I am begging you to vote for John F. Kerry

Originally posted by slank
My fellow Americans,

I am begging for you to vote for John F. Kerry.

slank

Well, I'm not going to vote for Kerry, as you probably already know, but if you'll go and fetch the paper after you beg a bit more I'll try and find you a good home.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Well, I'm not going to vote for Kerry, as you probably already know, but if you'll go and fetch the paper after you beg a bit more I'll try and find you a good home.

If Kerry wins and jacks up the taxes we ALL might be begging.

On the street.

Our economy is barely going as is

Originally posted by Amuk

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Well, I'm not going to vote for Kerry, as you probably already know, but if you'll go and fetch the paper after you beg a bit more I'll try and find you a good home.

If Kerry wins and jacks up the taxes we ALL might be begging.

On the street.

Our economy is barely going as is

If people can't afford health insurance how are they going to be able to pay all the taxes he wants to start??

Good point. Quite the conumdrum.

Well, were we all out in the streets with JFK?
Were we all out begging in the streets with Clinton?
These two were democrats and Americans prospered, 0 deficit, no wars, no murdering 200,000 civilians.

Kerry is a Democrat. He'll see to it that we turn this country around .

Kerry is a Democrat.

That, in itself, is telling!
Bush is a Republican.
Same stigma.

Why is it that we, the "deny ignorance" club, have decided to go along with this fallacy of a political system? Why are so many perpetuating the myths of "wasted votes"? Why has our electoral system become a contest of who is hated less? Most importantly..... How do we change it back to an election instead of a vote of no-confidence?

I would LOVE to have definitive answers.

It is truly sad that we are locked into a rigid 2-party system in which no matter how we vote tomorrow, we are supporting a party that is bent upon achieving/maintaining power at any price, with truth and the true best interests of the American people as the first casualty. Anyone see the new episode of "South Park" in which the students have to choose in the election between the "Big Douche" and the "Turd Sandwich" for their new school mascot? Those are their only 2 choices and voting is mandatory..........

Same story here. People are so busy desperately voting for one major party against the other that all civil discourse is suspended and your opponents are enemies, and while 3rd party alternatives might be nice, "you can't waste your vote when so much is at stake".

Well, I'm no huge fan of G.W. Bush, but with a lack of viable 3rd party candidates (the last one that had a ghost of a chance was Ross Perot) I'll have to give him my vote in preference to a Massachussetts liberal who betrayed his fellow vets and took up with Jane Fonda & Co., prolonged the agony of our POWs, dishonored himself, his country, and his countrymen, is an elitist who professes (but doesn't subscribe to) democratic ideals for the sole purpose of inciting support of the rabble in order to get elected (just watch how he helps those disenfranchised groups if he gets elected.....NOT!)

Nope.....I'll choose the devil that I know over the lying piece of scum/garbage spewing piece of work that is John Kerry. He is wise to compare himself to JFK....JFK was as much a scumbag as Kerry is.

But, hey, as Teddy would say, "I'll drive off that bridge when I come to it". See you at the polls tomorrow! Ciao, baby!

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I guess in begging for something strips it of pride.

It is not a banner i will wave in the face of those of the opposition.

The election is not a 'game' that one wins.

It is the selection process that is best done with educated and experienced cerebral capacities.

I can't lie and say I don't have any emotional ties to John F. Kerry winning,
but most important among them is a sense of security.

He almost prophetically before invading Iraq said there was no plan to win the peace:

"This Administration has offered, to date, no plan for what happens after we topple Saddam's regime, no methodology, and
No one disagrees that even if we go it alone in Iraq we can topple Saddam, we can win.

But What this administration has failed to do is to advance on the international stage through the process of international law the rationale for doing so, and the evidence for that rationale."

The Administration then lied about rocket aluminum tubes being used in centrifuges.

That fall, 2002, Kerry would face a critical senate vote on whether to grant the president the authority to use force in Iraq:

"Let me be clear the vote that i will give to the president is for one reason and one reason only, to disarm Iraq of Weapons of Mass Destruction IF we cannot acomplish that objective though new tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies."

