I bet an imaginary nickle that the US does just as much, if not many times more, cyber attacks as any other nation.

Washington hypocrisy at its finest, most likely.

Originally posted by roadgravel
I am proposing the big company hacks are not that new. Of course, they escalate if results are had and nothing is done to reduce them. Very few people were aware of this years back. It was not the average news item.

But along your lines, China will go with more and more if they can.

In my reply to you,when I write that I'm well aware of the history, I'm agreeing with you on the history.

So they punish countries instead of individuals responsible? So if I really wanted to screw with some country, like sweden all I have to do is do "cyber attacks" from there? Or does this only apply to china?

[Edit to add] And who are they punishing for the cyber attacks that come from US? Like anon? Do they punish themselves??? Confuzled

The US will punish whoever that want to punish. Who is the backing party can always be twisted.

We can always trust the facts from the intelligence community, correct.

The is good news, if we wage sanactions against contries waging cyber attack we win twice,

We put Wal-mart out of buisness and we get ride of that cheap Chinnese made crap that is being sold there and the Chinness will loose profit from the US.

Lets DO it.

I was wondering how long it would take before The American Propaganda Machine hammered away at China, given they're chest-deep in the regions of Africa that the U.S. would like to invade.

Not long. And the method is brilliant.

I realize this is a conspiracy board - but guys - this is the real deal.

Did any of you actually read the Mandiant report? I did - it's required reading because I'm a Federal Government employee working in the field of IT / Information Assurance / Cyber security.

Mandiant has, with a doubt, accurately traced these attacks back to China.
In the security world, we refer to "things" like this as "APT" - or "Advanced Persistent Threats". In the report, Mandiant refers to the Chinese unit "61398" as "APT1". Their data is well founded, and definitely points to the Chinese Government (specifically the PLA - Peoples Liberation Army) as the culprits.

I see that a lot of you are making jokes about this - but make no mistake - this is cyber warfare on an unprecedented scale. Unit 61398 (at a minimum) has 1000+ systems they use as purely attack machines.
That means that on top of the daily use computers these "cyber warriors" have, they have an ADDITIONAL 1000+ machines they use as attack machines.

Mandiant refers to these machines as their attack "infrastructure". Of these, over 3000+ fully qualified domain names have been assigned to the machines in this infrastructure. That is staggering gentleman.

Unit 61398 writes custom backdoors, rootkits and exploits. They are designing sophisticated trojan horses and malware in house. One such example is a backdoor they use that communicates from a victim machine back to it's C2 (C2 = Comand and Control) machine via a webserver. The webserver issues commands to the victim via hidden fields in the HTML page it serves up. This is unlike any other backdoor ever seen before in the wild.

Unit 61398 targets Government, and certain specific fields in the private sector (intentionally) to steal sensitive and propietary data. Then they use what they have stolen as advantage in the real world defense sector (like stealing data on the F-22 Raptor or Joint Strike Fighter and it's associated technologies) or business sector to give them a leg up on competitors (like us).

Of what we know so far, they have stolen something like 40 TERABYTES of data.

The thing you have to take into account is - these hackers need resources. They need computer systems, connectivity, food, housing, etc etc. Who pays for all this? The Chinese Government does. And they are completely denying it.

Right now - at least the defense sector - is still just trying to play catch up to secure our systems. We are not in attack mode. This is what makes this report so crucial. The United States is scrambling to defend itself from the onslaught of Government sponsored hackers (like Unit 61398), hacktivists (like Anonymous), and other script kiddies who want to make a name at the Governments expense.

It's scary stuff guys, and it's hurting our economy and our way of life more than you realize.

This will not work at all and is foolish.

China is one of the biggest supplies of electrical parts and components, not to mention they have about 90% of the worlds reserve of a highly important metal that is used to make electrical items. I forget the name of this metal but they have almost all the mines for it, and if they hold out on it, whoever is on the wrong end of that will be screwed big time.

This is a bit hypocritical considering that the U.S itself is currently waging cyber warfare against Iran and who god knows how many other countries we don't know of.

From a national security POV i can understand why they want to sanction countries that wage cyber war against them but there is an old saying that says "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones". If you can dish it then you should be able to take it.

I wonder if this will apply to Israel as well. I know many cyberattacks against US government systems originate in China, but what you do not hear are how many originate from Israel. Of course I cannot prove that the Israeli government is behind these attacks, as it could simply be some well-funded and equipped group of hackers independent of the government...but you would be surprised how much supposed "allies" attempt to spy on one another.

So does this mean that our government is going to tax chinese imports now? Nice way to tax the American people isn't it. China isn't going to lose a cent, we the people are. Does our government think nobody will see through this?