What Allah says to Christians

reply to post by FlyersFan


All right, sis (and I mean that), we'll agree to disagree. I still find you a very intriguing poster on the boards!

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by logical7
but no sex/orgasms?

You don't like it? Take it up with Jesus. He said it ... people will not be married and they will live like the angels ... so no sex. Sex is rather mundane and worldly compared to the glories of the afterlife. Don't worry about it. You won't miss sex at all. That's earthbound. Think etherial ... greater glories ... eye has not seen and ear has not heard what God has ready for those who love Him.

that was a rhetorical question FF!!!
What i asked is explain the fish and honeycomb, Jesus pbuh was etheral and ate or was corporeal and ate?

reply to post by Murgatroid

I found that ‘Hinduism’ is a manufactured "religion" created in 1830.
Hinduism is fiction created by the British.

Come on, you are just making yourself look ridiculous now.

Also, the site you are getting that from is from a muslim blog (obviously the blog owner is also being ridiculous) But since you believe you have found some truth... would you also go by what the rest of the blog is talking about... or do you pick and choose truths?

reply to post by Murgatroid

Jesus IS in fact God...

God was made manifest in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16

Jesus is the member of the Godhead by which ALL things were created...

ALL physical reality came into existence through Jesus...

Simply because the Bible says so?

All that = religious doctrine.

You cant hold on to these religious beliefs and then go on a crusade declaring everybody elses religion a satanic deception.

Originally posted by DarknStormy
Why is it that Christians seem to always knock or mock other religions

Perhaps for the same reason that Muslims hate, slander, and kill others.

Satan uses religion to deceive people, that includes so called "Christians" as well.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Keep reading the entire article. Apparently you read the first paragraph or two.

YOU said that there was something in the OT about a tent dedicated to Molech in the wilderness.
I simply asked you for the particular verse in the bible... not a find-the-verse adventure on someones article on the star of Molech. Either way, I did my own research on Molech in the Bible, and there is nothing about any tent to Molech in the wilderness.

Also your sources claim that there were 2 tabernacles is wrong. He doesn't seem to realize that that chapter he picked mentions a third tabernacle. From what what we read in the account of the exodus, there was only one tent mentioned... and Stephen was addressing the Israelite priesthood.

reply to post by wildtimes

Ah, well. I guess I could just say, "not my problem." But, I tend to look at the bigger picture, toward mending fences and common understanding, if not agreement.

i appretiate your joining the thread and giving a 3rd person view to a christian vs muslim discussion/debate.

I just want to tell you why its not so easy for christian to accept God and Allah as the same.
The triune God can't be the same as a pure Absolute One God.
Its just reveals that although they say they believe in One God, they can't accept absolute Oneness as it destroys trinity.
Christianity believes in 3 gods and pays lip service that they are monotheistic.
Its impossible for anyone to close their eyes and image the christian 'One God' as One, the imagination will keep jumping on either of 3 and never settle on A whole One.

The funny thing is everybody has the same One God, even the atheist.
The only thing thats argueable is, is it Absolute One or Triune.

Maybe i can ask them in a different way and get a yes.

1) do the muslims(in fact everyone) have the same Creator as christians?
2) are christians ok if muslims call that Creator, Allah?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by logical7

 

Its now a dilemma for you,

1) either Jesus pbuh din't die and so had a corporeal body and needs.
2) or post resurrection bodies will not be etheral as you claim.

False dilemma/dichotomy fallacy. There's another option.

3). Christ ate out of want, not need. Food is good and fun to eat. And fellowship over a meal is edifying.

hmm.. Want?? A desire to eat after getting a resurrected body?
So a resurrected body can eat if it wishes and it can savour(fun to eat) the taste?
So he got a corporeal/physical body. right?

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Oh, honestly! NuT! I'm not the one who is confused. How often do you actually do introspective exercises?

Or, is your motive and purpose just to piss people off? Prove yourself? Get to heaven? Avoid hell? Feel good about your ego? I don't see anything at all that is "helpful" to anyone - or that you are truly interested in discovering the truth.

Whatever. I'm done.

Sorry, log7, for derailing your thread.

