Should domestic cats be eradicated to protect wildlife?

Originally posted by GrandStrategy
I don't think i've met anyone who hates cats or dogs that I like or would trust to any degree. Very odd people, usually with undiagnosed and serious mental issues.

These people who treat such animal as vermin should be watched closely, because they're only a logical conclusion away from seeing humans as vermin and violently killing us in the same vein.

This guy has the same feeling towards cats that Hitler did towards Jewish people.

Originally posted by Hollie
ll. Domesticated cats are terroriststo wildlife. And no, it is not illegal for me to kill your cat if it is on my property.

Sounds like you've really been drinking the Malthusian/neoliberal koolaid.

Originally posted by RalagaNarHallas

they tried eliminating cats for religious reasons and that compounded the black plague and lead to many more people dying then needed to due to superstitions and irrational fears.

And we all know that every mammal dies of plaque, cats, dogs, and even rats. To say that killing cats caused it doesn't seem right to me, especially if rats die from it. Maybe it was the filthy humans spreading fleas in their bedding, clothing, wigs, etc. ?

Originally posted by Hollie
When cats roam my property, I run to brain them. And if I do brain them, they are fed to the migrating buzzards as a free meal. I don't want their toxoplasmosis infected poop anywhere near my does, chickens, quail, etc. Feral populations are now being eradicated on my island because they are consuming endangered rodents that feed the endangered birds. They go after fledglings, endangered nesting rodents, and what is worse is that the crazy cat ladies put out feed stations for the cats which attracts those same endangered rodents that are basically killed for the thrill. Domesticated cats are terrorists to wildlife. And no, it is not illegal for me to kill your cat if it is on my property.

If you have children, I hope they don't meet someone like you who feels the same about wanting them on their garden.

But should the gods have it so, I'll just point and laugh at your misfortune.

you remind me why I despise the world I am forced to live in...

Originally posted by lampsalot

Originally posted by Hollie
ll. Domesticated cats are terroriststo wildlife. And no, it is not illegal for me to kill your cat if it is on my property.

Sounds like you've really been drinking the Malthusian/neoliberal koolaid.

Not sure what you are trying to type to me. Explain please?

I know it was already posted, but ...

How the f*ck can you advocate the destruction of these sweethearts?

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by winofiend

Originally posted by Hollie
When cats roam my property, I run to brain them. And if I do brain them, they are fed to the migrating buzzards as a free meal. I don't want their toxoplasmosis infected poop anywhere near my does, chickens, quail, etc. Feral populations are now being eradicated on my island because they are consuming endangered rodents that feed the endangered birds. They go after fledglings, endangered nesting rodents, and what is worse is that the crazy cat ladies put out feed stations for the cats which attracts those same endangered rodents that are basically killed for the thrill. Domesticated cats are terrorists to wildlife. And no, it is not illegal for me to kill your cat if it is on my property.

If you have children, I hope they don't meet someone like you who feels the same about wanting them on their garden.

But should the gods have it so, I'll just point and laugh at your misfortune.


Gods or whatever do not have any "so" with me. My garden is my life and how I eat and feed my animals. If I find a cat in it I would kill it. You don't make sense when you say "if I have children you don't hope they meet someone like me". If I have children that means they have not only met someone like me, but I actually gave birth to that sane person you hope doesn't meet someone pine me. Am I missing something here? I am sorry you despise the world.

Anyway. Cats must go. Glad they are finally doing something about it here. It took three years of fighting crazy cat ladies. Now they are being trapped and gassed. Good riddance I say. Maybe the crazy cat ladies can be fined for feeding all of them next. I mean, its a fine to feed a manatee or gator, but not a flea bitten feral toxoplasmosis. AIDS carrying mangy terrorizing cat.

reply to post by Hollie


yes all animals die of plague but the cats killed the rats and mice that were the primary hosts for the carriers of the plague(fleas) and thus the killing off the the cats made their problems worse

reply to post by ollncasino


Mmmm I dunno Bro.
I'm no cat fan by far but, I do realize some folks have a special bond with their cats as I do my dogs.
I don't agree with declawing or confining cats, even though I don't care for them.
I do realize they are predatory animals and even though domesticated MUST hunt, it is in their instinct.
I could see mandatory chipping for said animals though and possibly a tax for newborns.
I would not tax existing animals as this could lead to all other animals, my precious dogs and even onto livestock.
You see where that slippery slope would lead to....very bad.
But anything that can be done to a cat just might be proposed for my dogs and that is just not an option, so I must defend the cats by default.
But I think definitely chipping otherwise they are lost.
I know if my dog got lost, I'd be looking for it three days before yesterday, they are my best buddies.
If an animal is picked up with no chip and nobody adopts it, ...sorry.
Of course adoption would include chipping and it generally does anyway nowadays.
Very slippery slope imho.

