(URGENT) N. Korea threatens preemptive nuclear strike against aggressors

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


You were the one to declare that I "loath" communism, all because I stated that a government of a country is letting it's people starve.

You. Not me. YOU are the one that is hung up on that word and form of government. YOU are the one that is ASSUMING things about other people on here. YOU are the one that is attacking other members who express their opinions, instead of going after the ball........even after I challenged you to do so.

Do I hate communists? Nope. Sorry. Never really had a reason to that I can think of. I don't care for that type of government, but that's just my preference. If other people like it, then I'm happy for them.

Do I hate a government that let's it's people starve (no matter what type of government that is)? Absolutely.

That covers just about every government on the face of this planet that have done that. Some have done it on a grander scale is all. Stalin comes to mind.......

So are you going to back up your claims? Or are you going to continue to point fingers at ATS members and call them "communist haters!" ? I think the former would contribute to the thread more IMHO.

If anyone wants to know what missile capability's the DPRK have: here is the link news.nationalpost.com... from the link

Graphic: What Are North Korea’s Intentions?
Republish Reprint

Richard Johnson | 12/02/13 | Last Updated: 13/03/10 12:06 AM ET
More from Richard Johnson | @newsillustrator

North Korea has drawn widespread condemnation after conducting a nuclear test in defiance of international bans. Pyongyang said its scientists had set off a “miniaturised” nuclear device. The test could bring North Korea a step closer to developing a nuclear warhead small enough to be mounted on a long-range missile. North Korea also has a fearsome collection of biological and chemical weapons. North Korean rockets have the potential to strike at most of its close neighbours and the potential to reach Europe, much of the U.S. and all of Australia.

the link shows what or whom could be under a DPRK nuke, Bio or Chem cloud

It seems that the DPRK is losing some of it frontline troops,

Despite war threats, N. Korean border units hit by growing AWOLs
By Kim Eun-jung
SEOUL, March 12 (Yonhap) -- Despite repeated war threats from Pyongyang, an increasing number of North Korean soldiers have gone AWOL from their front-line combat units in recent months, sources in Seoul said Tuesday, in a possible sign of rising discontent in the rank and file suffering from grueling winter training and food shortages.

"A recent analysis revealed the number of deserters in front-line military units has increased by seven to eight times compared to the same period of the previous year," a source said, asking for anonymity as he is not allowed to talk about military information. "Military and government officials are closely looking into the cause of the rise in desertions."

the above is form english.yonhapnews.co.kr... it goes on to say

Front-line troops are grappling with difficulties in hunting down runaway soldiers while carrying out extensive drills in response to South Korea-U.S. joint exercises, the source said.

"Most of them are rank-and-file soldiers," another source said, asking for anonymity. "Frequent training without offering enough food may have led to their desertions."

While the North has carried out regular winter drills from December to February in the past several years, this year's training was extended to March, which is seen as a response to annual joint drills by South Korean and U.S. forces that began earlier this month.

Although Pyongyang has issued daily threats to launch an all-out war against Seoul and Washington, some question whether the impoverished nation is capable of making a pre-emptive attack when there's a great risk of retaliation.

While tensions have further escalated since Pyongyang threatened to scrap the 1953 Armistice Agreement that ended the Korean War and void non-aggression treaties signed with the South, a senior defense ministry official doubted whether its announcement means a declaration of a full-scale war, saying: "Barking dogs don't bite."

no but an untrained one will bark before biting

N. Korea says S. Korea, U.S. will be held accountable for 'catastrophic consequences'

english.yonhapnews.co.kr...

Continuing weeks of threats to strike back against its enemies, North Korea said Tuesday that South Korea and the United States will be held accountable for the "catastrophic consequences" of their ongoing joint military drills.

"The U.S. and south Korean puppet forces are wholly to blame for all the ensuing catastrophic consequences from this moment," the North Korea's Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of Korea said in a statement.

The threats made by the organization charged with dealing with Seoul are the latest in a series of bellicose rhetoric raised by the communist country over the two allies' joint military exercises, which the North denounces as a rehearsal for invasion.

well don't be holding your breath, DPRK can not make the first move and not be held unaccountable for it was to do so , DPRK would stand alone,and be wiped of the face of the earth China would not interfere with any strike on the DPRK, DPRK knows this, It is there turn to make SK US strike first, i do not think we will take the bait Bush Dubleya is not in office.

well stupid is as stupid does nwww.koreaherald.com... from the link

Ratcheting up its defense posture, Seoul warned last week that it would launch a counterstrike -- 10 times stronger than the provocation -- at the origin of the attack, forces supporting it and its commanders.

now for the rest of the story

As the communist state has recently set no-fly, no-sail zones in its western and eastern frontline areas, the South Korean military has been keeping closer tabs on the possibility of North Korean provocations.

