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Originally posted by FlyersFan
The old 'America went to war for oil' thing doesn't work.
We went to
war in Kuwait and liberated it. We gave all the oil fields back to the
Kuwaities after we liberated them from Iraq. If we wanted oil fields,
we would have kept them.
If we wanted oil fields, we would invade
Mexico and Venezuela. Those countries are right next door to us.
We could invade them and take them overnight.
We could do that
without any Muslims getting all worked up about it and it would cost
a lot less $$ to do that.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by bigdanprice
Well you are wrong for action to be taken in the name of the United Nations then a majority vote of the security council is needed.
I don't think G.W. took action 'in the name of the UN'. He always
referred to this as 'The 45 Nation Coalition of the Willing'. I
don't ever recall him saying this was a UN operation. However,
if he had said it was ... Resolution 1441 covered it and there
was no need of any further security council vote to decide
to do something. Resolution 1441 covered that.
Originally posted by bigdanprice
it destabilises the region. Why do the surrounding countries hate it? Why were you involved in the first place. But supporting a nation that has caused three wars and innumerable deaths, that then perpetuates a circle of hatred and violence.
Originally posted by bigdanprice
Well you cant say that the resolution was justification, it was a UN resolution after all.
I am begging you to vote for John F. Kerry
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
-Currently the USA controls a single $ oil market and fully intends to keep it that way.
- Yeah maybe you could but I would magine it would also complete your transition to pariah state.
-You might be under the illusion that can go it totally alone in the world,
-We all need each other ultimately.
Originally posted by bigdanprice[/]However it does link into Americas position in the world, and how a new leader will be percieved. This is important. .
Originally posted by FlyersFan
-If we fully controlled the oil market ... why are gas prices so friggn' high?
And home heating oil?
- Fully complete our transition to pariah state? I think the world already
calls us that. I don't care. That's their problem. JEALOUSY.
- Totally alone in the world. I'd LOVE for America to give it a try.
First thing ... pull all our donation $$$ out of foreign countries.
Stop all aid. Spend it here. Our infrastructure and poor need it here.
- Yes, we need each other ultimately. It would be good for the
world to remember that they need America. But I think it's having
too much fun bashing America and hating us instead of looking
inward at their own problems and fixing them.
Originally posted by mrdependable
I am trying to rack my brain to figure out why so many people disllike Bush. Seriously what has the guy done to deserve such a backlash???
And that brings us to Iraq. Now in my view Bush and his team have made some big errors in this campaign. I don't believe anyone can really fault the guy for removing the evil dictator Saddam Hussein. It was without doubt the right thing to do. This was the US's first go at trying to invade a nation and install a new government without the world's support so they were bound to fark up a few things which they certainly have. But I do believe they have learned alot and this will serve the US well when we invade the next country down the track.
Would a Kerry led invasion have been more successful? Probably not. He would have farked up a few things, maybe different things than Bush, but he would have made mistakes just the same. We are new at these pre-emptive strikes so the first few will be messy. So I can't really favor Bush over Kerry or vice-versa on Iraq. Like it or not the US is now on an irrevocable path to clearing out the evil regimes on this planet with no turning back. The cost is going to be enormous but the rewards are going to be even greater. It really has to be done and I don't think anyone can dispute this. As the saying goes evil flourishes when good men do nothing.
Originally posted by mrdependable
I am trying to rack my brain to figure out why so many people disllike Bush. Seriously what has the guy done to deserve such a backlash???.....
.....I am baffled why the country is so divided over these two men who are in the end so similar.
Originally posted by bigdanprice
Come on, This man and his father got us into this mess and you want him to get you out. Please. Bin Laden was set up by the US; you are reaping what you have sown. Stop with the high minded patriotic bull #. You need someone to heal your stance with the world. There are a hundred people waiting to take BL place. We will not achieve peace by blowing people up. You need to ask why do they want to blow us up, what have we done?
I await my flaming but I speak the truth..
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Originally posted by LostSailor
What have we done?
Well, first off we are a free country, Bin Laden doesn't like that.
We are a capitalistic country, Bin Laden hates that.
We are a democracy, Bin laden hates that.
We are a world power, Bin Laden hates that too.
He hates everything that makes America great.
He hates everything we stand for.