reply to post by Darkphoenix77
Yes, I believe that there are somewhere around 80 or 90 known recorded versions of the Flood Myth.
The funny thing is that large number of them have the same basic concepts of a small group escaping with animals and landing on a mountain...
Is there any better argument against intelligent design that the human mouth/teeth? , page 21
reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 01:41 AM by defcon5
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by defcon5
And you know this as a fact...how?
Well if you are a Christian, and you have a proper understanding of the Bible, then its pretty clear what the message here is. Throughout the Bible, in both old and new Testament, this world is mentioned as being under the rule of Satan. That he is the “prince” of this world. That we are subject to that condition from having chosen not to be under Gods grace.
reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 01:48 AM by Darkphoenix77
Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by Darkphoenix77
Yes, I believe that there are somewhere around 80 or 90 known recorded versions of the Flood Myth.
The funny thing is that large number of them have the same basic concepts of a small group escaping with animals and landing on a mountain...
Kinda hard to write that off as nothing more than coincidence regardless if it is ET intervention or what have you.....
Maybe our ancestors came up with the concepts of "Gods" as a way to explain the things they did not understand (ET's) and had no other way of explaining. Who is to say the Ark was even a boat?
reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 02:03 AM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Darkphoenix77
Well for the record I am a Deist. I believe in a 'Creator'. I also more or less believe in the 'religious predicates'. Omnipresence and omniscience and omnipotence as descriptions of its eternal nature and ability to create with intention. Omnipotence in our physical Universe only insofar as the act of the initial conditions. Omni-benevolence is a tricky one. Just as it is nearly impossible to imagine infinity, it is equally alien to imagine we would know what love and compassion means to the Creator of all existence. This is crude and quite lame description of what I believe. I don't claim it as absolute truth unlike many religious.
As it pertains to religion. Lack of evidence the Bible is connected with that divinity, coupled with how contrary it seems to be towards our human understanding of love and compassion, is the nature of my opposition believing this is actually divinely inspired.
We should I feel fully appreciate our limitations, especially in respect to eternity, but I wouldn't say we shouldn't try our hardest to understand any ways. Whether that's attempting to understand God or other seemingly incomprehensible things. Just that we should be cautious when we think we've discovered some absolute ultimate truth. Which is what the Bible proclaims to have captured. Question everything. If God bestowed free-will it was surely blessing us with that mandate.
We should believe whatever we want and feel compelled to do so. Believe in secrets and believe in discovery. Believe in magic
But we should not
forgo what we intuitively understand as loving and good, and any aspects of faith that seem in disagreement should surely test the faith. So yes to
that question imo. And never think questioning ones beliefs is wrong. Questioning and consciousness seem to go hand in hand. Surely we were given it
for a reason. Surely that reason was not to give it up and let any particular book do the thinking for us.
Sorry if I went on a bit of a tangent.
That is a good argument, it is hard to believe in the "righteousness" of a being that allows atrocities to happen without intervention. Is that something we should question or a test of faith? Is the supreme being even a god? It is just as likely that it is just an entity that we cannot fathom at all. Some of the things that happen in the religious texts do not exactly lend credence to the notion that it is an all loving "God" for sure. All I know is I believe that the creation of the universe is something I cannot reconcile as being a random event....
Well for the record I am a Deist. I believe in a 'Creator'. I also more or less believe in the 'religious predicates'. Omnipresence and omniscience and omnipotence as descriptions of its eternal nature and ability to create with intention. Omnipotence in our physical Universe only insofar as the act of the initial conditions. Omni-benevolence is a tricky one. Just as it is nearly impossible to imagine infinity, it is equally alien to imagine we would know what love and compassion means to the Creator of all existence. This is crude and quite lame description of what I believe. I don't claim it as absolute truth unlike many religious.
As it pertains to religion. Lack of evidence the Bible is connected with that divinity, coupled with how contrary it seems to be towards our human understanding of love and compassion, is the nature of my opposition believing this is actually divinely inspired.
