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posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 09:08 PM
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Bad families. . Bad medicine. Bad faith. Bad environment makes bad brains willing to commit atrocities against the innocent.




posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by burdman30ott6
And again another of these articles fails to make any connection between the overall turning to crap of America and the divorce rate and single parent family rates. Since the 60s divorces and single parent families have tripled. 80% of those single parent families are mom only. How in the blue hell can anyone in their right mind expect solid, strong young men to be raised when their primary influence from "dad" is whether he sent the monthly support check or not?

Fix the American family and you fix America, bottom line.


You get em... So true.
Kids Having kids
wisdom and learned lessons vanishes



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 09:21 PM
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Yeah, maybe the AA-12




posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 09:25 PM
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white... ....men.


Ah, one of THESE threads.... eh?

White men are the devil, huh?




posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 09:34 PM
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No...wrong again. First you said the Army doesn't use shotguns. Then you said they do, and provided an example of a shotgun that has NEVER been used by the Army...grasp for straws much?
edit on 1-2-2013 by LennayTheUndead because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 10:04 PM
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Yawn, you are boring!



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by FyreByrd

Originally posted by jessejamesxx
What percentage of the shooters have been on SSRIs? Why is it that no one brings up the fact that half of the ads for medication on TV are prone to cause suicide?

Its not the whole argument or cause, but its a factor.


I think that would fall under "Distain for mental health issues".


But what does that mean exactly? I'm not talking about people with health issues, I'm talking about the medication causing them or driving them to these horrible acts.. No one brings up the fact that all of them were on SSRIs, maybe "may cause mass murder sprees/suicides" should be in the commercials as well.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 10:22 PM
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It is obvious that mind control is the real reason for the spate of mass shooting incidents, based upon the strange expressions exhibited by the shooters:


12-6-89 Ecole Poytechnique, Montreal, Marc Lepine, 25
Those students who saw the gunman walk by reported later that he was smiling. "Nothing crazy," said one, "just like he was having a good time."

12-1-97 Heath High School, Paducah, Kentucky, Michael Carneal, 14
"Kelly Carneal stood just a few feet away from the prayer group, looking at her brother in complete amazement: His face looked different, and his body posture was different..... He looked like a completely different person. I would not have recognized him had he not had on the same clothes as he had on that morning. ....he turned his head and he looked at me . And I realized he didn't know who I was. ...I will never forget that stare on Michael's face in a million years...... It was just blank, nothingness. It's like there was nothing in him."

4-15-99 LDS Church Family History Library
According to a tourist at the scene of the shooting, the gunman appeared to be relaxed...

4-20-99
Columbine massacre
"She said that they(the library shooters) sounded happy, not evil or mean."
"The gunman's voices seemed so happy."

5-20-99 Conyers, GA, Heritage High, T.J. Solomon, 15
--Witnesses described the shooter as initially "calm, sedate, vacant, and robotic."

3-5-01 Santana HS, San Diego County, Charles 'Andy' Williams,
Another detective characterized the boy as "vacant" during questioning.

2-1-06 Massachusetts gay bar slasher/shooter, Jacob D. Robida, 18
"He never showed any emotion. Just a cold, dull look." (witness to bar attack)

3-25-06 Seattle Rave Slaying, WA, Kyle Huff, 28
"He didn't show a lot of emotion." "He seemed so out of it. He didn't say much..."
Witness: "He is haunted by the expression he saw on Kyle's face—or the lack of one. Kyle Huff was, said Mark, "like a robot." "

9-13-06 Montreal, Dawson College, Kimveer Gill, 25,
Witness: "He said nothing. He had a stone cold face, there was nothing on his face, he didn't say anything..."

2-12-07 SLC Trolley Square massacre, Sulejman Talovic, 18
"His expression seemed totally calm," (an eyewitness named) Smith said.
"Witnesses who saw the gunman described him as calm and silent throughout the rampage."

2-14-08 Northern Illinois University, Steven Kazmierczak, 27
"His face was blank, like he wasn't a person. He was a statue, aiming."
Another witness: "He had blank stare on his face, not a frown, not a grin, like there was nobody there."

