where my conspiracy spider-sense kicks in…..I think this is how TPTB might decide to depopulate the planet.

It would be so easy. Perhaps those underground shelters would make a great place to sit back and wait a year or so while us plebians kill each other or die of ignorance. Give it another year for the wildlife to scavenge the bodies….then switch the power back on.

Paranoid, I know. I don’t know why I’m thinking this way, maybe its too much time on ATS. But it’s a feeling I’m having and I wanted to share. Hopefully some of the bright minds here can quickly shoot down my argument and explain how wrong I am.

Hopefully.


reply posted on 22-3-2013 @ 02:19 PM by Lady_Tuatha
reply to post by smyleegrl



I am reading this thread as my lights are flickering lol, there is lots of homes without power here in Northern Ireland at the minute due to the weather. I am expecting mine to go out soon :-( last time it happened was about four years ago an that was only for a few hours.

All I have done to prepare is buy a few more candles.

I would be totally screwed with the long term lose of electricity, its scary just thinking about it. Im far too lazy to be a prepper.


reply posted on 22-3-2013 @ 02:21 PM by 1Providence1
reply to post by smyleegrl



I know that storing food and water in containers several feet under ground would be a somewhat decent alternative.

We'd have to live by the necessity standard, not the storage standard.



reply posted on 22-3-2013 @ 02:39 PM by Antigod
reply to post by smyleegrl



I've given this some thought before.

Most of the Western world would be boned. We couldn't get food into the cities, a lot of food storage needs power and without electrics most vehicles wouldn't work. There would be no tap water, as it comes from electrically pumped water, same for sewage. Heat and lighting would be the least of our problems long term.

Those who survived the first couple of years would probably make it through, as enough of the population would die off to take the pressure off the food supply. Unfortunately we currently have a population mainly made up of
people who don't bother to plan for emergencies of even a minor kind. How many people know how to dig a well? Store even minimal emergency food? Grow veg? It would be very ugly.

I'm a suburban/semi rural survivalist. Keep lots of stored food etc just in case.


reply posted on 22-3-2013 @ 02:42 PM by seabag
reply to post by smyleegrl



Now its time to step into the realm of speculation. What would happen if we lost our electricity AND technology for a long time? In other words….we’re back in the stone age. No access to anything that runs on batteries, etc.

How would we rebuild? Heck, how would we survive? Could we survive?


How did our forefathers survive before the invention of electricity? How did our parents (and some of us) survive before cell phones and Google?

We get by just like everyone before us.



But my generation? How many of us could start a fire without matches? (yes, we would eventually run out of matches). How many of us could butcher meat, or even hunt for meat? How many of us could build adequate shelter, dig wells, forage for edible plants?

Would we even get the opportunity?

It’s great that you’re considering these things NOW…before you HAVE to do it.

Welcome to the prepper community!

Now you know what to start working on. It's a never ending process and priorities change along the way. Get started and roll with it.


reply posted on 22-3-2013 @ 02:57 PM by smyleegrl

How did our forefathers survive before the invention of electricity? How did our parents (and some of us) survive before cell phones and Google?
reply to
post by seabag



The difference is they grew up learning the skills necessary to survive. For example, my great-grandfather built his own buildings and home, knew how to hunt and run a farm. Whereas I have never had to build anything, have never hunted or foraged for food, etc. those basic survival skills the older generation knew....are lost to many of us.


reply posted on 22-3-2013 @ 02:59 PM by DrumsRfun
reply to post by smyleegrl



Everything you just said is EXACTLY why I go into the bush at least once a month.
I can make fire,get my own food and keep myself going.

I went "camping" last weekend,it was minus 18 overnight and I didn't use a tent.

Survival people....LEARN IT!!!!!!!!

People seem to forget how we got to this point and who brought us here....primitive man did,not a Steve Jobs guy or a Bill Gates guy.