It believes the North could launch short-range missiles such as the KN-02 missile with a range of around 120 km and Scud-B/C missiles with ranges of 300-500 km.

Some observers said Pyongyang could launch attacks in cyberspace or low-intensity provocations similar to the sinking of the corvette Cheonan or artillery attack on Yeonpyeongdo, both of which took place in 2010, killing a total of 50 South Koreans.

Ratcheting up its defense posture, Seoul warned last week that it would launch a counterstrike -- 10 times stronger than the provocation -- at the origin of the attack, forces supporting it and its commanders.

Seoul and Washington will soon complete their joint plan to respond to North Korean provocations and are now in “final coordination,” South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff said, dismissing the reports concerning the delay due to the difficulty reconciling the allies’ differences over it.

“It is not a delay, but we are pushing to complete the plan in line with the changing situations including the North’s missile launch (in December) and nuclear test (on Feb. 12). It has been proceeding according to our mutual schedules,” it said in a statement.

The allies initially planned to complete the plan by January this year, but have yet to finalize the work apparently due to some differences over the scope of a potential counterattack.

Seoul argues it should launch a strong counter strike in the name of self-defense while Washington appears uneasy about Seoul taking too aggressive a stance due to the risk of provocations escalating into a full-blown war, which could drag in both the U.S. and China.

As the international community including its only major ally China has been moving toward tougher punishment for its Feb. 12 nuclear test, Pyongyang has spewed out a series of hostile statements against Seoul and Washington.

On Saturday, Pyongyang’s foreign ministry dismissed a fresh U.N. Security Council sanctions resolution as a “byproduct of U.S. hostile policy,” and vowed to make permanent its status as a nuclear power and satellite-launching country.

Unanimously adopted on Thursday to condemn the North’s third atomic test, UNSC Resolution 2094 entails tougher sanctions including those targeting illicit activities of North Korea’s diplomats, financial transactions and bulk-cash transfers.

still seems as this is not over , anyone hearing the fat lady singing ?

This is for you that are asking or will How the freek did we get here? The DPRK have no one to blame but hem selves for this, as to be fair here is their version of things, at the bottom reread that

National Peace Committee of Korea's Memorandum Discloses
U.S. History of Nuclear Threats to DPRK



The National Peace Committee of Korea released a memorandum on March 8 explaining how the nuclear issue spawned on the Korean Peninsula, who is the arch criminal of the nuclear threat and why the DPRK became to access the nuclear deterrence.

According to the memorandum, the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula is attributable to the nuclear threat directly posed to the DPRK by the U.S. which resorted to the war of aggression and hostile policy toward the DPRK.

The document goes on:

The U.S. imperialists, which provoked the war for aggression of Korea in June 1950, shipped nuclear weapons to south Korea in August that year and at the end of the year openly disclosed its plan to drop 30-50 A-bombs in Korea-China border areas.

Eisenhower, U.S. president-elect at that time, blustered on May 13, 1953 that it will be more beneficial to use an atomic bomb rather than conventional weapons in Korea when taking into account the financial aspect.

After it sustained a shameful defeat in the Korean war, the U.S. has viciously resorted to nuclear threats to the DPRK, pursuant to its moves for a new war.

The U.S. set out for nuclear weaponization of its forces present in south Korea. It reorganized its forces' division into Pentomic A-bomb Division equipped with tactical nuclear weapons and introduced Honest John nuclear missile battalion and 280 mm atomic artillery pieces battalion.

In 1958 the U.S. brought 588 tactical guided missile battalion of the U.S. air force and set up the 4th guided missile command of the U.S. forces.

Entering the 1960s, the U.S. renamed Pentomic A-bomb Division ROAD Division and introduced to south Korea atomic and guided weapons with various missions.

After the Vietnamese war in the mid-1970s, the U.S. declared south Korea as an area for defending front and pressed for the policy for turning south Korea into a nuclear base.

Member of the U.S. House of Representatives Ronald, speaking at a parliament, confessed that the U.S. shipped more than 1 000 nuclear weapons to south Korea and deployed 54 airplanes for carrying nuclear bombs.