"The administration may not be in the habit of building coallitions . . .
If we go it alone without reason we risk inflaming an entire region,
breeding a new generation of terrorists, a new cadre of anti-American zealots and we will be less secure and not more secure at the end of the day even with Saddam Hussein disarmed."

www.pbs.org...
John F. Kerry is the voice of wisdom and foresight in Iraq.

The administration is rash and does not do the job of planning for the future.
They ignore the law of unintended consequences.
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I'd vote for any1 other than Bush(if i was an American that is)

I do not understand how anyone could vote for bush after everything he has done to destroy our nation and our alias with other countries. Here is a thread to read, this person gave "URLS" to look at. If anyone can still vote for Bush after seeing those short film-clips, then I'd say theres something very mentally-off with them and they can share in the responsibility and the covering in blood with Bush, because he's drenched in Iraqi babies and childrens blood, women and old men's blood, and our troops blood.
I for one want BUSH GONE after tomorrow and I have already voted for JOHN KERRY,.............. so my hands are clean of all blood shedded in Iraq, and have been clean all four years that Bush sat in the oval office. He's never been my President, I did not vote for him last time, and I sure as hell don't want him in the White House for a second term.

One more thing, I for one DO CARE about what and how the rest of the world thinks and feels about our Election and who they'd like to see as out president,............. their opionions speak volumes as to what is wrong and how to correct it

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Polls open here @6am, hubby and me are going to go vote for Kerry and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that many others do too!

Originally posted by Carseller4

I have a family, and I trust my families safety to President Bush.
I work and want to keep more of MY money to take care of my family. So I am voting for President Bush.
I can plan my retirement better than the government, with President Bush, I will have a choice of what happens with a portion of my Social Security.

Marriage is a union between one man and one woman, I believe President Bush will keep it that way.

I will not vote for a man who gets a scratch and demands a Purple Heart.
I will not vote for a man who wanted to gut intelligence and weapons systems.
I will not vote for a man who wants global permission before making important security decisions.
I could go on and on, but the safety and security of my family and the United States of America depends on President Bush getting reelected.

Carseller4 you have a family, and trust their safety to Bush - Your blinkered mindset is dominated by fear this is no accident. Despite what you may like to believe, it is not everyone elses' fault.

Money? You talk of money and Bush? What is his reputation with any company he hads been involved in at high level? What is your deficit? Why are there thoughts of approaching Congress and asking that the 7.25 Trillion Dollar (I believe) borrowing cap be increased?

See above

As for your Purple Heart/scratch anti Kerry points. I suggest you research your American '427' groups, what a great way to sidestep the original hopes of democracy.

Originally posted by netobrev

I don't mean to be rude but this is our country and we will vote who WE think should lead our country. I for one do not care if someone outside of my counrty says I should vote for 'insert name here'. Its our election, not yours.

Netobrev, politness is a virtue and I too mean to cause no affront to your person, but this attitude that I have seen prevalent in many posts from those 'pro-Bush' of 'our country' etc. is surprisingly narrow minded and short sighted. America is the most powerful country in the world, the last remaining and worlds only superpower do you not think that responsibility comes with that? And it is not a responsibility that only comes at a cost to America, but with the promise of the rich reward of respect from foreign countries, and you never know - perhaps a safer America.

Originally posted by rachlls

On our darkest day he led this mighty country from its knees to hold her head high once again. Those days after 9/11...
At the same time we were recovering he led this country out of a recession! WOW!!

I believe that this is a mistaken notion held by many who wouls support bush. I would like to refer you to a speech given by Jimmy Carter which, I feel, offers a great insight, especially (and this is meant without any offence at all - the USA is a very inward looking country with, what is it less that 30% holding passports?) for an American:

Monday, July 26, 2004 Jimmy Carter

After 9/11, America stood proud -- wounded, but determined and united. A cowardly attack on innocent civilians brought us an unprecedented level of cooperation and understanding around the world.
But in just 34 months, we have watched with deep concern as all this good will has been squandered by a virtually unbroken series of mistakes and miscalculations.
Unilateral acts and demands have isolated the United States from the very nations we need to join us in combating terrorism...
But recent policies have cost our nation its reputation as the world's most admired champion of freedom and justice. What a difference these few months of extremism have made.
The United States has alienated its allies, dismayed its friends, and inadvertently gratified its enemies by proclaiming a confused and disturbing strategy of preemptive war.
Instead, violence has gripped the Holy Land, with the region increasingly swept by anti-American passions.
This must change.