Originally posted by Hollie
Anyway. Cats must go. Glad they are finally doing something about it here. It took three years of fighting crazy cat ladies. Now they are being trapped and gassed. Good riddance I say. Maybe the crazy cat ladies can be fined for feeding all of them next. I mean, its a fine to feed a manatee or gator, but not a flea bitten feral toxoplasmosis. AIDS carrying mangy terrorizing cat.

Let me guess. You're a dog person.

When I was little we had this lady in our neighborhood who horded cats. Maybe a hundred cats if not more. Yep, the cat lady...Her daughter was my age and went to my school at the time (grade school). I was even invited over to her house on several occasions and witnessed ALLLL these damn cats, ruining the whole house and making everything smell horrendous, feces and hair everywhere, like the ammonia from the urine literally burned your nose and eyes! The lady was batsh*t crazy, her freezer even had 2 dead cats in it, ones who died that she couldn't bear to part with! Even though she had like 100 others still! Over the years I would see cats in random places all over the town, from behind random buildings to even discovering them dead inside abandoned buildings on the other side of town during winters (I was a little kid and it was a very small town, I knew all the places to go and have been everywhere there was to go there) I believe most, if not all of these cats, were hers ---- running away from the house and interbreeding with each other and continuously multiplying.... (gross)...

Anyways, the moral of the story, if it wasn't for crazy people like this hording mass amounts of domestic animals in their houses because they are mentally ill, and having so many of them roam free in neighborhoods outside of the house...we might not have these problems... IMO, just saying.

reply to post by DaTroof


Properly trained cats (yes, they can be trained) will stay off of surfaces where they are forbidden. Additionally, properly maintained litter boxes will keep a cats paws clean. They are clean animals, self grooming and they bury their waste without ever touching it.

My cat Polly (who was put down at 19 years old after having a stroke) was very clean. Her black fur shined! She never jumped onto the tables or counters.

Many people are irresponsible pet owners who blame their pets for not being trained. With a cat, all it takes is consistency and a good aim with a spray bottle. Eventually, they understand the rules.

I say a resounding NO! But then again I love all things pussy.

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BIRDS ARE DYING IN DROVES , an it is HUMANS that
ARE KILLING THEM. Pointing fingers as a distraction will not work.

Investigators were today still trying to identify the source of a pollution spill that may yet kill thousands of seabirds along a stretch of the South Coast from West Sussex to Cornwall. Hundreds of birds were washed ashore over the weekend covered with a sticky, oily substance.

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500 pelicans wash up dead
The oil companies as BP are to blame mostly
Thousands die as in the tar sands retaining ponds.

deaths-thousands-migrating-birds-lost-sea.

pigeons mysteriously die in India

Dead birds

Cats are NOT the reason for mass die offs of birds !
that's what the oil companies would want you to think.
Besides birds can fly, untill cats learn how to fly there is no worry.
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reply to post by Theflyingweldsman


Not true.

We have many cats in the area that are fed by a few cat ladies,
and the only times a saw any cat kill a bird was about 8 years ago, when a lot of pigeons flew into my backyard, when out of nowhere a cat came in and caught one.

But that was a long time ago, and after that, I have never seen any cat in the area kill a bird,
nor did I see any dead bird that looked like it was killed.

So please don't think that just because you see a few videos on YouTube of cats killing animals, doesn't mean that they all go on killing sprees.

reply to post by extraterrestrialentity


Trees fall down in forests,

Just because you don't hear them falling does not negate the fact that it happens.

I don't hate cats and would never hurt them or any other animal.