In the 1980s the U.S. spurred the modernization of the nuclear hardware of its forces in south Korea.

Early in the 1980s the U.S. deployed 31 155mm nuclear shells, 133 nuclear bombs for air use, 63 nuclear shells for 8 inch howitzers and 21 nuclear land mines before any other base of its forces overseas.

South Korea turned into the world's biggest nuclear outpost with the stockpile of nuclear weapons such as bombs, shells, warheads, land mines and carrier means as well as nuclear bases and arsenals.

The U.S. nuclear threats were vividly manifested in its open declaration to use nuclear weapons in Korea.

In January 1968 when the U.S. imperialists' armed spyship "Pueblo" was captured, the U.S. reviewed the nuclear attack plan. When the spy plane EC-121 was brought down from the sky above Korea in April 1969, the U.S. put tactical bombers mounted with nuclear weapons on standby and the then U.S President Nixon said that he approved the use of A-bomb in case Korea makes counterattack.

When the Korean Peninsula was almost in the state of "emergency" in 2002, the U.S. made the preemptive nuclear attack on the DPRK a fait accompli by granting the U.S. forces' first use of nuclear weapons. It even asserted that it will develop smaller nuclear weapons for destroying underground facilities.

The present Obama administration has steadily increased nuclear threats, putting the DPRK in the list of preemptive nuclear attack targets.

The U.S. at the 41st annual security consultative meeting in 2009 with the south Korean puppet forces made public a joint press release in which it promised the offer to south Korea of the nuclear umbrella, capacity for striking with conventional weapons, a missile shield and other extended deterrence.

The U.S. forces and the south Korean forces worked out a number of scenarios for invading the DPRK and pushed forward the moves to put big and annual joint military drills including Key Resolve, Foal Eagle and Ulji Freedom Guardian into an actual war every year.

The memorandum disclosed the south Korean puppet forces as a chieftain that increased the danger of a nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula and hampered the solution to the nuclear issue in league with the U.S.

The successive puppet regimes of south Korea connived at and encouraged the U.S. shipment of nuclear weapons to south Korea and actively joined the U.S. in its moves for a nuclear war against the DPRK.

In the 1980s, traitor Chun Doo Hwan in alignment with the U.S. brought to south Korea a neutron bomb called the "weapon of evil in the 20th century".

The puppet forces fully entrusted the U.S. with the right to use the nuclear weapons deployed in south Korea.

They formed the extended deterrence policy committee with the U.S. and agreed to hold exercises for using the extended deterrence means. Since 2011 they have put them into practice.

They have pushed forward the development of nuclear weapons in secrecy while taking an active part in the U.S. moves for a nuclear war.

The Park Chung Hee military dictatorial regime, in particular, laid out a nuclear weapons development plan and mulled processing nuclear fuel in 1969. It formed a nuclear and missile development team in 1974 and arranged nuclear fuel development area in 1976.

In September 1978, it test-fired ground to ground missile Paekgom capable of mounting nuclear warheads developed by the defense scientific research institute.

In November 1985, it completed the construction of a facility for extracting plutonium and put it into full operation from 1987.

South Korea directed efforts into the development of nuclear weapons delivery means as evidenced by the development of 256km range ground to ground missile Hyonmu capable of carrying out nuclear warheads and their deployment for an actual war in 1987.

It is openly calling for "nuclear weaponization" now.

It has viciously obstructed the negotiations for the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

Traitor Kim Young Sam resorted to the whole gamut of machinations to break down the DPRK-U.S. negotiations by currying favor with the U.S.

The cursed traitor Lee Myung Bak group threw hurdles in the way of the DPRK-U.S. talks, claiming that the "nuclear issue of the north" is destroying the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and obstructing the efforts for the development of the south-north relations.

The Lee Myung Bak group called the DPRK's peaceful satellite launch "a long-range missile launch" till the last moments of its office and worked with bloodshot eyes to materialize international "sanctions" citing the launch as a pretext.

The memorandum said that the DPRK's access to nuclear deterrence for self-defence was entirely attributable to the U.S. and its stooge south Korean puppet forces.

The DPRK has constantly called for the withdrawal of the U.S. nuclear weapons since their shipment to south Korea and always maintained that the Korean Peninsula be denuclearized while working hard for the solution to the nuclear issue.