As far as the finacial situation goes, I am stunned that so many have mentioned it as a plus for Bush......

news.bbc.co.uk...

The US budget deficit will hit a record high of $445bn(�244bn) this year, according to White House projections.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by browha
Speaking for most foreigners... we want you to vote for Kerry.

We know you do. That's partly why I'm voting for Bush....

This way of thought I can only assume comes from the neocon-induced 'fear factor'. An attitude...

Again, this is in no way meant to be meant to be a slight against the inhabitants of the USA, (I have Americans which I consider good friends) With that said there does appear to be a very strong 'us against the world' attitude. An attitude I believe that has been purposely placed in the psyche of the American people by it's leaders.

I am not blind to the events of September 11th playing their part here, so please don't suggest so, but I think that day only helped to bring to the surface a frame of mind that was already bubbling under the surface. Perhaps part of the reason for taking such a standpoint (ironically what could be percived by some as a victim mentality) is the arrogance which many foreigners accuse the USA of. A sense of being the most important people or country in the world, a mindset which would suit those in power of the USA. You hear from your leaders "We are all so special, so much more important than anyone else, so obviously we are going to be targeted if anyone but do not worry, those of us in power will protect you. God knows you need it."

There appears to be almost a siege mentality eminating fron the USA now. Blame your own neo-conservatives who have nurtured this frame of mind to achieve their own goals and try to accept that there is no great conspiracy amongst the nations of the world to do the worst to you. Perhaps someone with a harsher viewpoint might say 'Grow up'.


Yea, it's about the economy stupid - Europe just wants to screw us, Bush knows best....

Originally posted by ivan
Hello people.
I am from Europ. Here is what I say.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE VOTE FOR BUSH!
I dont like him, I dont like his ideas or anything alse related to the him.
But BUSH made me more money

USA $ is lower then ever!
I need that $ to go down as much is possibly, so PLEASE PLEASE people help me make more money by voting for Bush, you will make me very happy

For the the onese who think I am ironic, I am not, my cost for my biz vent down cause of the weak USA $.
Cost are around 35-45% less then during the Clinton.

So please again, vote for Bush

Thank you and have a nice day.

I.

Originally posted by LostSailor

...at least I support someone, sounds to me like you should go live in a different country for a while.

Sorry? I had hoped that after the collapse of the Soviet Union I had heard the last of this great American saying. Nice to know that some in the USA are still only a stones throw away from the good ole' "Why don't you f**k off and live in Russia then?" mentality. I almost voted you Way Above there.

Originally posted by enigmalone

I viewed a interesting piece last evening about 150 vid cams given to the people of Iraq by a dude(formerly of mtv fame) forgive me I don't recall his name...(I do know he is a former marine from the 91 war) and the clips shown on national tv showed me we and our president are supported.
Enigma

What other beliefs do you hold? Fairies? Pixies? Are you interested in purchasing some magic beans? I am looking for a smiley expressing absolute and total stunned disbelief and fear that someone should believe such a thing... haven't found one yet. Brb...

Originally posted by KrazyIvan

# the rest of the world! its not their country! it mine and other americans! its not their country that terrorist will have a field day with if we get this pussy named john kerry in offices. if an american president has to ask the french if its ok to do something thats just wrong. france should be americans little errand boy for 4 years sence thats how long they were under nazi occupation.

Does your mummy know you swear online? Do you think she would approve? Well done, this is one of the most ridiculous posts I have ever seen on ATS. Do you still use the term 'Freedom Fries'? I bet you do. LMFAO

Vladtepes - I believe your avatar says more than you ever could. Thank you for that window into your soul.

Oh you know, I really can't be bothered to go through this thread any more, (after page 4-5). I have a very good friend, who I have known since we were in cots next to each other as babies. Now he's a nice gentleman but he does have a great and deep hatred of Bush. His hope? That Bush is re-elected and brings with that election all the qualities that he has shown so far with the end result of America being screwed, this hopefully leading to a new way of thinking out there.

I was hoping that there might be an easier transition than this, than some John Titor 2006 scenario, but whatever it's always good to see him smile.