9-23-08 Kauhajoki School of Hospitality Matti Juhani Saari, a 22
The survivors have told police that Saari went round executing people one by one as they cowered on the floor and seemed to be "enjoying it."

4-30-09 State Oil Academy, Baku Farda Gadirov, 29
"He had very strange face and look. Then he began to shoot,” a witness said.

11-5-09 Ft. Hood, TX, Major Malik Nadal Hasan
"... he had a blank expression on his face, almost like he was not there.." "He didn't care. He was just looking at me," said the sergeant, who took several bullets after that wordless exchange. "He wasn't angry. He wasn't happy. It was just, you know, a passive look."

6-2-10 Cumbria Rampage, Taxi driver Derrick Bird, 52
"He didn’t speak. He seemed dazed, as if he was in another world...”
"He was staring straight ahead, completely vacant and without emotion."
Before the shooting: "He just seemed to be in another world. He didn't seem himself. ... That last time I saw him he was like a zombie."

9-28-10 University of Texas/Austin, Colton Tooley, 19
"Multiple reports say that the gunman appeared to be "jovial." "
"He was saying crazy things, almost as if he wasn't taking the moment seriously."

11-29-10 Marinette High School, Marinette, WI Sam Hengel, 15
"Hengel... didn't seem to be angry or agitated."

1-8-11 Safeway/Tucson, AZ Jared Loughner, 22
Eyewitness claimed he had a blank expression on his face..
"He didn't look angry, just a dead face, nothing."
"Shooter had 'passive' face." "He(gunman) was cold, he didn't care."

7-22-11 Oslo/Utoya Island, Norway Anders Behring Breivik, 32
'...eyewitness reports stating Breivik carried out what would have undoubtedly been an intense and stressful rampage with complete calmness and a blank expression on his face.’

1-27-12 Chardon HS, Chardon, OH T.J. Lane, 17
"As he opened fire, the shooter was expressionless, a student recalled."

3-8-12 Western Psych Hospital shooting, Pittsburgh, PA John F. Shick, 30
"Mr. Shick, he(eyewitness) said, was yelling unintelligibly. His face was expressionless."

7-20-12 Batman Shooting, Aurora, C0 James Holmes, 24
While shooting, he had the classic "blank," "calm" expression on his face.
"Police reports from the day of the shooting noted that after he was apprehended, Holmes "stared off into space" and "seemed out of it." "He was very relaxed," Oviatt testified. "It was like there weren't normal emotional responses." ...Holmes was "just standing there.." "Not doing anything. Not in any hurry. Not excited. Not urgent about anything." "

12-11-12 Clackamas Town Center Mall, Oregon, Jacob Tyler Roberts, 22
One witness told KPTV that the gunman ran past her and her boyfriend and "had the look of death in his eyes."





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Another commonality indicating mind-control is that the alleged perp has no memory of the event:


10-1-97 Pearl, MS, Pearl H.S., Luke Woodham, 16
"Woodham said he doesn't remember killing his mother."

9-28-04 Islas Malvinas Middle School No. 2, Carmen de Patagones, Argentina
--(Shooter) said he wasn't conscious at the time he shot....

3-2-05 Stewart County High School, Cumberland City, TN, Jason Clinard, 14
He shot his school bus driver six times, killing her as she stopped to pick him up. "He said that the last thing he remembered was watching television that morning. ...Jason said that the next thing he remembered was after the alleged offense. He said he was heading into the woods when his mother called him on his cell phone... at that time he "woke up" in the woods... He said he was surprised to learn he had shot somebody."

11-20-05 Tacoma, WA Mall Shooter Dominick Sergio Maldonado, 20
“He tells us that he has very little memory of being at the mall and the shooting itself," his defense attorney said.

4-29-08 Excel Institute, Wash DC Wesley Johnson, 27
"The man suspected of opening fire at a vocational school in D.C. Tuesday and then leading officers on a chase said he doesn't remember any of it."

1-23-09 Fabeltjesland nursery/day care stabbings, Belgium, Kim de Gelder, 20
His lawyer... said that his client "had no specific memories of what happened in the daycare centre."

1-12-10 UofA/Huntsville, Amy Bishop, 44
"She has absolutely no recollection of shooting," court-appointed defense attorney Roy Miller said.