Far from responding to the DPRK's sincere efforts, the U.S. prodded some circles of the International Atomic Energy Agency to create sort of "discrepancy" of nuclear materials and forced the DPRK to receive special inspection. It also resumed Team Spirit joint military exercises and openly increased the danger of a nuclear war.

The DPRK has made sincere efforts for the settlement of the nuclear issue on the peninsula through direct talk with the U.S. directly responsible for the issue.

The DPRK's efforts for the peaceful settlement of the nuclear issue through dialogue have faced a serious challenge as junior Bush administration took power in the U.S.

The U.S. hostile policy toward the DPRK has remained unchanged under the present Obama government.

The Obama administration kicked up anti-DPRK nuclear racket, calling the DPRK's peaceful satellite launch that was recognized by international law "a long-range missile launch". This made the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula more serious one.

The situation eloquently proves that the DPRK was just when it decided to access nuclear deterrence for self-defence to cope with the U.S. nuclear threats.

The memorandum warned that the U.S. and the south Korean puppet forces should know that they will get nothing but destruction and disaster for their provocative anti-DPRK nuclear racket.

Rodong Sinmun

for you that just wanted to get to the bottom here it is

The memorandum warned that the U.S. and the south Korean puppet forces should know that they will get nothing but destruction and disaster for their provocative anti-DPRK nuclear racket.

Un got us shacking in our boots... NOT!!!!

Has Russia said anything over all this? I havent hear them say anything of late.

have I missed what they might have said?

Jay

reply to post by ototheb85


Not really since Feb. They came out to urge NK to cut it out after the test...and voted for the UN resolution along with China, but so far, they've been pretty mum on the subject...which probably means they've been busy planning on how they are getting their goods around the sanctions...

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Russia has become pretty standoffish with regards to North Korea. They see them as too high of a risk to invest in anymore with all their posturing and pissing off oh, everyone. They wanted to invest in an oil pipeline through the DPRK, but if war breaks out, they lose everything. Or if there are other problems, they would have an extremely hard time seeing any return on their investment, which would be substantial for just about anything they do.

just an up date on the nuke non nuke war that DPRK says it will have this is from the Souths point of view nwww.koreaherald.com... from the link

N. Korea unlikely to attack South with nukes



Published : 2013-03-12 20:39
Updated : 2013-03-12 20:39
With North Korea repeatedly warning of “nuclear retaliatory strikes,” questions have been raised over whether Pyongyang’s threats are credible or simply for deterrence and to up the political ante.

Experts largely agreed that although its nuclear arms posed a formidable threat, the communist state was unlikely to consider a preemptive nuclear attack inviting an overwhelming retaliation that would doom the dictatorial regime.

But some noted that fledgling leader Kim Jong-un, struggling to project an image of a charismatic leader for the 1.19-million-strong military, could think irrationally and make misjudgments leading to a catastrophic decision.

“Even if (the North) might have a policy of ‘no first use,’ the efficacy of the nuclear arms is political impact. With the threat of nuclear arms, the North could frighten the South and occupy it without using conventional arms,” said Lee Choon-kun, a security expert at the Korea Economic Research Institute.

“This is why all countries under the threat of nuclear attack possess nuclear arms. Of course, that excludes South Korea.”

North Korea conducted three atomic tests in 2006, 2009 and last month, and vowed to “make permanent its status as a nuclear power.” It has constantly enhanced its delivery technology, threatening the security of the U.S. and its allies.

Weeks before South Korea and the U.S. launched its annual 11-day Key Resolve exercise on Monday, Pyongyang ratcheted up its bellicose rhetoric, calling the drills a “rehearsal for a nuclear war of incursion.” As the level of its threats increases, Seoul said the North was employing “psychological tactics” to frighten South Koreans.

Pyongyang appears to be seeking to secure the so-called “first strike capability” ― a preemptive surprise nuclear attack capability to defeat another nuclear power. But it seems to have a long way to go to reach that when the U.S. provides a nuclear umbrella to its key Asian ally South Korea.

“North Korea may be able to launch a ‘first strike’ with nuclear weapons against South Korea, Japan, or China. But a ‘first strike capability’ usually refers to a country being able to use nuclear weapons to destroy all or most of an opponent’s nuclear weapons capability ― preventing an opponent’s retaliation,” Bruce Bennett, a senior defense analyst at the RAND Corporation, told The Korea Herald by email.

yawn yawn getting to be boring

Originally posted by eriktheawful

So are you going to back up your claims? Or are you going to continue to point fingers at ATS members and call them "communist haters!" ? I think the former would contribute to the thread more IMHO.