I read you conversation with NuT.
You do have a lot of patience

Its ok, the thread ultimately would have ended up being derailed into 'moon god', 'islam from satan' etc etc

prophet Muhammad pbuh had said, that a time would come when being a muslim would be like holding burning coals, its not even lukewarm now.

thanks for participating and i hope that you'l stay even if as an observer.

Originally posted by logical7

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by logical7

 

Its now a dilemma for you,

1) either Jesus pbuh din't die and so had a corporeal body and needs.
2) or post resurrection bodies will not be etheral as you claim.

False dilemma/dichotomy fallacy. There's another option.

3). Christ ate out of want, not need. Food is good and fun to eat. And fellowship over a meal is edifying.

hmm.. Want?? A desire to eat after getting a resurrected body?
So a resurrected body can eat if it wishes and it can savour(fun to eat) the taste?
So he got a corporeal/physical body. right?

Eating is a lot of fun for me, am I alone on that maybe? Were Jesus' taste buds not resurrected with the rest of Him?

So he got a corporeal/physical body. right?

He had a glorified resurrected body.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Dammit, I suppose I'll just do all the work for ya. I have a hour to kill anyways. Follow this timeline:

1. YHWH commands Moses build a tabernacle.
2. When the Jews entered the promise land the tabernacle was settled at Shiloh in Samaria.
3. The ark of the covenant and the Presence of God (Shikinah glory) rested there for 400 years, the book of judges records this period.
4. The ark was taken to battle with the Philistines and God was angry with the Jews and allowed it to be taken and the Jews defeated. (1 Sam. 4)
5. Israel was declared "Ichabod", which in Hebrew means "no glory". His glory departed along with the ark.
6. The Philistines had plague after plague until they returned the ark to the Jews with gifts.
7. For 70 years the ark didn't go back into the tabernacle at Shiloh. Until David came along. He then built a tabernacle for the ark in Jerusalem for the ark.
8. The tabernacle at Shiloh became dedicated to Moloch after the departure of the ark.
9. During the time of David there were TWO tabernacles. The tabernacle of Moses which became a house of idolatry after the ark was removed. And David's tabernacle in Jerusalem with the ark and glory of YHWH restored in the holy of holies.

There were two tabernacles.

reply to post by Murgatroid


Let me tell you what i know, you would obviously say that i am hoodwinked but i'l say it anyway.

The pre-islamic pagans knew the God as Allah as Ishmael pbuh was their prophet and they later turned into idolators. They even did some rituals started by Abraham pbuh and The Kabbah was build by both of them.

The black stone in one corner of Kabbah is a meteorite and is just a stone, its not worshipped, people touch/kiss it as its believed to be from heaven.

The Christian cousin of prophet's wife died soon after 1st few verse were revealed, he just consoled the prophet that its ok to get revealation.
Qur'an came for 23 years in pieces commenting on events as they unfolded which was impossible to know beforehand and so not written at once by Warakah or backed by RCC!!

Hinduism din't start in 1800s!!!
The british did a census back then and due to the immense number of sects and castes in india, they grouped all the polytheists as just 'hindus' and others were muslims, christians etc
the hindu scriptures, Vedas, are one of the oldest ones available.
There are hindu temples that are thousands of years old!
so your claim is ridiculous as Sc0rpie did point out.

What breaks your consistency is that you question each religion and skip christianity,
you say Islam is a pagan cult, ok yoù can have your opinion.

And a religion having a man god whose birth happened at winter solicite, who is one of three and yet three is one!! Is a monotheistic and true faith?!!
You question the RCC yet believe a Bible compiled by them! as word of God!!

You also have nothing to contribute except dropping excerpts and links that are ridiculous,
i mean who got the time and money to make a comics about our prophet, i seriously suspect the illuminati!!
If islam is wrong, why so much propaganda against it?
If illuminati are our buddies then the MSM should be promoting islam not demonising it.
If the purpose of illuminati is to clash the two religions and bring 'order out of chaos' and you already accept that RCC is run/infiltrated by them and if even islam is by them, where is God's real religion?
It rather seems that God sent Islam to stand up against the wrong and pagan infected thinking and beliefs of church and christians.

Islam prohibits interest, drinking, gambling, pornography and excessive materialism/consumerism.
these are all the sources of income of the illuminati.
Is illuminati suicidal?!! To support Islam.
A muslim prays 5 times a day, fasts a month every year and has to pay 2.5% annual savings compulsorily to the poor as zakah(charity)
is this taking them away from God?