7-22-11 Oslo/Utoya Island, Norway Anders Behring Breivik, 32
"He asked me if was if I was shocked and if I could explain to him what happened," (defense attorney)Lippestad said. "He didn't know if he had succeeded with his plan."

4-2-12 Oikos University, Oakland One L. Goh, 43
"I only remember parts of that day and it is too hard to talk about," Goh reportedly told (reporter Juliette)Goodrich.

7-20-12 Batman Shooting, Aurora, C0 James Holmes, 24
"The 24-year-old repeatedly asked prison guards "Why am I here?" and said he had no recollection of the killings during a midnight premiere of the new Batman film, according to the New York Daily News."



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by shivaX
Hmm the citizens are angry because of the tyrannical rule of Barack 'Hussein' Obama.

They are also enraged because 3000 US citizens were sent to Allah by Islamic terrorists in 9/11.




Jesus, how old are you? This Anti-Obama stuff is getting REAL old, REAL fast.

It is funny, because the "liberals" or whatever all scream that Obama is using drones, doesn't care about this, or that.....hates our freedom, and the "republicans" are all screaming that Obama is a socialist/communist, liberal, etc. Obama apparently is too "liberal" for the conservatives, and too "moderate" or "conservative" for the liberals. He can't win.


I'm not a supporter of his, but then again, I'm not a supporter of ANY democrat or republican, as BOTH parties have been PROVEN to be funded and completely owned by the super wealthy elite. Although the term "elite" and "super wealthy" has become cliche nowadays, it is true now more than EVER, when the vast majority of the world''s wealth is even MORE consolidated into the hands of a few than EVEN 5 or 10 YEARS ago.

No, I can't hate on Obama. For someone who is a puppet of the super wealthy elite, he at least has shown himself to have A) a sense of humor, B) SOME integrity, unlike Bush, showing that he has limits and boundaries that even the super wealthy can't buy him out of, and C) Even though he is a PUPPET of the super wealthy, he isn't technically "one of them" like Bush is.

Now, again, I don't support Obama. He is a puppet of the super wealthy elite nonetheless. Still, it is sickening to see how much everyone HATES obama, and ignores the REAL problems in this country. Obama isn't the problem. The person wearing the hat isn't the problem. It is the OFFICE ITSELF. The presidency, much like our entire political system, and nearly EVERY major infastructure in the United States, has been infiltrated , corrupted, and bent to the will of the super wealthy elite. Blame THEM, not Obama.



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by jessejamesxx

Originally posted by FyreByrd

Originally posted by jessejamesxx
What percentage of the shooters have been on SSRIs? Why is it that no one brings up the fact that half of the ads for medication on TV are prone to cause suicide?

Its not the whole argument or cause, but its a factor.


I think that would fall under "Distain for mental health issues".


But what does that mean exactly? I'm not talking about people with health issues, I'm talking about the medication causing them or driving them to these horrible acts.. No one brings up the fact that all of them were on SSRIs, maybe "may cause mass murder sprees/suicides" should be in the commercials as well.


These people were #ed up to begin with, that's why they were on medication. Millions of people are on the same type of medication but they don't go postal. Why is that?



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by FyreByrd

Mass Killings: Why American Men Are "Going Postal"


truth-out.org

The blind rage of mass killings is a wake-up call. We have to look at the interaction of all the conditions of existence that combine to generate America's mass killings. At present, the US is home to a vast group of predominantly white, dispossessed, enraged men. We have a political system that permits vast money at the top to hijack our politics and culture with unlimited "gifts." Our airwaves are sold to the highest bidder. We have powerful lobbies that sell US militarism and gun ownership as refuges for dispossessed men. We have profit churning mass media with films, videos, and adverti
(visit the link for the full news article)


Related News Links:
www.nytimes.com
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk
www.nationalreview.com
www.rolereboot.org

Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion Threads:
Classic Facial Warning Signs in Today's Mass Murderers
Why are white men the predominant culprits to mass murder/suicide?
edit on Fri Feb 1 2013 by DontTreadOnMe because: added links to related threads


I seem to remember two black males shooting up people along the highways of Maryland, sniper style. These shootings aren't all "angry white men". There's plenty of shootings in the ghetto that the MSM seems to want to ignore.