We should I feel fully appreciate our limitations, especially in respect to eternity, but I wouldn't say we shouldn't try our hardest to understand any ways. Whether that's attempting to understand God or other seemingly incomprehensible things. Just that we should be cautious when we think we've discovered some absolute ultimate truth. Which is what the Bible proclaims to have captured. Question everything. If God bestowed free-will it was surely blessing us with that mandate.
We should believe whatever we want and feel compelled to do so. Believe in secrets and believe in discovery. Believe in magic
But we should not
forgo what we intuitively understand as loving and good, and any aspects of faith that seem in disagreement should surely test the faith. So yes to
that question imo. And never think questioning ones beliefs is wrong. Questioning and consciousness seem to go hand in hand. Surely we were given it
for a reason. Surely that reason was not to give it up and let any particular book do the thinking for us. Sorry if I went on a bit of a tangent.
reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 02:05 AM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by defcon5
That's only true if the Bible is God's book. Otherwise, if in fact it is a human one, it is man's ruler that is measuring God.
You misunderstand. I meant it literally. Physically speaking there are people that literally never heard this 'Good News'. Never new the way to salvation. Yet, they suffered the consequences of earlier people 'falling from Grace'.
First off...You're measuring God by mans ruler, which will not work.
That's only true if the Bible is God's book. Otherwise, if in fact it is a human one, it is man's ruler that is measuring God.
It offers us salvation, it does not rescue you from the “law” & consequence of this world.
You misunderstand. I meant it literally. Physically speaking there are people that literally never heard this 'Good News'. Never new the way to salvation. Yet, they suffered the consequences of earlier people 'falling from Grace'.
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reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 02:05 AM by Lucid Lunacy
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Unless I am recalling incorrectly he is a Mormon.
Basically you just described Mormonism.
Unless I am recalling incorrectly he is a Mormon.
reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 02:09 AM by defcon5
reply to post by Grimpachi
There are lots of ancient astronaut theories that do not involve Mormon theology...
There is more to the Mormons then just believing God is an “alien” anyway.
Beyond that, I am simply being truthful here, there is no way to win that argument one way or the other, and it simply comes to a viewpoint based on faith. Like it or not, God doesn't come from Earth, now does that make him an “Alien”, well not in my opinion, at least not the way that we think of “Aliens”. To me he is God regardless of were he comes from, and he reigns over all of creation, which would include any “aliens” out there. However, its nearly impossible to argue that point with someone of the opposite “belief”.
There are lots of ancient astronaut theories that do not involve Mormon theology...
There is more to the Mormons then just believing God is an “alien” anyway.
Beyond that, I am simply being truthful here, there is no way to win that argument one way or the other, and it simply comes to a viewpoint based on faith. Like it or not, God doesn't come from Earth, now does that make him an “Alien”, well not in my opinion, at least not the way that we think of “Aliens”. To me he is God regardless of were he comes from, and he reigns over all of creation, which would include any “aliens” out there. However, its nearly impossible to argue that point with someone of the opposite “belief”.
reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 02:13 AM by Grimpachi
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Grimpachi
Basically you just described Mormonism.
Unless I am recalling incorrectly he is a Mormon.
That explains so much.
This is the pattern I am seeing.
reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 02:15 AM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by defcon5
And here I pride myself with having good memory
Ahh I was thinking Dragon Demise? Or some name like that. Hmmm
Me...
No, no, no....
Lutheran.
And here I pride myself with having good memory
Ahh I was thinking Dragon Demise? Or some name like that. Hmmm
reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 02:25 AM by Darkphoenix77
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
Nah don't worry about going off on a tangent, I find the discussion interesting. I really can't find anything to argue against with what you
said.
Nah don't worry about going off on a tangent, I find the discussion interesting.
I really can't find anything to argue against with what you
said.reply posted on 26-2-2013 @ 02:30 AM by Darkphoenix77
Originally posted by Grimpachi
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Grimpachi
Basically you just described Mormonism.
Unless I am recalling incorrectly he is a Mormon.
That explains so much.
This is the pattern I am seeing.
Okay, I gave you a star for amusement factor...even with my own beliefs I found the humor in that.
I also find humor in George Carlin's "There is no God" skit.
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