What Allah says to Christians

You won't like it .. but here ya' go ...

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Even though Jesus affirmed it?

(Jesus) "In the beginning God made them male and female" ... that doesn't mean there is an Adam and Eve. That just means that God made males and females.
(Jesus) "in the days of Noah" ... 'Until Noah entered the Ark" ....
Jesus was using a popular story to make a point. It doesn't necessarily mean it is to be taken literally. Being protestant, you should be used to this. John 6 .. Jesus said 'unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you will not have life within you'. Catholics take it literally. Protestants do not.

Belief in Genesis isn't important to salvation.
The New Testament is.
Noahs Ark, Adam and Eve, Moses Ten Commandments .. they are not.

Originally posted by logical7
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I can't see how it would be a heavenly experience for the "virgin". To be perpetually raped for eternity.

thats rude!!!

What else would you call it? A woman having to 'sexually service' a man for all eternity so he can have orgasim after orgasim .... that's not exactly 'heaven' for her, ya' know?? It's mundane and sounds like hell to me.

If you think sex as carnal then so is hunger.

No one will have to eat in heaven. If you have a spiritual body that can't get sick and can't decay, then you won't need physical food for it to be powered.

Animals and plants would have to die in order to provide food for people. In heaven there is no death. No disease. No decay. So no animals and plants giving their lives for us. And what about poop?

Right now heaven to me would be coffee and pasta and feeling good instead of sick. But heaven is so much more than that ... we can't imagine. Our ideas of 'heavenly' are ignorant compared to what it will be.

reply to post by FlyersFan


We just return to energy or something.. Nothing in this world is in the afterlife unless you are permitted to return to this plane of existence. Thats assuming there is anything after this world.

reply to post by FlyersFan

It's not just standing there gawking at Him ... it's being WITH Him. He is our ultimate goal.

I agree to it completely. In Qur'an God calls it the 'highest achievement'

I don't want to be 'servicing'
men for all eternity. I want to be with God ... without carnal
animal drives ... without being
subjugated by men for their carnal
pleasures.

I don't get why a woman has to 'service' her man.
Its about a companionship, a union of two people in love and not just casual sex, it not a pleasure for one and pain for the other.

In islam, when a husband and wife get intimate, it can also be taken as an act of worship, it is helping them bond, it is strengthening the family, it prevents the man and woman from looking for that intimacy elsewhere and so saves their spirituality and prevents degradation of the society too.

reply to post by logical7


So what about the other 71 women?

reply to post by FlyersFan


Oh, okay. You're not a fundamentalist. The Bible isn't the inspired word of the Living God, just a collection of cute stories for kids and low-IQ peasants.

Does that basically sum-up your feelings?

reply to post by FlyersFan

What else would you call it? A woman having to 'sexually service' a man for all eternity so he can have orgasim after orgasim .... that's not exactly 'heaven' for her, ya' know?? It's mundane and sounds like hell to me.

i answered that to you before, your opinion is based on your idea that only a man enjoys it and wants it.

Heaven is also about being in company of the ones you loved here and spending time with them, what wrong in a husband and wife spending time together?

No one will have to eat in heaven. If
you have a spiritual body that can't get
sick and can't decay, then you won't
need physical food for it to be
powered.

that brings us back to 'fish and honeycomb' you din't answer why and how Jesus pbuh ate it?
IMO he was proving that he is alive and din't die and/or he was hungry.
NuT takes that as a proof that resurrected bodies in heaven will get to enjoy food.
But your opinion is inconsistent with your belief that NT is 'all true'

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by logical7

 

So what about the other 71 women?

what 71? I had told before that its from a weak hadith, nowhere in Qur'an it mentions that number, Qur'an mentions beautiful heavenly companions. Heaven will have Beauty in every way. Right?
Its lustful to stare at women here as Jesus pbuh said. In heaven the reward for not doing it here would be to have a beautiful spouse there.

reply to post by logical7

Look .. God wants sex to stay in marriage. Jesus said no marriage.
Therefore .. there is no sex. If you want to have an everlasting orgasim
in heaven ... take it up with Jesus when you get there.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Snarky.

The Old Testament stories are untrustworthy.
Adam and Eve?? Noahs Ark?? Whatever. Unimportant.
Psalms written by David? Not all .. the proof is on the
walls of Egyptian temples .. temples older than David
which have the same writings. Again .. whatever. Unimportant.

Angels having sex with humans? Can't happen. Two different species.
Angels are pure spirit. Humans are physical bodies. Impossible.
Obviously the peasants got it wrong.

