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Should domestic cats be eradicated to protect wildlife?

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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 05:27 PM
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reply to post by FissionSurplus
 


Awesome post and food for thought big time




posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by SteveR
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This is a good response. You are the first responsible cat owner to post to the thread.


To you... that member is the first responsible cat owner to respond in this thread. That is your opinion.

However...there are many other responsible cat owners in this thread that have responded with their opinions too.

I'm just saying.



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by ForestForager
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The cats I killed were not collared, were on my property, and threatened the birds that came to my feeders, and the squirrels that came to me for nuts... it's no different then trapping/killing a rat... people keep those as pets too.


I can honestly say that if I had a neighbour who had ever touched one of my cats in such a manner

Prison would have had one more mouth to feed and society two less.



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by gangdumstyle
Yes they should be.


So school students shot to death elicits an "AMERICA, HELL YEAH!" response from you, and now we learn that you also wish to kill all cats.

Learning a lot about you lately.

scary...



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by SteveR
Yep, pet cats are routinely hunted here... I salute you for your work and foresight ForestForager. Every little bugger that is hunted and killed makes a good day. It is the owner's fault for letting the cat out. Incredibly irresponsible people. Angry pet owners who come looking around here find more than they bargained for.


Stupid humans. One day when all the wildlife is eradicated they will say "Oops, what did we do?"



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The irony in this post actually leaves an astringent taste in ones mouth.

Either that or I'm coughing up blood in disbelief.

"Stupid Humans" as he brags about killing animals and what he'd do to a human that came looking for their pet.

herp derp...

I guess he has a gun.

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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 05:52 PM
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Here we go again! More of the same old BS from more degenerate and power crazed bureaucrats, scientists, and even politicians. How long until our wet nurse the gubment takes hold of this and starts legislating restrictions and bans on whom can own cats and how many? They have already kicked around the idea of banning particular dog breeds, soft drinks have been banned in NYC, talks of banning energy drinks in Chicago, restricting and banning the right to ownership of firearms is on the table as a result of recent trends in the media, and so on and so forth. I suppose the domesticated feline is the next unlucky victim of an all encompassing and over reaching entity?

Furthermore, this study will give the nuts who get their jollies off of killing animals an excuse to partake in their sadistic and mentally deranged ways. The rats will truly inherit the world! Have I gone to sleep and awoken on some strange planet where all notions of reality has taken a backseat to zaniness and insanity? Sometimes I think so? This is really getting out of hand!

Telling us, and above all forcing us on how we can live, what we can do, what pets we can own, and this, that, and everything else is really running the gamet toward tyranny. Don't much need a baby sitter, and I am not a child! Cats serve a purpose and for any of those who think otherwise should probably take a gander at history. They are a first line of defense against vermin and pestilence. We all know what happened in Europe during the darks days of the plague, and after the so-called learned elite took it upon themselves to singled out the cat as a viable scapegoat in response to the proliferation of the plague.

Cats and the Black Plague


The Catholic Church was the most powerful entity in Europe at the time, and the masses were consumed with the presence of evil and eradicating it in any form it might be believed to take. Because of their secretive nature and their ability to survive extraordinary circumstances, the general population came to fear cats as consorts of Satan. The innocent cats began to be killed by the thousands.

The cats ultimately got their revenge, of course. Since there were few felines left, the rat populations increased unchecked, and the plague grew even more widespread. You’d think that the humans would make the connection by this point, but instead, they made things even worse. They began to associate the plague’s new vigor with the cats and even with dogs. They believed that since both of these animals typically harbored fleas, they must be the cause of the plague. Subsequently, cats were outlawed in many parts of Europe, and huge numbers of cats and dogs were killed. In fact, at one point in the middle ages, there were barely any cats left in England at all.

Even though cat ownership was illegal in some regions, a few people kept their felines. Other people finally noticed that these cat owners often seemed to be immune to the black plague.


Millions dead as a result of that brilliance. History just keeps on repeating itself. I don't like vermin and sure as heck do not like eating contaminated food that has been exposed to vermin. Therefore, I will keep a cat around. If a bird here and there should meet its end at the claw and fang of a cat? Survival of the fittest. This little battle has been waging for eons.