Technology is great but it won't save you if the poopie hit the fan...learning how our ancestors did things will...its becoming lost knowledge.
Don't let it be erased from the human mind or we will have to start again from scratch,following animals that killed something and scavenging the carcass so we can eat because we can't do it ourselves.

Go outside and learn the REAL world.


reply posted on 22-3-2013 @ 03:23 PM by CirqueDeTruth
reply to post by CranialSponge



But that's just it. We wouldn't drop like flies.

We wouldn't. We'd have excess in the countries, and send it out to the suffering masses who think that community and unity is not what survives. It IS. During season, stop going to the grocery mart - go to your ***king Farmer's Market.

It's those who know how to function w/o government - who will come forward to teach the masses.

Beware mansato. We already know how. Don't forget the basics. The basics is what you will fall back on, and teach those who have forgotten -

We are of nature - not apart.

If you live in the city, and simply own the right to plant the lining around your house. Plant a fricking garden around your HOUSE!!! And share the excess with neighbors. It's not hard. It really is that simple. Just buy the seeds and do it. I promise you!!! It's that simple!!!

Peace,
Cirque

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reply posted on 22-3-2013 @ 03:24 PM by Bedlam
reply to post by knowledgedesired



I can see a lot of urbanites dying when the water goes off, a few weeks later. It was pretty funny/awful on the Gulf Coast to watch when Katrina went through, the townies were dying because they couldn't open their apartment windows or flush the toilets.

Me, I just wired the little generator to the well and played cards with the family. I think a lot of people can't hunt, or find drinkable water, or fend for themselves. And I think in a prolonged SHTF situation it'll degenerate into anarchy pretty fast, then the groceries will be gone, and people will start drinking unfiltered ditch water, and you'll get a quick die-off from cholera and dysentery. All the old and sick will go, then babies, then the less self-sufficient.

Those of us on farms with firearms and expertise will RULE THE WORLD! MWA HA HA!

I figure in two years the game will repopulate, and I can go pick through the debris for some nice furniture, some new clothes, books and whatnot. It'll take about that long for the last of the townies to die.

I wouldn't want to be in the northeast though. Can you imagine what NYC will smell like with 3/4 of the pop dead?


reply posted on 22-3-2013 @ 03:39 PM by DrumsRfun
reply to post by Bedlam





Those of us on farms with firearms and expertise will RULE THE WORLD! MWA HA HA!



What will you do when bullets run out??

There is a difference between surviving and sustaining...having bullets is sustaining until they run out.
Learn without it...our ancestors could do it...are we that different that we can't??
From what I read on this site about people with their guns....i think its a bad mentality.

Primitive man could do it...all we have is slogans like "its so easy even a caveman can do it"
Yet,we couldn't survive in their environment.

Most here couldn't last in that type of environment if their life depended on it.
"Life depended on it" are the key words here.

Knowledge will help you...not guns and ammo.
Thats a short term solution which is why its called sustaining...not surviving.
When your bullets are gone all you have is 2 feet and a heartbeat and without knowledge about how to survive....you might not have that heartbeat for long.


reply posted on 22-3-2013 @ 03:48 PM by knowledgedesired
reply to post by Bedlam



When my wife gives me a hard time about my ammo purchases I just remind her that each bullet could mean a meal or save our life in a time of need. I am not stocked up for the next hundred years or anything but I think I have enough to take care of my family long enough to get situated and deal witht the issues at hand.

One of the best things about living in Texas is you don't have to look far to find an animal to shoot and eat and guns and ammo go hand and hand with a state the has the motto... You don't mess with Texas.. plus militia groups are everywhere here.

I think the only reason they have not made a play for the NWO is becasue the think tanks have already concluded that people will stick together and the only major change will be the gubberment.


reply posted on 22-3-2013 @ 03:55 PM by DrumsRfun
reply to post by CirqueDeTruth



Can you please use the quote or reply button.
I am not sure if this is aimed at me or someone else??

Clarification please??

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