A little pondering would do a lot of good for you.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Eating is a lot of fun for me, am I alone on that maybe? Were Jesus' taste buds not resurrected with the rest of Him?

ok, i agree. So we will also get our taste buds, other sensory and body parts in working condition after our resurrecution. Right?
(Hope FF is following this)

I am lucky to be here (really) I (and lots of my buds) went through a living hell of a time. I sleep probably only an hour at a time. Then lay awake..then try and go back to sleep...I am one of many that do this I know. And you know what? I am one of many through the ages...its how it is. I'm here now but will always remember..and so will those that follow. We are just people that were born into the world. We tried.

Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Eating is a lot of fun for me, am I alone on that maybe? Were Jesus' taste buds not resurrected with the rest of Him?

ok, i agree. So we will also get our taste buds, other sensory and body parts in working condition after our resurrecution. Right?
(Hope FF is following this)

Yes, but I don't forsee a need to deficate or urinate. But maybe there is a reason or purpose I cannot fathom.

But what FF needs to understand is Chriat when speaking about angels said nothing about sex, He said they do not "marry". And if we look at Genesis 6, the Nephalim were the product of angels and women procreating.

Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by Murgatroid

 

Let me tell you what i know, you would obviously say that i am hoodwinked but i'l say it anyway.

The pre-islamic pagans knew the God as Allah as Ishmael pbuh was their prophet and they later turned into idolators. They even did some rituals started by Abraham pbuh and The Kabbah was build by both of them.

The black stone in one corner of Kabbah is a meteorite and is just a stone, its not worshipped, people touch/kiss it as its believed to be from heaven.

The Christian cousin of prophet's wife died soon after 1st few verse were revealed, he just consoled the prophet that its ok to get revealation.
Qur'an came for 23 years in pieces commenting on events as they unfolded which was impossible to know beforehand and so not written at once by Warakah or backed by RCC!!

Hinduism din't start in 1800s!!!
The british did a census back then and due to the immense number of sects and castes in india, they grouped all the polytheists as just 'hindus' and others were muslims, christians etc
the hindu scriptures, Vedas, are one of the oldest ones available.
There are hindu temples that are thousands of years old!
so your claim is ridiculous as Sc0rpie did point out.

What breaks your consistency is that you question each religion and skip christianity,
you say Islam is a pagan cult, ok yoù can have your opinion.

And a religion having a man god whose birth happened at winter solicite, who is one of three and yet three is one!! Is a monotheistic and true faith?!!
You question the RCC yet believe a Bible compiled by them! as word of God!!

You also have nothing to contribute except dropping excerpts and links that are ridiculous,
i mean who got the time and money to make a comics about our prophet, i seriously suspect the illuminati!!
If islam is wrong, why so much propaganda against it?
If illuminati are our buddies then the MSM should be promoting islam not demonising it.
If the purpose of illuminati is to clash the two religions and bring 'order out of chaos' and you already accept that RCC is run/infiltrated by them and if even islam is by them, where is God's real religion?
It rather seems that God sent Islam to stand up against the wrong and pagan infected thinking and beliefs of church and christians.

Islam prohibits interest, drinking, gambling, pornography and excessive materialism/consumerism.
these are all the sources of income of the illuminati.
Is illuminati suicidal?!! To support Islam.
A muslim prays 5 times a day, fasts a month every year and has to pay 2.5% annual savings compulsorily to the poor as zakah(charity)
is this taking them away from God?

Great post bud, I could not of said it better myself. If I could give you 10 stars I would

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Yes, but I don't forsee a need to deficate or urinate. But maybe there is a reason or purpose I cannot fathom. But what FF needs to understand is Chriat when speaking about angels said nothing about sex, He said they do not "marry". And if we look at Genesis 6, the Nephalim were the product of angels and women procreating.

well you have a similar view about Heaven like in Islam.

"And We shall remove from their
breasts any hatred or sense of
injury" (Quran 7:43).
"Gardens of perpetual bliss: they shall
enter there, as well as the righteous
among their fathers, their spouses, and their offspring. Angels shall enter
from every gate (with the salutation):
'Peace be with you, that you
persevered in patience! Now how
excellent is the final home!" (Quran
13:23-24). “They will not hear therein ill speech
or commission of sin. But only the
saying of: 'Peace! Peace!'" (Quran
56:25-26).