Jack

Personally I believe we should tell the rest of the world to f*** off... what the hell have you done for us lately except harbor terrorists and bash our country and president.

Hopefully Bush goes and takes out North Korea next, and you pansie socialists in Europe can sit on your lazy a**es!!!

Just because you couldnt compete as a capitalist country and had to go to socialism, doesnt mean its best for our country!

my "close-minded right wing humble opinion"

Originally posted by LostSailor
Personally I believe we should tell the rest of the world to f*** off... what the hell have you done for us lately except harbor terrorists and bash our country and president.

Oh dear, touched a nerve have we. Without your European neighbours you would never have been able to get to Iraq in the first place, we dont harbour terrorists, and quite frankly your president needs bashing becaue he is a meglomaniac.

Hopefully Bush goes and takes out North Korea next, and you pansie socialists in Europe can sit on your lazy a**es!!!

War mongering again, its this kind of attitude that started WW2. I thought we had learnt from mistakes. I personally hate war, and this is the view of Europeans, and we need a bloody good reason to do it. There are defensive premptive strikes but seriously who can be a threat to your army? Then again Korea will wipe the floor. Fighting in Jungle isnt your forte, you will then resort to desperate measures and probably drag the world into WW3.

Just because you couldnt compete as a capitalist country and had to go to socialism, doesnt mean its best for our country!

my "close-minded right wing humble opinion"

Actually we are a stage on from just capitalism, the money is being reinvested in the people. 'By the People, For the People' Ring any bells. I think your freedom is so restricted you dont even know it, your are caught in the Fear trap of Bush and the Media. Wake up.

Originally posted by bigdanprice

Originally posted by LostSailor
Personally I believe we should tell the rest of the world to f*** off... what the hell have you done for us lately except harbor terrorists and bash our country and president.

Oh dear, touched a nerve have we. Without your European neighbours you would never have been able to get to Iraq in the first place, we dont harbour terrorists, and quite frankly your president needs bashing becaue he is a meglomaniac.

Hopefully Bush goes and takes out North Korea next, and you pansie socialists in Europe can sit on your lazy a**es!!!

War mongering again, its this kind of attitude that started WW2. I thought we had learnt from mistakes. I personally hate war, and this is the view of Europeans, and we need a bloody good reason to do it. There are defensive premptive strikes but seriously who can be a threat to your army? Then again Korea will wipe the floor. Fighting in Jungle isnt your forte, you will then resort to desperate measures and probably drag the world into WW3.

Just because you couldnt compete as a capitalist country and had to go to socialism, doesnt mean its best for our country!

my "close-minded right wing humble opinion"

Actually we are a stage on from just capitalism, the money is being reinvested in the people. 'By the People, For the People' Ring any bells. I think your freedom is so restricted you dont even know it, your are caught in the Fear trap of Bush and the Media. Wake up.

Yes... you did touch a nerve.... no im in no fear trap for gods sake... there isnt one!!!
Sorry we in the US have some testicles and want whats best for the world.... FREEDOM for everyone...

But, we understand that sitting on our a**es because "we don't like war" isn't going to do it. What happened to Europe, you guys turned into liberal pansies. I only hope the US doesn't follow suit.

Bush in '04

Liberal a dictionary definition:
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

Its not about have testicles, its about having the courage to seek peaceful means first. YOU WILL NEVER resolve any situation with violence. Once you understand that maybe the world will be a better place. Just for the record liberals arent pansies. We just dont see war as the first option. John Kerry is the only candidate who has any military experience. So you have been caught up in the Bush Fear campaign. He has told you he is the only one keeping you safe.... in reality he is the one putting you in danger.

Yup, that's right LostSailor, a shining example for us all

...FREEDOM for everyone...

I'm in no fear trap for God's sake... ...there isn't one.

what's best for the world



[Edited on 2/11/04 by JAK]

Originally posted by LostSailor

But, we understand that sitting on our a**es because "we don't like war" isn't going to do it. What happened to Europe, you guys turned into liberal pansies. I only hope the US doesn't follow suit.

Bush in '04

HOPEFULLY, They don't follow suit ... OMG ... Please don't become pansies if they do Texas might try and succeed from the Union .. =-) ,.. Deus .