The fact NATO has leveled sanctions and bombed so many countries the last decade and a half is less important than a communist dictatorship that is isolated and desperate??? It has become focus on NK, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran but don't dare look at NATO!

Exaggerate one side, downplay or ignore the other. I am glad china and russia vote neutral or pro sanctions but I am not the one that is constantly accussing NK of all the blame. Sure NK has their share, but just a share and not all of it.

If people can't see the forest for the trees then that is their problem. Too bad the usual zionist haters are not participating in this thread. I have to pick up their slack and look like a troll in stating the obvious again and again. I am done!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by eriktheawful

So are you going to back up your claims? Or are you going to continue to point fingers at ATS members and call them "communist haters!" ? I think the former would contribute to the thread more IMHO.

The fact NATO has leveled sanctions and bombed so many countries the last decade and a half is less important than a communist dictatorship that is isolated and desperate??? It has become focus on NK, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran but don't dare look at NATO!

Exaggerate one side, downplay or ignore the other. I am glad china and russia vote neutral or pro sanctions but I am not the one that is constantly accussing NK of all the blame. Sure NK has their share, but just a share and not all of it.

If people can't see the forest for the trees then that is their problem. Too bad the usual zionist haters are not participating in this thread. I have to pick up their slack and look like a troll in stating the obvious again and again. I am done!

edit on 12/3/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: (no reason given)

Okay, so your answer is "No." you're not going to back up your claims.

I at least appreciate your honesty then.

Originally posted by eriktheawful

Okay, so your answer is "No." you're not going to back up your claims.

I already did on the previous page by providing links. Here they are again...

www.abovetopsecret.com...&flagit=853902

www.atimes.com...

Why don't you read them? They contain LOTS of information. Are you scared of anything that disagrees with your pre-determined views?

The issue is not NK, it is NATO seeking to divide and conquer as usual. Oh I must be anti-american huh? True patriots despise lies and seek truth. The only thing I hate is democrats and republicans, and for good reason!

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NATO as far as I know would play not part in NEW WAR with DPRK, its members might, but under UN control like they did in the old war. 50-53

here is some intel on intel form US intel english.yonhapnews.co.kr...

(2nd LD) N. Korea fielding mobile ICBM: U.S. intelligence chief
(ATTN: UPDATES with State Department's press briefing in last 4 paras; CORRECTS information in 15th para)
By Lee Chi-dong
WASHINGTON, March 12 (Yonhap) -- North Korea seems to have taken "initial steps" to deploy mobile long-range missiles, the head of the U.S. intelligence community said Tuesday, as the unpredictable communist nation churns out military threats.

"Last April it displayed what appears to be a rogue mobile intercontinental ballistic missile," James Clapper, director of National Intelligence, said at a Senate hearing on national security challenges. "We believe North Korea has already taken initial steps towards fielding this system, although it remains untested."

He was apparently talking about North Korea's military parade in April last year, in which what seems to be a new long-range missile was made public.

place your bets, fake? real? nuked tipped or bio /chem or conventional ? one more to add , will blow up on launch?

reply to post by bekod


It's quite possible they are fake.

Fake missile are, of course, easier to put together and put on display in a parade where your average person will not know the difference.

That being said, real missiles are pretty much not paraded around in any case.

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so your for Fake as to the one being fielded? just to make sure, do not one to say yes it is fake when the one being might be real or should i clear up the question?

Originally posted by CALGARIAN

Originally posted by MidnightTide
So tomorrow is the big day, time to # or get off the pot North Korea.

Its 100% legal there. They know its just a plant, so...

So much for Land Of The Free America.

It's legal here too lol.

Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

so your for Fake as to the one being fielded? just to make sure, do not one to say yes it is fake when the one being might be real or should i clear up the question?

I'm saying that missiles in a parade are normally fake, or "decomissioned" (as in their guts have been ripped out).

You normally do not put live munitions on display in a parade. Things can go wrong.

So if their intelligence is based on what they saw displayed in a parade, I'm not impressed by that. You can fake anything given enough sheet metal and paint.

Now, satellite pictures of the same missiles deployed where they would be launched from.....that's a different story. Unless of course you made fake ones that you know are going to be photographed by spy satellites,

So yes, based on the information, IE they were seen in a parade, I'm going with "Fake".