Besides, in my personal opinion, I have got far more enjoyment from having a cat as a pet than a dog. A cat has character! I value their independance and respect their prowess when it comes to agility and hunting. Furthermore, I like the fact that they take the extra effort to maintain cleanliness. I have never seen a cat eat its own excrement or that of another animal, but I have seen plenty of dogs do that. By all means let Fido make love to your face! To cut a long story short, I will end this with a quote by famous author, Mark Twain.

CATS


Of all God's creatures there is only one that cannot be made the slave of the lash. That one is the cat. If man could be crossed with the cat it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat.
- Notebook, 1894

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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 06:32 PM
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Careful you are speaking logic to the illogical. They will not understand and they will simply attack you because anger and death is all they know. I have 3 cats all indoor as well as 2 dogs. The dogs go outside in the fenced in back yard to go to the bathroom. My cats have never killed anything aside from a stray bug or spider.

One of our dogs though was bred for use in hunting (her breed not her specifically) and she is quite lethal to anything that she can get close to. To date she has killed and eaten two rabbits, and two or three sparrows. She is well fed but it is her instinct to kill. The animals she kills are in our fenced in backyard not on others property.

I agree with what you say about the GMO seeds. I would wager that is the biggest killer, not to mention wind farms, cars, and windows.

Of course I would also wager this is just someone with an extreme hate of an animal and decides that all of them should die just like a few of the psychopaths in this thread. God forbid if an animal does what it is designed to do. That siad feral cats might be a problem and I can see them killing more than the average house cat. At the same time anyone who has seen a feral dog pack knows they can kill just as much or that feral hogs can damage and in turn kill a lot as well. However, many just want to kill everything because the amount of death in the world is not enough as it is. Death to everything seems to be their chant, they cannot be reasoned with.

Raist



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 06:38 PM
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Or you could stop moving the blame onto others, take some responsibility and stop destroying the earth for your own selfish gain. No amount of cats will cure your loneliness, so just have 1?
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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 06:38 PM
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Animal shelters and animal control centers are absolutely full to the brim with stray cats. Why is this?

Because of lazy ass cat "owners" who get a cute little kitten and love it and oo and aww about it until it hits about 5 months old and they say "welp heres the outdoors pussy cat go nuts" They then proceed to screw every cat in the area and completely overburden the animal shelters!!! TOO MANY LAZY ASSH*LES with these "pets" that become someone elses problem.

Im not so much looking at this from a wildlife point of view, i have worked in animal shelters and it vet hospitals and everywhere you go they are at a constant crisis level with TOO MANY EFFIN CATS!!!!!!! Because dick head "owners" refuse to spend the money on neutering and they just get hundreds upon hundreds of strays and kittens every month. And the VAST majority of these cats are euthanized, and live a sad miserable existence up until that point.

So all you cat "owners" with outside cats who are not spayed or neutered YOU ARE THE EFFING PROBLEM You are lazy irresponsible people and you are the direct cause of untold amounts of suffering these animals endure inside shelters and vets.

If you own a cat and you want it to be an outdoor cat Spay or neuter it and get a collar with a licence number OR YOUR CAT SHOULD BE PUT DOWN. Stupid STUPID LAZY UNTHINKING people. Use your goddamn heads.



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 07:03 PM
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I think a ban on "outside" cats would be perfectly reasonable. It would address the issues of overpopulation and predation. Most cats - in my experience at least - would be perfectly fine living inside the majority of the time. If a cat is outside, it should be on a leash. There is no reason to hurt local wildlife unnecessarily.



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by conspiracycritic
I think a ban on "outside" cats would be perfectly reasonable. It would address the issues of overpopulation and predation. Most cats - in my experience at least - would be perfectly fine living inside the majority of the time. If a cat is outside, it should be on a leash. There is no reason to hurt local wildlife unnecessarily.

In the UK that is considered cruel so is declawing your cat which is illegal.

Also in the UK cats have a legal right to roam wherever they want - unlike dogs. So there is NOO such thing as cat trespass.

This thread had given me a headache it has too many toxic and evil people who are killers contributing [ yes i class animal killers as killers].

