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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by HumAnnunaki
I always took the two witnesses as being Moses and Elijah, the ones who were with Jesus during the transfiguration. I don't have anything specifically stating that, but that's who I think they are.
Or possibly the two thieves crucified with Jesus?
Originally posted by HumAnnunaki
There are many different truely interesting stories within scripture and one that
has kept my interest for a veried period of time, is the account of "God's Two Witnesses",
which is written about in the Christian Gospel of Revelation.
en.wikipedia.org...
The specific passages that my inquiry to is:
KJV versoin;
..:[3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.]:..
I have a vested interest in this verse and the others that accompany the Two Witnesses as
I am in the process of writing a hypothesis in concerns of this message.
My quest is to confirm from the Qu'arn and Muslim faith to the authenticity of the Witnesses
thereby adding to the viability in truth and also to incorporate the findings within said
hypothesis draft.
I searched the 'forum' boards and this was the closest I could relate was this remark
posted by "OctoTom" in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...
[OctoTom - all apologies for taking the liberty of using your work
for reference without your explicit permission)
[OCTOTOM..there will be two unnamed witnesses who proclaim God's gospel in Jerusalem and the whole world hears is. Half way through the Tribulation these two witnesses die and the AC walks into the Jewish Temple and goes into the Most Holy Place and sits on the Ark of the Covenant and declares himself to be God and he forces everyone to worship him. At the same time, due to the teachings of the two witnesses, 144,000 Jewish male virgins go into the world and proclaim God's gospel..]
To all that choose to expend their personal knowledge of this particularly interesting scripture,
I thank you in advance for your time and candacy.
Revelation 1
19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by HumAnnunaki
I always took the two witnesses as being Moses and Elijah, the ones who were with Jesus during the transfiguration. I don't have anything specifically stating that, but that's who I think they are.
Or possibly the two thieves crucified with Jesus?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by HumAnnunaki
Now that I think of it, Revelation is not all about the future, it is also about the past.
Revelation 1
19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later.
So it's not all about the future, it was about the present and the past too. Who's to say the passage you cited is about the future? It could have been about what was and did take place at that time and before.
I think a lot of what's in Revelation is a recounting of events that had already taken place.
Definition
a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done
Originally posted by DISRAELI
My explanation can be found at this link;
Revelation; The two witnesses
Why would Muslims have an interpetation of a passage in a Christian book, and why would their understanding of it be relevant?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Now that I think of it, Revelation is not all about the future, it is also about the past.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical
So John's introduction and greeting to the church is the only thing he had seen up to that point? That's a weak argument.
Revelation 4:1 starts with "After this" in English, or is the translation wrong here? That doesn't mean he's talking about the future from there on out, only that he is telling a sequence of events.
The word "metanoia" does not mean what you say it does. It basically means repentance or a change of mind.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I disagree, but I can see where you're coming from. I don't think the angel was limiting "have seen" to those first 18 verses, it's ridiculous and narrow-minded to think so.
11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
that no rain should fall during the days of their prophesying.” (Re 11:3-6) These “witnesses” representing God as ‘prophets,’ or spokesmen, would not pronounce God’s favor or blessing on the plans and works of wicked men on earth. Like Elijah, who announced a three-and-a-half-year drought on Israel because of their practice of Baal worship promoted by King Ahab and his wife Jezebel, so these “two witnesses” figuratively “shut up heaven” so that no refreshing “rain” from God would come to bring prosperity to such efforts of men.—1Ki 17:1–18:45; Lu 4:25, 26; Jas 5:17, 18. wol.jw.org...=14:0-14:668