Obama to threaten Iran with military strike in June, Israeli media reports

reply to post by Hijinx


Hey Hijinx solid post, fantastic

It's been over a year now Israel has been making claims such as this, with a proxy threat from the US behind it. What do you really think making statements like this does? Are they attempting to scare Iran into submission?

It's actually been longer than a year, but in hearing of an imminent strike window on Iran, its been since last year, or twice. Netanyahu specifically has been railing at Iran for over a decade now.

I think it could be misinformation Hijinx, Just like D-Day Operation Fortitude to deceive the Germans
Who knows maybe giving stories like this to RT and other news agencies is part of "Operation Persian Flame"

Saying they'll hit in July but they'll hit tomorrow or totally outside of the leaked, given window. I'm sure media outlets in the west and east both watch each other carefully.

It just seems silly to tell your enemy you're gonna attack soon, if part of the success in all this will be Iran not knowing the attack is coming... To do this right, it has to be precise and swift. Announcing your plan to invade to the world is just bad form.

Right. Again. Or at least, I agree with you. Unless its a trap or deception as part of a later operation, its a brilliant use of the media, even if it is morally questionable.

Iran also has Ballistic missiles capable of getting by Israeli Anti-missile defenses. There are so many factors here it's scary.

Finally, someone who acknowledges the Iran ballistic missile capabilities. Iran make a lot of their technology domestically or in some cases use Russian based launch platforms like the Moskit, which is old but could destroy the entire 5th Fleet and shut the straight of Hormuz and deter sea based aggressors if used correctly.
Who knows what other missile platforms they have? No wonder the Saudi's soil their pants at Irans missiles too.


Bad form? Haha absolutely

Not to mention, at what point does the "preemptive strike" become a viable option for Iran?

imo, a pre emptive strike is not going to be considered by Iran, they are too smart for this. Internationally, they have already been crippled by opinions, sanctions and decrees. Any form of aggression perceived as instigated by Iran would obviously not work to their advantage and arguably could get unanimous support in the UN to strike them militarily.

Before you get all Iron dome on my butt, remember the Gazan garbage 12kg warhead rockets that made it past those defenses? Iran has Ballistic missiles with warheads in the order of thousands of kilos of explosives, cluster warheads, chemical warheads, advanced guidance systems(gaza rockets were point and pray.) and they travel at super sonic speeds. We all loved to watch the videos of the recent gaza conflict of a Gazan rocket hanging in the sky, being met with 6 or 7 Israeli Iron dome rockets to shoot it down.

"Iron Dome on your butt"? Haha, I did giggle when I saw this. Believe me I'm more than aware of Iran's launch capabilities. Don't think just because I posted this story I'm a headline jumper like some. I just find it sparks the discussions quite well as it has with you. Your comments have been the most put together and its nice to run into people with knowledge and the desire to discuss geopolitics.

The horror than would rain down in missiles from Iran would be truly devastating, with me this is not up for dispute. The US has contributed to the isolation and resolute approach of the Iranians taken towards developing a large portion of the missile delivery systems. They would only be second to Russia in this regard in that part of the world.

I really don't think Israel has the restraint not to use them once this kicks off.

I think this is a very telling statement Hijinx, but I agree again. I think the single biggest nuclear threat in the world lies with Israel. The did not sign the NPT, and they refuse any co operation or collaboration on the Dimona facility. Yet Iran must be stopped?! The hypocrisy is paramount to lunacy and its so transparent. Again let's look to the recent history of wars and see how much aggression Iran has showed the rest of the world compared to Israel. Only now they have nukes, this is bad. Israel should be stripped of nukes immediately.

Iran is not Iraq, nor is it Libya. Iran knows about Israels intentions, and at the first sign of aggression I'm certain they are going to respond viciously.

I've said this many times myself also personally. If the potential devastation that a war with Iran could bring makes US Generals threaten resignation and shudder. Then we should shudder as well.

I hate war anyway but a conflict with Iran would be stupid. If Israel got messed up however I would kind of thought they may have had it coming. No guaranteed win atall

reply to post by SloAnPainful

Originally posted by SloAnPainful
Barry and Benny are making the move finally huh? Doubtful.

I kind of find it funny how a Israeli news source put this out and not Western MSM... I'm gonna go with saber rattling and good ol' Israeli propaganda.

Why would they announce a strike on them and give them this much time to prepare, seems pretty dumb to me...

-SAP-

Absolutely. It's always coming from MSM via Haaretz or another Israeli media outlet. Getting lazy I rekon
A strike is still envisioned I believe though. As Barry says "all options are on the table"

reply to post by jibeho

Originally posted by jibeho
Obama does not have the nads for such a threat and the Iranians know it. Tough guy Obama will just get laughed off the podium...

Obama needs someone else to make the threat for him.. All the while, Obama will stand in the shadows saying yeah yeah yeah let's get em'.

Imagine Obama in the role of Chester the dog

Yeah I don't know about Obamarama, he always seems to be more of service than self serving. By service I mean to the lobbies and powerful individuals who have an interest in these issues. The biggest puppet president there has been in a while. Greater than Bush boy maybe

Love that Chester and Spike video Hahaha thanks
Backhand to the face! That's what Bibi and Barak need!