I'm also of the belief that some of these shootings aren't what they appear to be on the surface. Oh and one other thing, the population of the US is almost 80% caucasian so the numbers are there to support the idea that if this sort of thing happens, the odds are the person was white that perpetrated the crime.
edit on 1-2-2013 by Bilk22 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 11:48 PM
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The article the OP sourced is a TERRIBLE read. The author uses anecdotal examples to apply his subjective preverse thesis on why he thinks things are the way they are...And its the "white males" fault... Yet blacks, per capita speaking, have a higher imprisonment rate as well as a higher homicide rate. Most homicide killings are in fact "gang on gang", which are mostly involved with minorities.

Then the author compares two different countries (US and Japan), which are two completely different cultures, and wonders why there is a difference? What is the absolute measure he uses? Lets have a look:


A key difference between Japan and the US is that Japan has maintained a strong social safety net. Even with their 20-year recession, there is not the pervasive feeling of hopelessness that there is in America, nor has Japan abandoned men, nor is there a hopelessness that is all the more noticeable because of the centuries-old optimism that existed beforehand in America, and which is exacerbated because acknowledgement of its loss is censored.


No "strong social safety net." Meaning what exactly? And there is no "pervasive hopelessness" because Japanese men aren't shooting up schools? Is this the measure the author is using to make this anecdotal claim? How about the fact that Japan has a MUCH HIGHER suicide rate than the US? Wouldn't that be the "ultimate measure" of noticeable "hopelessness"? Needless to say, this "author" doesn't seem to have his facts straight. Lets blame Reagan and white males for everything! That'll surely work this problem out...
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by supermarket2012

Originally posted by shivaX
Hmm the citizens are angry because of the tyrannical rule of Barack 'Hussein' Obama.

They are also enraged because 3000 US citizens were sent to Allah by Islamic terrorists in 9/11.




Jesus, how old are you? This Anti-Obama stuff is getting REAL old, REAL fast.

It is funny, because the "liberals" or whatever all scream that Obama is using drones, doesn't care about this, or that.....hates our freedom, and the "republicans" are all screaming that Obama is a socialist/communist, liberal, etc. Obama apparently is too "liberal" for the conservatives, and too "moderate" or "conservative" for the liberals. He can't win.


I'm not a supporter of his, but then again, I'm not a supporter of ANY democrat or republican, as BOTH parties have been PROVEN to be funded and completely owned by the super wealthy elite. Although the term "elite" and "super wealthy" has become cliche nowadays, it is true now more than EVER, when the vast majority of the world''s wealth is even MORE consolidated into the hands of a few than EVEN 5 or 10 YEARS ago.

No, I can't hate on Obama. For someone who is a puppet of the super wealthy elite, he at least has shown himself to have A) a sense of humor, B) SOME integrity, unlike Bush, showing that he has limits and boundaries that even the super wealthy can't buy him out of, and C) Even though he is a PUPPET of the super wealthy, he isn't technically "one of them" like Bush is.

Now, again, I don't support Obama. He is a puppet of the super wealthy elite nonetheless. Still, it is sickening to see how much everyone HATES obama, and ignores the REAL problems in this country. Obama isn't the problem. The person wearing the hat isn't the problem. It is the OFFICE ITSELF. The presidency, much like our entire political system, and nearly EVERY major infastructure in the United States, has been infiltrated , corrupted, and bent to the will of the super wealthy elite. Blame THEM, not Obama.


So after your rant, what's the point you're trying to make?



posted on Feb, 1 2013 @ 11:51 PM
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Originally posted by rock427
The article the OP sourced is a TERRIBLE read. The author uses anecdotal examples to apply his subjective preverse thesis on why he thinks things are the way they are...And its the "white males" fault... Yet blacks, per capita speaking, have a higher imprisonment rate as well as a higher homicide rate. Most homicide killings are in fact "gang on gang", which are mostly involved with minorities.

