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posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 06:44 AM
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posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 06:59 AM
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We are going to stop discussing other Members and post On Topic or we are going to move along

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posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by fatpastyhead
I do a lot of work for Muslims, Pakistanis, Turkish, white British, black British, Chinese and so many more and they all pay and are all nice people.

I do think immigration needs to stop now though. we have done our bit and we don't need any more people claiming money etc.


Your opinion is quite common in the UK.


• We should stop all immigration permanently 18%
• We should stop all immigration until the economy improves 16%
• We should only allow in skilled immigrants who will help the economy 39%
• We should only allow in skilled and unskilled immigrants who will help the economy 22%
• We should allow all types of immigration 5%

Populus


It appears that only 5% of British people agree with unrestricted immigration. 95% of people feel it should be stopped or only allowed if the immigrant helps the British economy.



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 08:15 AM
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You have no idea of how to read data, this is completely unrelated to your white vs 'other' argument. Immigration refers to just that, immigration. I'd think you would find more statistics (warped im sure) ti fit your mind set (which in and has always been in the UK, a tiny and ashamed minority) with little 'victories' here and their that never amount to anything. You may feel more comfortable and more welcome spreading failed ideology at sites run by the BNP and their Ilk. There you will find like minded people, who will welcome you with open arms.
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posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by Ollncasino

95% of people feel it should be stopped or only allowed if the immigrant helps the British economy.



Originally posted by spacedog1973

I'd think you would find more statistics (warped im sure) ti fit your mind set (which in and has always been in the UK, a tiny and ashamed minority) with little 'victories' here and their that never amount to anything.


The survey that shows that 95% of British people polled wish to either stop immigration entirely or restrict it to immigrants who help the economy was carried out for Searchlight, an anti-racist organization.



Originally posted by spacedog1973

You may feel more comfortable and more welcome spreading failed ideology at sites run by the BNP and their Ilk. There you will find like minded people, who will welcome you with open arms.


It would appear that you are one of the 5% who support uncontrolled immigration.

I am somewhat surprised that you have launched such a vitriolic ad hominium attack against me.

It is you who is the extremist, holding an opinion unacceptable to 95% of British people. Yet you don't even realize it!


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posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by spacedog1973




You have no idea of how to read data, this is completely unrelated to your white vs 'other' argument. Immigration refers to just that, immigration. I'd think you would find more statistics (warped im sure) ti fit your mind set (which in and has always been in the UK, a tiny and ashamed minority) with little 'victories' here and their that never amount to anything. You may feel more comfortable and more welcome spreading failed ideology at sites run by the BNP and their Ilk. There you will find like minded people, who will welcome you with open arms.
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what pathetic demonisation, the fella has done nothing to warrant being told to run off to the BNP- he has espoused a reasonable and widely held view on mass immigration- it is you who are on the fringes and your time is in the past, back in the 90s and noughties, when those on the fringe tried to surpress talk on immigration with baby "racist" crying- not anymore, not anymore



posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 10:20 PM
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Here is an ats thread that shows that the 95% are on the right track. Also, it might shut up some of the fools that back unvetted immigration.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

To the 5% wake up! (I would say before it's too late but me thinks that might be "too late")

(oh, notice I used too instead of to? _ _ _ _ just a pet hate of mine along with "then" instead of "than" and vice versa)
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posted on Mar, 11 2013 @ 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by CJCrawley


"You're a bigot! You're a bigot! Na-na-na-na-na, you're a bigot!" doesn't constitute evidence, but if that's all you've got....

And what in the name of Moses is a "bigot" in any case?

I'm afraid you'll have to translate - I'm not fluent in Labourspeak (and I only have a smattering of Serbo-Croat)


1 Look it up in a dictionary

2 Reread the thread. I have been specific and clear about why you are a bigot.





Oh, so you're not?

I must have imagined it.

What are we arguing about then?


Your assertion that Britain is magically a country for "white" people. And your confusion and twisting of facts relating to immigration, culture and ethnicity to incorrectly shore up your viewpoint.





Oh brother, here we go again.

I almost haven't the energy.

Ok Dick Tracy, who said this:

"But the vast, vast majority of Britain remains overwhelmingly white and culturally 'British'."

"Of course I know that most people who live and have lived in Britain have been white."

Correctamundo!

So - if this isn't too much of a logical leap for you - if the "vast majority" (your words) of a country's population are white.......I guess that must mean it's a white country?

Stop me if I've made a mistake.


You have made a mistake. Countries do not have colours. There is no connection between "tradition" and what should continue to happen.





They would if they weren't Indian nationals. Many Indians aren't.

Indian children not born in India, for example.

Are you honestly saying that all those 200,000 applicants are white westerners?

Doubt it, baby.


If they aren't Indian nationals they are not Indian. This is really quite simple stuff.