Originally posted by littled16

When all is said and done who will get the blame for starting it all? Whichever kid threw the first punch.

And it won't even matter because billions of uncaring folks will die from nuclear poisoning after the two alliances take action. The west(america, europe, israel) against the east(arab nations, china, russia). Most people can see through the veil of absurdity. What do americans have to gain by cheering and protecting israel? What do russians have to gain by cheering and protecting arabs? NOTHING!

All the raw materials are sold in the open markets and traded publicly. The speculators love the fear mongering because it creates volatility. Volatility is what artificially increases demand and shrinks supply. "Oh no, israel is going to attack"....prices go up OR "immediate action must be taken against syria, iran, libya" and AGAIN prices go up.

Washington is full of inside trading scum. They create the havoc and then profit immediatly. They are in bed with big business because big business pays for their campaigns. It is NOT rocket science but people are so dumbed down it is almost incredible.

You can bet that Obama will earn that award Israel gave him. That's why he got it, they knew he was going to earn it. I think we all know that something bad is coming during his second term. We are not getting out of this term without another war and likely another tragedy in my opinion. I don't do predictions that's just how I feel.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07
You ain't just whistling Dixie buddy! All war and rumors of war are for the profit, and nobody profits but the profiteers. Everyone else loses and for what? For the rich to get richer! It's amazing how so much conflict arises during times of the year when so many more people are traveling, artificially jacking up the cost of fuels during holidays (right now many people flying and driving during Spring Break). My guess is the next big "crisis" will be either around Easter or Memorial Day, and definitely another big one by Independence Day. How it all coincides would be funny if it weren't so sad!

reply to post by littled16


I think the guilt is always decided in the end. Remember: "Good guys" always win. And they have the rights to write a history so a loser is always just a bunch of "bad guys"

If I were Iran i'd be like really scared or something. Redneck Jews are comin fur ya.

There are two possible scenarios in an Iran strike.....
Either the first strike is overwhelming enough to knock out much of Irans ability to defend itself, as well as launch the majority of its missiles,
Or israel, and the various factions encircling Iran will be dodging a voluminous missile barrage that will surely score some hits.
Being as Israel is smaller than some US cities, one good nuke or hit on Diamona would make it a wasteland.
Ole Bibi better be right in his calculations because there is zero chance left for errors in jdgement.
One thing thats beginning to fascinate me is the chance for the whole shebang to go sideways of end times prophecy of all concerned....Islamists, Jews, and Christians.....
What happens then?
It would be almost like aliens landed at the Vatican and claimed to have bred us from apes or whatever....
The whole religious fantasy would be blown forever....
Think about that.....everyones prophecies all wrong!
Maybe a good thing?

reply to post by stirling

Originally posted by stirling
There are two possible scenarios in an Iran strike.....
Either the first strike is overwhelming enough to knock out much of Irans ability to defend itself, as well as launch the majority of its missiles,
Or israel, and the various factions encircling Iran will be dodging a voluminous missile barrage that will surely score some hits.
Being as Israel is smaller than some US cities, one good nuke or hit on Diamona would make it a wasteland.
Ole Bibi better be right in his calculations because there is zero chance left for errors in jdgement.
One thing thats beginning to fascinate me is the chance for the whole shebang to go sideways of end times prophecy of all concerned....Islamists, Jews, and Christians.....
What happens then?
It would be almost like aliens landed at the Vatican and claimed to have bred us from apes or whatever....
The whole religious fantasy would be blown forever....
Think about that.....everyones prophecies all wrong!
Maybe a good thing?

I like this.

Israel better be calculating for the fallout from Iran and the middle eastern countries who already see the "Zionists" as antagonistic and a liability to security for the entire region.

It would seem Apocryphal if it did happen the way it seems to be unfolding. Never mind aliens, and nazi reptilians or evil Bishops.. WW3 coming to a theater near you! A very messy scenario that seems to be unfolding before our very eyes.

Its a shame more innocents than combatants will be killed as with most conflicts. I hope Israel doesn't mess up, if they are going to attack Iran, it pains me to say it but I hope in some way it can be quick, I doubt it but it will stop an occupation and conflagration (arguably).

Well informed stirling, cheers for the post

May not be simple sabre rattling, though it's usually the case.

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If this war were to go ahead there is only one guaranteed way where Israel stays intact and alive.

What this means is, if I were Netanyahu I would start the mass production of Iron Domes and cover the whole border with them literally touching each other. Maybe overkill but you get what I mean.

One thing is for sure. I would not start any war before the border is filled with this SAM system.

Why do Americans have such a hard time believing this story ? Obama is not the first or the last US president who will fight a war for Israel.

Obama is no friend of Israel.

I don't believe this will happen.

Just my 2 cents

Originally posted by Wildbob77
Obama is no friend of Israel.

I don't believe this will happen.

