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The Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 Have been Here a Long Time Already

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posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 08:39 PM
The two witnesses of Revelation 11 are Israel (Moses) and the Christians (Elijah). This is my thought after studying the clues. I may be wrong. You decide.


Moses took Israel through the wilderness to the promised land and was the symbol for the nation entering the new time for the nation. Israel is the witness of God's faithfulness to His people. As we come to find out, that faithfulness extends to the entire world through the light of Israel. No other nation has done as much to show us the light of virtue, faith, giving and YES, even what not to do as a people. They have covered it all. The world is the student of Israel by any standard of argument. Of course, each of the seven continents have a teacher, but Moses IS the TORAH as a witness and Israel stands as that witness to us today. God's ability to restore Israel is a witness to the rest of the world that He will accomplish what he says He will do. Ultimately, they are the witness to the coming Messiah.


Elijah is pictured in 1 Kings 17 telling Ahab that the Water would be turned off and there would be no more Dew or Rain in the land. Dew represents the water droplets that will appear in the morning before the Sun rises to evaporate and distill the water back again into unity. This is a picture of baptism.

Later in that chapter, Elijah is shown in Zarephath (meaning Refinery), appearing to the widow woman who had a dead son. Elijah then takes the son "up stairs" and restores his soul. He then brings him back down to mother. What is this telling you about the dew and baptism? Elijah prepares the way for 7 billion souls to see Christ return. He is the witness of the Baptism Waters and to the Christians as they show Israel who their Messiah is.

Who was Elijah in the first century? John the Baptist? What was he doing? Preparing the way for this:

Revelation 1:7

7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”
So shall it be! Amen.

Do you see the fact that the wicked generation would be here to see Christ return? You must be born again. We then remember the words of Paul in Acts 24:

I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, 15 and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. 16 So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.

Do you get it? We are ALL here to see Christ return and Elijah is the witness in the water. We are here because Elijah prepared the way in the wilderness.

Isaiah 40

3 A voice of one calling:
“In the wilderness prepare
the way for the Lord[a];
make straight in the desert
a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be raised up,
every mountain and hill made low;
the rough ground shall become level,
the rugged places a plain.
5 And the glory of the Lord will be revealed,
and all people will see it together.
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”
6 A voice says, “Cry out.”
And I said, “What shall I cry?”

What is Elijah witnessing to us by the testimony of the Christians?

John 4

13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

What is in store for the fallen leaders and those who fail to repent?

John the Baptist (Elijah) in Matthew 3:

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with[c] the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Keep in mind that water puts out fire. We are baptized into the waters of life for one reason--to repent. The veil covers the temple and keeps us from remembering. We are sheep with wool puled over our eyes as the shepherd sheers our sin. The wool is then washed white as snow and given back to us as a Robe (New Body) and a Crown (New Holy Mind).

The two witnesses are Moses (Israel) and Elijah (Christians)

Revelation 11

11 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”[a] 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

11 But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.

Who is "Their lord above?" That would be Nimrod and Babylon. He was crucified in Egypt (OSIRIS). Osiris was circumcised and unable to reproduce. Isis tries to put the languages back together again after the nations are scattered around the world. The bricks have fallen.

The Chief Cornerstone is giving. God's will is to give and receive only. The lost Word of the Builders (Masons) is Christ.

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posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 08:46 PM
reply to post by EnochWasRight

I agree that the witnesses have the powers of Moses and Elijah (water into blood, stopping of rain).
I think they also have the functions of Moses and Elijah- Moses led the people against persecuting power, Elijah led the people aganst idolatry.
However, in my own thread, I led the Moses-Elijah references off in a different direction.

posted on Nov, 26 2012 @ 09:10 PM

Originally posted by DISRAELI
reply to post by EnochWasRight

I agree that the witnesses have the powers of Moses and Elijah (water into blood, stopping of rain).
I think they also have the functions of Moses and Elijah- Moses led the people against persecuting power, Elijah led the people aganst idolatry.
However, in my own thread, I led the Moses-Elijah references off in a different direction.

Something I have learned to do is reduce symbols to the root. The witness is light and water. These two are clearly represented as Israel and Christians. They are the two witnesses as you and I both testify each day. The fire that comes out of our mouth are Words of Truth that cannot be denied.

Who knows, maybe Moses and Elijah will come again. I also believe that the body of believers is the return of Christ. We are the body.

1 Corinthians 12

12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.

15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.

It's a cycle. Christ comes as a man and is crucified. He returns joined to the Bride and the Bride joined to Him. This time, he will not be crucified. He comes in victory. Moses comes as a man and then enters the promised land as the nation. Did Moses the man enter the land? Elijah comes as a man and then a Spirit of John the Baptism. Will he come to the land himself, or as a witness in the form of Christ with us? He prepares the way for us because he did not die. He was taken. He will not enter the land, but prepares the way for us--the Bride and Christ entering the temple.

Sign that Christ Enters the Temple as King

Babylon Falls

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posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 05:38 AM
No. Not right. Here's how it works.

Revelation 11
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

If you know your bible then verse 4 is a dead giveaway of who they are. They are the branches of Zechariah.

Zechariah 4
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?

11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

Now who are these anointed ones? And what do they do?

Zechariah 3
8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.

Zechariah 6
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
14 And the crowns shall be to Helem, and to Tobijah, and to Jedaiah, and to Hen the son of Zephaniah, for a memorial in the temple of the LORD.
15 And they that are far off shall come and build in the temple of the LORD, and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you. And this shall come to pass, if ye will diligently obey the voice of the LORD your God.

Also the Branch is mentioned in Isaiah and Jeremiah.
Isaiah 4
2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.


posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 05:57 AM
Isaiah 11
11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

Jeremiah 23
3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the Lord.
5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.

Jeremiah 33
14 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

And then this would seem to concern the Branch as well.

Numbers 24
14 And now, behold, I go unto my people: come therefore, and I will advertise thee what this people shall do to thy people in the latter days.
17 I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.

A king in the end times that destroys the enemies of Israel.


posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 06:19 AM
And that would also bring in these predictions from Revelation.

Revelation 2
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.

Revelation 12
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

It would seem this guy or guys as there is 2 of them is quite important.

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posted on Nov, 27 2012 @ 10:27 PM
reply to post by EnochWasRight

Isiah 40 is about John the baptizer not about Elija. John proclaimed to prepare the way of the Lord.

posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 05:47 AM

Originally posted by guitarplayer
reply to post by EnochWasRight

Isiah 40 is about John the baptizer not about Elija. John proclaimed to prepare the way of the Lord.

Both were Elijah.

Matt.11:14 states: And if you will receive it, this is Elijah, which was to come.

He will come before the day of the Lord. I believe that Elijah represents the Christians.

Malachi 4

4 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. 3 And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.

4 “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the statutes and rules that I commanded him at Horeb for all Israel.

5 “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. 6 And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction."

Reference to all the verses about John and Elijah

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posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 05:55 AM
To be born again one must die.
The person you 'think' you are must go. 'Thinking' yourself into future or past is what must die. Stay present and you will know the gift.

posted on Nov, 28 2012 @ 05:58 AM
In time you worry that you will end. You fear your own annilhation. But what are you?
This fear will go when you realize yourself as timeless being, the only thing there is - presence.

posted on Nov, 30 2012 @ 12:48 PM
Perhaps it is both. Two literal witness will be here for the allotted time, but also Israel and Christianity are witnesses as well.

The Bible has many layers of meanings and applications.

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