This is one of the category errors you are prone to because of your prejudice on the matter. You think "Indian" people can "return home" even if they are born in Leeds, and that brown people living in Delhi are locals even if Bangladeshi because... well, they all look the same to you.

At the same time you want to think of people culturally almost identical to you - a Romanian catholic, for example - as massively different because it suits you to do so. There is no consistency to your line of thinking because it is based on prejudice.





Yes.

And black people, and oriental people.

According to the wiki page on Delhi, the ethnicity is Punjabi and Hindi.

Doesn't sound like there's an awful lot of anyone but Indians.


Look a little deeper. There are millions of Bangladeshis. There are increasingly large numbers of western immigrants, as I've shown. And yet you're happy to use one line of wikipedia and a vague feeling that all brown people are the same to bolster an argument that doesn't make any sense anyway.





Dress it up any way you like, baby.

When their population is as 'multicultural' as ours, I'll shut up.

Not because I agree, but at least mass immigration would be conducted on a more level playing field.


So you're against mass immigration but you would prefer mass immigration to occur in Delhi. You're ignoring the mass immigration of Bangladeshi people in Delhi because... why? And if immigration is wrong anywhere then why is it okay in Delhi?





No, I do mind. I'm against mass immigration, chump.

And you know the "vast majority" are from Eastern Europe?



You said that as long as someone was ethniically or culturally Punjabi or Hindi they couldn't be considered an immigrant to Delhi.

But a white christian can be considered an immigrant to a "white" christian country?

Why?





Someone hasn't been reading their Guardian.......


Yes, 11.9 per cent is a majority.



Take a look at the figures since 2005 and you'll note that the majority of immigrants are from Eastern Europe. And that the numbers are slowing.

In Delhi they are growing, because of the economy improving. Perhaps one day you'll have to go and live there for work. That would be ironic.



posted on Mar, 11 2013 @ 02:49 AM
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I didn't twist your words. I asked a series of fairly reasonable questions and made points - fairly politely, I thought - about why you are wrong in various specifics. Another poster has said I launched an attack on your character but this is patently false.

You've responded with a screed that is entirely emotive and addresses none of my points. I don't say it's "okay for me to speak from experience" alone, no. I don't think you can "only go on" experience, no.

Butr I'll reiterate my main points. I consider them unanswerable, which is why I think you haven't made an effort to answer them.

1 You say we have no immigration controls. This is untrue. We have a points system that overwhelmingly favours skilled labourers.

2 You made the point that Bradford was prosperous in the past but that now it has many immigrants. You suggest the latter has caused the former. Why?

3 You say an immigrant can expect fantastic benefits but you refuse to answer a question about what they actually get. Do you know?

4 You assert that it is impossible for people of different cultures to get along and that mixing them will end in violence because people don't want to accept others. But you can't explain why this is, why you are offended by other cultures, or why it sometimes works.



posted on Mar, 11 2013 @ 03:27 AM
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Originally posted by CJCrawley

I like dull.

Dull is good.


I'm sure you do.

I'll take curries, my local Italian deli, "foreign" music, Thierry Henry, and economic prosperity.

You can have morris dancing, Greggs sausage rolls, the three-day week and Hermans Hermits.



posted on Mar, 11 2013 @ 11:15 AM
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1 Look it up in a dictionary

2 Reread the thread. I have been specific and clear about why you are a bigot.


And still you provide no evidence.

Cool.

(It's still name-calling, by the way)




Your assertion that Britain is magically a country for "white" people.


Where did I say it's a country for white people?

I said it's a white country, because most of the population are white.

If most of the population were not white, then it would no longer be a white country.

Do you see how it works?




And your confusion and twisting of facts relating to immigration, culture and ethnicity to incorrectly shore up your viewpoint.


A vague insult without anything to back it up.




If they aren't Indian nationals they are not Indian.


Their ethnocultural group is Indian.

Just as Cliff Richard's ethnocultural group is white caucasian, even though he was born in India.




You think "Indian" people can "return home" even if they are born in Leeds, and that brown people living in Delhi are locals even if Bangladeshi because... well, they all look the same to you.


Again, you're just looking at where people were born and ignoring their ethnocultural groups.

All these westerners rushing off to get visas to work in India....pound to a penny the great majority are ethically Indian.

Birds of a feather.....




At the same time you want to think of people culturally almost identical to you - a Romanian catholic, for example - as massively different because it suits you to do so.


I don't understand that.

Where did I say that?




There is no consistency to your line of thinking because it is based on prejudice.


Another insult. Thank you.

(You're good at this).




So you're against mass immigration but you would prefer mass immigration to occur in Delhi.


You know very well what I'm saying.

For the benefit of people who just stumbled across this thread, this is what I actually said:

"When their population is as 'multicultural' as ours, I'll shut up.

Not because I agree, but at least mass immigration would be conducted on a more level playing field."

