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On Wednesday, the Department of Homeland Security, along with a SWAT team and Bernalillo County sheriff’s deputies raided the home of Robert Adams in Albuquerque, New Mexico and, according to a federal search warrant affidavit the raid seized nearly 1,500 firearms from the man’s home and business. However, no charges have been filed against him, despite the fact that court documents reveal that agents had been watching Adams for years.
Court documents reveal federal agents were watching Adams for years and that some documentation was missing “to determine to whom Adams [was] selling or exporting his firearms.”
The guns were also not properly marked possibly to make the guns more valuable and to avoid paying high import taxes, investigators alleged. However, a bigger concern is that no markings on the guns and missing documents mean the guns are not traceable by law enforcement.
Originally posted by snarky412
I meant to ask the gun people here, what do they mean by the guns aren't 'marked'?
Just curious......
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by snarky412
I meant to ask the gun people here, what do they mean by the guns aren't 'marked'?
Just curious......
Most guns have serial numbers on them so that they can be traced. "Unmarked" would mean that the serial number is non-existent, i.e. removed. Therefore, making the gun untraceable..
Removing a serial number from a firearm is illegal in many places. As is possession and sale of a firearm that had the serial number removed, if I'm not mistaken.
The guns were also not properly marked possibly to make the guns more valuable and to avoid paying high import taxes, investigators alleged.
Originally posted by sprtpilot
Just as important, what is with "DHS" being used as some sort of para-military Federal police force? We need to stop this by all Red States banning DHS police actions within our States.
Originally posted by snarky412
I left out the word 'properly' marked......so would that still refer to the S.N.?
Originally posted by Liquesence
Confiscation my flat white backside. Basically the Feds legally(?) (albeit unconstitutionally) STOLE all his guns under the guise of authority.
Granted, selling guns that their serials removed, or removing the serials to make them untraceable, if this in fact what he has done, in either case, is not exactly legally kosher in any case.
And if he HAD been committing any crimes (knowingly or not), they legally *can* take his guns, BUT:
Since charges *WEREN'T* filed, it seems that the intent was to disarm him, whether because he was selling to potential undesirables, because he was doing *something* they thought he shouldn't be doing, or because they thought he had "too many" guns.
I await more details, and a potential lawsuit.
I mean, the government raiding and STEALING a person's gun collection w/o charge???
This is concerning.
Originally posted by solomons path
reply to post by Liquesence
Hear . . . Hear . . .
Drop the "gang" mentality. We are all Americans and this effects all of us regardless of what color shirt you put on. The overreach of the gov is starting to get scary . . . my Great-Gma warned me about times like this.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by snarky412
I left out the word 'properly' marked......so would that still refer to the S.N.?
Your news story says "no markings", so that could also include other information as well. Most firearms have manufacturer info printed on them such as name of manufacturer, model number, serial number, etc.
Remove all of that information and you have an almost completely untraceable firearm. The only people I know that would deliberately want an untraceable firearm are criminals who would commit gun crimes. That's what the other part of your story was talking about how unmarked firearms would be more valuable. An untraceable firearm is very valuable to criminals.
I see already that people are solely making DHS to be the bad-guy in this particular instance. However, if the "suspect" was selling unmarked and untraceable weapons, then DHS was in the right on this one.
edit on 22-2-2013 by _BoneZ_ because: spelllinngggg
Originally posted by Liquesence
Originally posted by sprtpilot
Just as important, what is with "DHS" being used as some sort of para-military Federal police force? We need to stop this by all Red States banning DHS police actions within our States.
I'm sorry, but what the heck does "Red State" have to do with anything?? Shouldn't, um, most states stand up to it ("banning," on a state level, won't do anything).
We need to stand up to the para-militarization of MOST departments in the fed and state governments. Including police. "Red" AND "Blue." It's nonpartisan.
Originally posted by snarky412
Originally posted by Liquesence
Confiscation my flat white backside. Basically the Feds legally(?) (albeit unconstitutionally) STOLE all his guns under the guise of authority.
Granted, selling guns that their serials removed, or removing the serials to make them untraceable, if this in fact what he has done, in either case, is not exactly legally kosher in any case.
And if he HAD been committing any crimes (knowingly or not), they legally *can* take his guns, BUT:
Since charges *WEREN'T* filed, it seems that the intent was to disarm him, whether because he was selling to potential undesirables, because he was doing *something* they thought he shouldn't be doing, or because they thought he had "too many" guns.
I await more details, and a potential lawsuit.
I mean, the government raiding and STEALING a person's gun collection w/o charge???
This is concerning.
That is what bothered me.......them taking his guns and YET at the same time saying "investigation still pending" with no charges filed.
So why take the guns without proof of a crime?
Unless they are working on 'finding' one.........
Here is a link to his website:
www.adamsguns.com...
Originally posted by solomons path
Not if they are antique or pre-68. Which as a major collector . . . he had a lot of.
Originally posted by solomons path
markings is not the same as "serial number"