Just my 2 cents

Do you really think Obama has anything to say in this ?

reply to post by littled16


Hey littled16,

I have nothing against Israel either, I have an Australian born Israeli friend who is a fantastic person. Based on this I'll give Israeli's the benefit of the doubt but they have quite aggressive policies on ethnic or minority groups on Israeli soil. I learned the difference between anti-Zionist and anti-Semite a while ago..

But let me just give my opinion on a few remarks...

Iran's leaders talk about wiping Israel off the map and claim they are using nuclear material

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was accused to have said to "wipe the Zionists off the map" or something to this effect. I do not speak Farsi or any local Iranian dialects and cannot confirm the authenticity of the media's claims he even said this. In my opinion he didn't threaten to "nuke" Israel. It has been conveniently taken out of context to serve a purpose and that purpose you hit on the last part of the sentence..

Nuclear material. Do not forget that Israel is extremely brash when discussing their nuclear program. In fact, they don't discuss it and do not acknowledge to even have an arsenal. To the contrary Israel are quite vocal in expressing their concerns at the Iranians nuclear program. A lot of this stuff can be traced back to this comment or at least alleged comment from Ahmadinejad saying he wanted to nuke Israel. Everybody assumed he meant nukes and hey presto now Iran are chasing them at Natanz Bushehr and Isfahan. This just seems to convenient if you ask me.

I believe Iran is years away from the capability and even years further away from launch capability. Iran would persevere and overcome this because they are superior to the North Koreans in missile development.


Iran did however....

Allow inspectors into the country, Israel outright refuses co operation. The IAEA knows Israel has them...

Signed the NPT, Israel has not but you can bet they have them (not acknowledging they exist probably helps this non signing of the treaty)

Issue a religious decree or fatwa from Supreme Leader Khameini denouncing the use of nukes and says Iran will not pursue them. Doesn't mean much to us, to the Iranians its only second to the word of God and the Prophet

"energy production only" while insinuating it is for nefarious purposes.

I've never once heard Ahmadinejad or Supreme Leader Khameini insinuate the use for "nefarious" purposes.
This could be the whole scenario I outlined above with the "wiping off the mat" deal. Could be?
If its not a link to a quote or story on an Iranian leader insinuating these things would be interesting for me to look at

Back and forth the taunting goes until one day one of them finally throws the first punch. Iran will drag their allies into it and Israel will drag theirs, and the next thing you know it will be a schoolyard brawl. When all is said and done who will get the blame for starting it all? Whichever kid threw the first punch.

You are right in the way its played out. But how can they be so stupid as to let it get out of hand like this again?
I'll say nukes, as long as we have nukes in the world, apart from the devastation they directly cause they lead to more insecurity than SECURITY. If we could uninvent anything, I think starting with nukes would be a great start.

Sadly it won't change anytime soon, but if history is written by the winners I'm not so sure the kid who threw the first punch will cop all of the blame. The kid who encouraged the fight to begin AND started it and threw the first punch, should definitely get detention

and cop most of the blame.

edit on 27-2-2013 by yoursteppingonmytoes because: (no reason given)

reply to post by ArtooDetoo


I suppose you have inside information to the contrary from reading on the internet.

You must be right.

Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by ArtooDetoo

 

I suppose you have inside information to the contrary from reading on the internet.

You must be right.

No i dont. Just google AIPAC an you'll understand

reply to post by Jepic

Originally posted by Jepic
If this war were to go ahead there is only one guaranteed way where Israel stays intact and alive.

What this means is, if I were Netanyahu I would start the mass production of Iron Domes and cover the whole border with them literally touching each other. Maybe overkill but you get what I mean.

One thing is for sure. I would not start any war before the border is filled with this SAM system.

Scary, but true to the tone. I would not take on the barrage of hundreds of thousands if not millions of Iranian missiles for any potential prize.

"Hey stick your hand into that Lion's mouth, it'll only hurt a bit but there's a diamond inside"

You get my meaning hehe

Iron Dome will need more money the Americans can't afford. It so sad that American's live in poverty, and millions if not billions get pumped into the IDF war machine to kill innocents and perpetuate war and instability when this money should be spent on Americans.

Security comes a distant last and priorities are all out of whack with Israel. Sometimes the best leaders will make the hardest decisions. This is why I can never agree with pre emptive strike tactics. Ever.

Originally posted by baburak
reply to post by littled16

 

I think the guilt is always decided in the end. Remember: "Good guys" always win. And they have the rights to write a history so a loser is always just a bunch of "bad guys"

Isn't that why nazis(german national socialists) and facists(italian national socialists) are always bad? Bad, bad, bad, slap in the face I wonder if it was 2 million jews "killed" in the holocaust from starvation in work camps or 6 million jews killed from gas chambers? I don't think we will EVER LEARN because revisionism is "bad" and you go to jail for that.

Meanwhile how many nations has america infiltrated overtly or covertly? Overtly by direct miltary force or covertly by aiding rebels with cia help? At one point I can remember cia giving sams to alqueda to fight off the russians in afghanistan, then alqueda being used as patsies for 9-11 attacks. Anywhere there was a socialist threat or muslim extremism america and nato were there. Dozens and dozens of countries.