Not quite the same, is it?

You misrepresent people and then launch an attack based upon that.

I think we've got your measure now.




You're ignoring the mass immigration of Bangladeshi people in Delhi


Not quite the same as Indian people coming to London, is it?

If the majority of London's immigrants were from Wales, people like your good self would be squealing that it wasn't diverse enough.

But it's ok for the same sort of thing to happen in India - why?




You said that as long as someone was ethniically or culturally Punjabi or Hindi they couldn't be considered an immigrant to Delhi.


Obviously they are immigrants, in the same way as Welsh people moving to London would be immigrants.

Exactly in the same way.




Yes, 11.9 per cent is a majority.


You said that the "vast majority" of immigrants to the UK were from Eastern Europe.

Not according to the Guardian.

(The article was from last year, so quite recent.)

Just to remind you:


The International Passenger Survey estimates shows India as the top country for people coming to the UK with 11.9% of all immigrants. It's followed by Pakistan, (5.8%), Poland (5.4%), Australia (5.2%) and China (5.2%).


So, 17.7% of UK immigrants are from the Indian subcontinent.

Only 5.8% from Poland.

But the top country is India.



posted on Mar, 11 2013 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by JuniorDisco

Originally posted by CJCrawley

I like dull.

Dull is good.


I'm sure you do.

I'll take curries, my local Italian deli, "foreign" music, Thierry Henry, and economic prosperity.

You can have morris dancing, Greggs sausage rolls, the three-day week and Hermans Hermits.


That's fine by me.

I'm partial to a curry though.

I'll take that and leave you with the crime.


(BTW, the three-day week was in the 70s)



posted on Mar, 11 2013 @ 04:32 PM
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I don't see why people have to turn this into a racial issue. It's a cultural issue.

How many groups, organizations, and angry people are all over the world because they hate that American culture has invaded their lands? Tons. And I don't blame them. They have their culture, and if they want to maintain it, that's there right.

As an American, I give up any right to claim "keeping america pure" or any other BS. We ARE all immigrants here. The guys that piss and moan about immigrants have only been here for a few hundred years at most themselves, they don't have a leg to stand on.

But you guys have it different. That is YOUR country. You didn't steal it from native Americans or some disenfranchised population. It's yours, and you have a right to it, just like someone in China, or Afghanistan, or wherever else has a right to maintain their culture.

If immigrants coming into the UK don't want to assimilate, they can leave. They have a duty to bend to your culture, not the other way around. They are coming into your country, it doesn't matter where from, and destroying it. That needs to be fought and if I could I'd do anything to help you guys. If they don't like a brown ale or a pasty then the boat leaves at noon.



posted on Mar, 11 2013 @ 04:53 PM
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Good post James. Hit the nail on the head there.

I think you managed to voice what a lot of people have been thinking but lacked the eloquence to put so succinctly into words.



posted on Mar, 12 2013 @ 07:15 AM
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The problem with the notion of keeping Britain pure, is that we've never been pure in the first place. We didn't all miraculously belch from the land like Tolkens Orcs.



posted on Mar, 12 2013 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by Suspiria
The problem with the notion of keeping Britain pure, is that we've never been pure in the first place. We didn't all miraculously belch from the land like Tolkens Orcs.


i'm twitching like mad trying to resist the urge to go all Tolkien on you.

your lack of knowledge on the origin of orcs has undone my respect for you gained from introducing me to the term "cock-womble"
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posted on Mar, 12 2013 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by skalla

Originally posted by Suspiria
The problem with the notion of keeping Britain pure, is that we've never been pure in the first place. We didn't all miraculously belch from the land like Tolkens Orcs.


i'm twitching like mad trying to resist the urge to go all Tolkien on you.

your lack of knowledge on the origin of orcs has undone my respect for you for introducing me to the term "cock-womble"


HAHAHA sorry, I shall go and brush up on orc's now.



posted on Mar, 12 2013 @ 03:40 PM
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Not sure it's about purity so much as not rocking the boat.

Coming here and being a religious bore isn't going to make any friends.
The British way is you can follow whatever religion you like as long as you don't bang on about it or expect others to change their ways to suit it.

There are plenty of others but that one for me fits the context of this thread.

I'm all for difference, for variety. Where that falls down though is when the different and diverse expect me to make changes to fit their prejudices.
At that point they can learn that most English of two fingered salutes.
Maybe even the Yank single finger one in the interests of being multicultural.
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posted on Mar, 12 2013 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by JuniorDisco

Originally posted by CJCrawley

I like dull.

Dull is good.


I'm sure you do.

I'll take curries, my local Italian deli, "foreign" music, Thierry Henry, and economic prosperity.

You can have morris dancing, Greggs sausage rolls, the three-day week and Hermans Hermits.


"Thierry Henry"

shove yer Thierry Henry, give me 1970s football anyday





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