"But give glad tidings to those who
believe and work righteousness, that
their portion is gardens, beneath
which rivers flow" (2:25).
"Be quick in the race for forgiveness
from your Lord, and for a garden whose width is that (of the whole) of
the heavens and of the earth,
prepared for the righteous" (3:133)
"Allah hath promised to Believers, men
and women, gardens under which
rivers flow, to dwell therein, and beautiful mansions in gardens of
everlasting bliss. But the greatest bliss
is the good pleasure of Allah. That is
the supreme felicity" (9:72).

"... Every time they are fed with fruits
therefrom, they say: 'Why, this is what
we were fed before,' for they are given
things in similitude..." (2:25).
"Therein you shall have (all) that your
inner‑selves desire, and therein you shall have all for which you ask. An
entertainment from Allah, the
Oft‑Forgiving, Most
Merciful” (41:31-32).
“Eat and drink at ease for that which
you have sent forth (good deeds) in days past!” (69:24).
“... rivers of water incorruptible; rivers
of milk of which the taste never
changes...” (Quran 47:15).

"But those who have faith and work
righteousness, they are companions
of the garden. Therein shall they abide
forever" (2:82).
"For such the reward is forgiveness
from their Lord, and Gardens with rivers flowing underneath - an eternal
dwelling. How excellent a recompense
for those who work (and
strive)!" (3:136).

btw i don't think angels procreate like said in OT and i guess FF would agree with me.

Dajjal/The Bible and the west

To everyone who doesn't think Islam and Christianity can share ideas and information, I suggest you try and debunk this thread.. I am not claimed it is 100% factual or true but until someone can explain to me why it is wrong, then I will assume you can agree. Take a look at it because it concerns everything you are argueing about in this thread.

I searched in Google to find out what Islam says about Jesus , the result totally surprised me . Everything that was fed to us about Islam is a Lie . Islam isn't a bad religion at all .

Isa ( Arabic: عيسى, Transliteration: ʿĪsā ), known as Jesus in the New Testament is considered to be a Messenger of God and the Masih (Messiah) in Islam [1] who was sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, the Injīl or Gospel.[2] The belief in Jesus (and all other messengers of God) is required in Islam, and a requirement of being a Muslim. The Quran mentions Jesus by name twenty-five times, while it only mentions Muhammad by name four times.[3][4] It states that Jesus was born to Mary (Arabic: Maryam) as the result of virginal conception, a miraculous event which occurred by the decree of God

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by mideast
You must be very curious about virgins because they are not of kind of prophet and god which you used together. They come at high prize. I bet they won't come to those who mock and do whatever they desire.

Oh golly ... more muslim male fixation with a womans sexual status ...

Dude .. 'they' (the so-called Virgins) won't come because there aren't any 'servicing virgins' in the afterlife. In the afterlife no one has sex .. no one has a body .. no one gets married .. no one has kids .. and there aren't harems of virgin women 'servicing' men for eternity - sexually or otherwise.

When a person is dead, they become etherial. Not corporal.
They are not preoccupied with having orgasim after orgasim for eternity.
That thinking is earthbound and devoid of any spiritual heights.

And your sex obsessed Qur'an directly contradicts the words of Jesus as recorded by Matthew in sacred scripture ....

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven

Listen to Jesus who you supposedly consider a prophet. He said NO SEX after death.
None. Zero. Nada. Therefore .. no servicing 'virgins' ... not 72 .. not even one.

Ok , don't get upset , women can get their special male , too. ( I don't know about number and I don't say what I don't know)

And who know what afterlife is exactly? and what is the difference between afterlives.

After resurrection ,there are some people living like angels , but some are not living like angels , they live good lives like humans. They enjoy what humans enjoy how god wanted , and there are others who are suffering like how humans suffer in this world.(according both books).

Don't just read one part of bible , look it as a whole and try to put everything together in the place.

And maybe I am not looking as extensive as you look , but there is no blame on me while I follow the instructions and you follow your instruction , we will get good results. Maybe it is better to get surprised.