Thank God for all the really lovely people on here who love their animals.

I believe mankind is splitting and the good and the bad are becoming deeply embroiled in their polarities and never the twain shall meet, The overlapping ground has become non existent and the distance between the two human groups will continue to grow as one group moves towards their soul, the other loses their soul.

When I talk to or am around the dark group - I feel ill, even if I just happen to briefly talk to them on the internet,

Has anyone else noticed this ?
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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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Yes. Eradicate domestic cats.
Not only New Zealand. ... worldwide.

I don't like cats.



posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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Why can't they create some sort of feline centered fertility virus that cuts down their litter sizes dramatically. Key would be having a treatment to increase specific felines (domestic) fertility when desired.

Wonder how hard it would be.



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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX
Why can't they create some sort of feline centered fertility virus that cuts down their litter sizes dramatically. Key would be having a treatment to increase specific felines (domestic) fertility when desired.

Wonder how hard it would be.

It should be possible with the strides that they are making in genetic engineering.

That is a really good idea!



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posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by dmsuse
People are too selfish to ever give up cats, the human race is parasite on the earth.

People need to start looking past their own selfishness to see the bigger picture.

It will never happen though
So my suggestion would be, to let your dogs loose and let the cat owners watch as your dog tears it apart


The irony in this though, is that when a cat would go tearing apart a bird, the owners will not bat an eye lid. Yet when a dog tears open a cat it's somehow so much worse. lol
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I haven't caught up with this thread yet but you do realize feral and unleashed dogs do also inflict a lot of damage on the environment. I realize not everyone lives where there are lots of feral dogs running around, but those who do give some very compelling accounts of how destructive these animals are. I have seen some idiot out at Myrtle Beach let his off leash dog attack a sea gull and damage the bird's wing. You would think the gull would have been able to fly away but that dog was fast, cunning and the bird was caught off guard.

But there is an ingrained prejudice against cats and cat owners in many societies while anyone who says anything negative about a dog is slammed for daring to be critical of man's best friend. I don't understand why people who like dogs but not cats so often feel the need to make threats against cats that involve their dogs tearing apart a cat. Or going to places like Pets Mart and encouraging their dogs to terrorize the cats up for adoption. What are such people compensating for?

I own dogs and cats. I advocate responsible considerate ownership of both animals. I keep my dog on leash, I clean up after her as required by law and good manners, and I keep my cats indoors. This is the right thing to do to be considerate of nature and my neighbors. It's also the law. When consideration fails, there is always the hope law can get people to do the right thing.

The indoor cats are not missing any thrills. In fact, when I lived where it was relatively safe to let them sit out in the yard supervised, none of them...not a single one of the six, took me up on the offer. All were former street strays and knew they weren't missing much. The only cat I ever had that wanted to get out had been born in my home to a rescued stray.

Mice do get into my house from time to time. Only two of my cats hunt them. The rest don't care. I get no enjoyment from seeing the mice hunted. Whenever possible, once I know the mouse is in the house, I catch it myself and put it out in the woods. Where a fox often gets it. Should we have our dogs tear the foxes up, too?

I do think it is terrible that neighborhood cats raid and kill fish in a backyard pond. I think whoever owns these cats is grossly inconsiderate. Where I live they are also breaking the local law and could be fined. But raccoons often do the same thing to ponds. So do predatory birds. The solution is not to kill all cats or outlaw cats, but try to find a way to secure the pond from all predators.

Again it is a people problem when cats cause problems. Attack (verbally) the careless pet owners. Get laws passed to hold these people financially accountable for the damage their pets cause. I just do not get people thinking it is cool or funny to make threats about ripping animals apart. And not all cats are identical in personality. They are as varied in their behavior and preferences as people are. Not all of them hunt or kill. There was a cat in my old neighborhood who used to nap with guinea pigs. My parents cats had their own pet rabbit friend. They groomed him and looked after him when he got old and sickly. These were cats who used to survive by hunting until my parents took them in. Blind hatred of an entire species, especially to the point of wanting to inflict violence, just doesn't seem logical to me, especially not a species that offers such variety in personalities as the domestic cat.
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