The New Testament? Recorded history of Jesus. Written by His
apostles and those who studied under them. MUCH more worthy of
trust.

If you are going to buy that the entire bible is absolute truth,
that's your business. However, there is plenty of proof around us that
show us that the Old Testament has a whole lotta' silly in it. And thinking
that a species that is pure spirit (angels) can somehow procreate with
a whole different species (humans) who don't even share the same
makeup .... that's pretty absurd. But like I said .. go ahead and believe it if
it makes you happy. It's unimportant to salvation.

BACK TO THE TOPIC -
God says that sex stays within marriage.
Jesus said that there is no marriage in Heaven.
Therefore .. no sex in heaven.

Ya'll can believe it or not. I don't care either way.
But I do find it interesting that some folks are really addicted to carnal pleasures
and don't understand that heaven is ABOVE ALL THAT.

Originally posted by logical7
In heaven the reward for not doing it here would be to have a beautiful spouse there.

You said you think Jesus is a prophet .. well, here are the words of your prophet ...
Matthew 22:30 - At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. (Jesus words).

No marriage. No sex.
Like the Angels in Heaven.
So Angels dont' have sex either.

So says your prophet.
If you don't like it ... you'll have to take it up with Him when you meet Him in the afterlife.

reply to post by FlyersFan


This conversation is highly amusing

a few points here...

I personally will be quite upset if there is no eating or drinking in heaven... that means no beer

and has anyone heard the theory that the Nephilim were actually the Neanderthal?

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The case could be made because by the looks of those Neathandrels, they were big strong looking primos.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

This conversation is highly amusing

a few points here...

I personally will be quite upset if there is no eating or drinking in heaven... that means no beer

I suggest you try for Islamic Heaven
there would be drinks and yet no sick feeling after having too many.

But the catch is, NO drinks HERE!!
However God can forgive it ofcourse. The basic idea is to obey God and the command is to avoid intoxicants.

Here's a video that gives a basics of Heaven in Islam, its about half hour long, you may watch it if you can spare the time, i also hope FF and NuT will watch it and comment.

Originally posted by Akragon
and has anyone heard the theory that the Nephilim were actually the Neanderthal?

That makes a heck of a lot more sense than saying that a species of pure spirit beings somehow procreated with a an organic human species. The Adam and Eve myth talks about 'others' being outside the garden of Eden who Cain was afraid of when he was forced to leave the garden. If the story is even remotely true, then who were the 'others' .... neaderthals ...

Originally posted by logical7

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

I personally will be quite upset if there is no eating or drinking in heaven... that means no beer

I suggest you try for Islamic Heaven

Yep ... give Islamic Heaven a try ... total carnal gluttony.
Anyone with human addictions ... sex, food, alcohol, ... they'd love it.
As for me ... the Christians and the Buddhists make more sense.
Rejecting the mundane and worldly for a more advanced and higher spiritual reality.

I just hope the Buddhists are wrong about reincarnation.
I don't want to be stuck back here ... EVER.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Akragon
and has anyone heard the theory that the Nephilim were actually the Neanderthal?

That makes a heck of a lot more sense than saying that a species of pure spirit beings somehow procreated with a an organic human species. The Adam and Eve myth talks about 'others' being outside the garden of Eden who Cain was afraid of when he was forced to leave the garden. If the story is even remotely true, then who were the 'others' .... neaderthals ...

The rabbinical and early Christian interpretation of Genesis 6 was the angel view. And it's corroborated in 2 Peter and Jude. Not to mention the LXX says angels.

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There will be wine in heaven.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
And it's corroborated in 2 Peter and Jude. Not to mention the LXX says angels.

Because Peter and Jude bought into it. It was their religious beliefs and they didn't understand that two totally different species, from two totally different dimensions of reality, can't procreate. A pure spirit can't make babies with an organic human. They just can't.

Saying that Old Testament teachings must be true because Peter says so is no different than having Muslims today say that what Muhammad said is true, so it must be true. Peter is just repeating what he has been told. Same with todays Muslims just repeating what they've been told. It doesn't mean they are correct.

Oh .. I have no idea what LXX is. You'll have to spell out that shorthand ...

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
There will be wine in heaven.

That means there will be death in heaven. Plants will have to die.
Death is the opposite of life ... and heaven is supposed to be about life.

So where are people going to poop and pee in heaven?
If they are eating and drinking, then they have to poop and pee.
So there will be plumbers in heaven?
And factories to make bathroom fixtures?
And sewage treatment plants?
And air pollution from the factories?

See where this is going?
That kind of heaven doesn't make much sense ... does it?