Then the author compares two different countries (US and Japan), which are two completely different cultures, and wonders why there is a difference? What is the absolute measure he uses? Lets have a look:


A key difference between Japan and the US is that Japan has maintained a strong social safety net. Even with their 20-year recession, there is not the pervasive feeling of hopelessness that there is in America, nor has Japan abandoned men, nor is there a hopelessness that is all the more noticeable because of the centuries-old optimism that existed beforehand in America, and which is exacerbated because acknowledgement of its loss is censored.


No "strong social safety net." Meaning what exactly? And there is no "pervasive hopelessness" because Japanese men aren't shooting up schools? Is this the measure the author is using to make this anecdotal claim? How about the fact that Japan has a MUCH HIGHER suicide rate than the US? Wouldn't that be the "ultimate measure" of noticeable "hopelessness"? Needless to say, this "author" doesn't seem to have his facts straight. Lets blame Reagan and white males for everything! That'll surely work this problem out...
en.wikipedia.org...



I wonder how many people in Japan get to stay home and collect a check from their government, paid for by everyone else? Was that in the article? I didn't bother to read it as the premise, right off the bat, screams agenda.



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by Waldy

Ban assault rifles and the mass killings will not be as devastating! There will always be maniacs who go and shoot innocent people and always have been, however, since they started using assault rifles the casualty count has gone up.


ARs are used in about 50 murders per year...

Shotguns 800

.22 rifles and deer style rifles 350

Hand guns 8000

So explain again where the problem is?



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Bilk22
I wonder how many people in Japan get to stay home and collect a check from their government, paid for by everyone else? Was that in the article? I didn't bother to read it as the premise, right off the bat, screams agenda.


The author uses Japan as the main example for a reason. It really is intellectual dishonesty. There is no culture quite like Japans in this world. The crime rate is amongst the worlds lowest, and that is primarily due to the Japanese culture of respect. Respect for their fellow man. Why not compare the UK to the US? Because the UK has a much higher violent crime rate when compared to the US. And despite gun ownership being illegal in the UK, gun crime is up there 89% over the past decade (1999-2009). So why not compare the UK with the US? Because the author couldn't arrive at his skewed argument which sought to blame Reagan and white males.
edit on 2-2-2013 by rock427 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by FyreByrd

Mass Killings: Why American Men Are "Going Postal"


truth-out.org

The blind rage of mass killings is a wake-up call. We have to look at the interaction of all the conditions of existence that combine to generate America's mass killings. At present, the US is home to a vast group of predominantly white, dispossessed, enraged men. We have a political system that permits vast money at the top to hijack our politics and culture with unlimited "gifts." Our airwaves are sold to the highest bidder. We have powerful lobbies that sell US militarism and gun ownership as refuges for dispossessed men. We have profit churning mass media with films, videos, and adverti
(visit the link for the full news article)


Related News Links:
www.nytimes.com
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk
www.nationalreview.com
www.rolereboot.org

Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion Threads:
Classic Facial Warning Signs in Today's Mass Murderers
Why are white men the predominant culprits to mass murder/suicide?
edit on Fri Feb 1 2013 by DontTreadOnMe because: added links to related threads


This is just more propaganda to divert attention from the eveil bastards who have hijacked this country and are trying to disarm the population. The mass Shootings are mostly MK Ultra driven productions or trained assassins with a set up patsy who conveniently kills himself. And gun related deaths are still only 1.5 percent of deaths to keep things in perspective. That ought to tell you something when the state controlled media focus on something that is not even in the radar for causes of death. Don't buy the BS!
edit on 2-2-2013 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by Waldy
reply to post by LennayTheUndead
 


Yawn, you are boring!


Is it boring because it's factual information that doesn't support your lunatic fringe like claims?



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 01:07 AM
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The reason is that many myths and delusions are losing ground to stand on.


You've hit the nail on the head. Americans have been told for so long that we're naturally better than everyone else and that our country is the most wealthy and advanced in the world, and so naturally many people never tried to suceed in life because they were led to believe it would come automatically.

Now that the country has been changed so that only high achievers can succeed, a lot of people feel like they have no future.



posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 02:42 AM
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Once again, I remind y'all, that this is just regarding MASS KILLINGS (defined as 4 or more in a single instance). Statistics about regular killings has no bearing.






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