I also don't watch Cat videos on Youtube (Except the ones with the boxes)

I have rescued my pet budgie from the neighbours cat's mouth, as it snuck in and attacked....

Farm cats have a purpose,

Urban cats should be kept indoors.

They serve only the amusement of their owners.

And by the way...Neophile

Originally posted by Hollie
When cats roam my property, I run to brain them. And if I do brain them, they are fed to the migrating buzzards as a free meal. I don't want their toxoplasmosis infected poop anywhere near my does, chickens, quail, etc. Feral populations are now being eradicated on my island because they are consuming endangered rodents that feed the endangered birds. They go after fledglings, endangered nesting rodents, and what is worse is that the crazy cat ladies put out feed stations for the cats which attracts those same endangered rodents that are basically killed for the thrill. Domesticated cats are terrorists to wildlife. And no, it is not illegal for me to kill your cat if it is on my property.

This person claims he kills animals - he needs reporting to the police, it starts withj animals and then humans.

Murder and evil is not acceptable - this poster probably thinks it is funny that others find his/ her actions so vile.

He needs to be investigated. Poster if you are reading this get help - you are not anonymous on the internet. You will be traced,

Are you in the UK or EU ?

Originally posted by FireMoon
Under British law and I would suspect therefore NZ law, there's no such thing as a "domestic cat". Under law in Britain cats are classified as "wild animals" which means that. Their owners cannot, under any circumstances, be held legally responsible for their behaviour.
.

I wasn't aware of that until I participated in this thread and read the posts. That seems rather unfortunate for everyone concerned. It is also not very logical. Cats have been kept as domesticated companion animals since ancient times, as we know was the case with cats in ancient Egypt. Their coloring and behavior show the hallmarks of domestication. With coloring, I mean, for example, the piebald colors not seen in nature. And if animals are accepted as being domesticated or at least owned, then the owner should be held accountable for any damage caused by their pet....or livestock, or any animals under their care.

In the county where my parents lived, they were told by their veterinarian that the county would regard them as owners and hold them responsible for any and all of the stray cats they were feeding and rounding up for vaccinations and sterilizations. That is why it became necessary for them to get the stray colony they were caring for off the streets and into adoptions and shelters as quickly as possible. It seems onerous, but I think it was a good law by the county, because as nice and humane of a thing it was that my parents were doing, it would not have been fair to the neighbors. Fortunately, around the time they were caring for the strays, the street was relatively empty due to drug wars and evictions, so there were few neighbors to bother.

So, it is very different in the USA, and within the USA, there are many differences in the rules set by each local authority. But the general trend is to require more accountability from cat owners over the actions of their cats for reasons of public safety (curbing the spread of rabies) and promoting the ability of people to get along better in tighter spaces. Where state and county and city ordinances fail, some homeowners associations pick up the slack with their own set of rules.

I love and adore cats. I have six of my own, but I do understand that they can become a hazard and nuisance when they roam and I'm for constructive ideas to deal with the problems as humanely as possible, even if the dread possibility of euthanasia has to be considered.

Still, I wish the haters would meet us halfway and find something to do other than dash cats brains out and brag about doing so with such pride and relish. I understand sometimes animals have to be killed. It is the mindset exhibited in how that is accomplished that alarms me about my fellow human beings I am stuck living with. I have such a hard time catching my cats for claw trimmings. I have had to chase cats off my property myself over the years. So I know are fast and elusive. So I am suspicious that if someone can get close enough to brain a cat, they must have tricked the animal into trusting them enough to get close. Perhaps the cat was thinking they were going to finally get some care and compassion. Not all strays are truly feral at heart and those that aren't still long for human companionship. And so this person wins such an animal's trust and then injures and kills it. Then gloats about it on a public forum. Really sick.

Originally posted by DaTroof
Cats suck. They step in their litter box then jump on your kitchen table. Filthy feces spreading parasite-having things.

Dayum! We agree!

Well put. Pregnant women are not supposed to clean litter boxes, due to the possibility of contracting toxoplasmosis that cats carry that makes pregnant women spontaneously abort their fetuses.

CDC- Toxoplasmosis

But she might make a sandwich on the counter that the same filthy cat walked across with it's poo-laden paws. Yuck.

And they will lick your faucets too. Ewww.