Mass Killings: Why American Men Are "Going Postal", page 2


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reply posted on 1-2-2013 @ 11:16 AM by WaterBottle
Originally posted by stuncrazy
Originally posted by WaterBottle
reply to
post by burdman30ott6





Fix the American family and you fix America, bottom line.


Not really. The family is only one part of it, poverty and access to decent paying jobs is another.


love this. i would only like to add is that fixing poverty and access to better paying jobs would fix the american family. bottom line.


Yup. The majority of the people with messed up families are the poor and lower middle classes.


reply posted on 1-2-2013 @ 12:46 PM by DrNotforhire
Originally posted by FyreByrd


I hope that you will take the time to read this article. It has some valid points on why this phenomenon is taking place in the US.

The author cites four fundamental causes:

1) Decline of good wage earner jobs (Union Jobs)
2) Militarism (Military Industrial Complex)
3) No real social safety net
4) Distain towards Metal Health.

I offer additional links for depth:



truth-out.org
(visit the link for the full news article)


After reading the points, I refuse to even click that liberal propaganda.... Seriously, all these excuses are RIGHT out of the communist handbook.... NOT EVEN JOKING!

Here's the real problem.... we have 336 Million people living in this country.... 1 out of 10 million seem to go on a spree... thats like lotto magic...

also, we have parents not taking care of kids, DOPING THEM UP WITH DRUGS, and then of course, our government PRODS them with racism... Race baiting etc.

(look at what our president has done to divide this country over the last 5 years)
edit on 1-2-2013 by DrNotforhire because: (no reason given)




reply posted on 1-2-2013 @ 01:00 PM by DrNotforhire
reply to post by Jeremiah65



Or how about the Liberal dense cities (IE chicago and Las Angeles, DC, Detroit) are the WORST in the nation for Violent Crime... The more dense the democrat population the more dangerous the city


reply posted on 1-2-2013 @ 01:21 PM by shakeshakeshake
Heres an article that refutes peoples notion that mass killings are happening more regularly-

reason.com...

I think its just being bombarded with sensationalism 24-7 where people feel like they are happening more and more...

If they are happening more and more however, I would look at the rise of social media, I think as social media becomes more powerful and more in depth, those people who feel that they are different will feel even more different and alienated because the more powerful social media is the easier it is to seperate people into differentiating groups.


reply posted on 1-2-2013 @ 01:52 PM by Def Youth
reply to post by shivaX




You're either joking or you're one of the insane "postal" people they're talking about. Tyrannical rule? Give me a break, c'mon.


reply posted on 1-2-2013 @ 03:19 PM by penninja
Originally posted by stuncrazy
Originally posted by WaterBottle
reply to
post by burdman30ott6





Fix the American family and you fix America, bottom line.


Not really. The family is only one part of it, poverty and access to decent paying jobs is another.


love this. i would only like to add is that fixing poverty and access to better paying jobs would fix the american family. bottom line.


WRONG

You don't need a lot of money to have inspiration, creativity, LOVE, stability emotionally, and much more

Our culture leads us to say things like JOBS and material issues but realistically that's Bull kaka

when we were at our best you came home and tossed a ball with Dad... The mental stability doesn't come from if it's a 350.00 xbox set up or a .99 cent spalding, the mental stability comes from companionship and attitude and love

You have parents or you don't

your learning life from other kids nonexistent values or adults

America was built on poverty with strong family units...just like China is today

I'd quote the movie social network "At Harvard we don't seek Jobs we invent them"

That was once every Americans thought on the subject, families worked together and built businesses, Money doesn't mean squat.... a productive Family with life centered around goals does, that invents Money from nothing

Mom convinced by Dr phil to seek out Orgasms and Dad out of the picture is a Money Vacuum

The economy? What economy when dads disposable income is used NOT for lawnmowers and vacations but for child support? Mom pays rent and bills nothing goes back to the private sector it is of course almost never enough for a life by itself 2 households one income Good Luck....So mom can avoid work via welfare, mom doesn't pay taxes she gets a refund for having kids... she takes food stamps and health care... s Dad spends NOTHING into economy, Mom draws from economy and whole time the kids have no parents

No Family = No Economy



reply posted on 1-2-2013 @ 03:41 PM by Waldy
reply to post by jtma508



Ban assault rifles and the mass killings will not be as devastating! There will always be maniacs who go and shoot innocent people and always have been, however, since they started using assault rifles the casualty count has gone up.


reply posted on 1-2-2013 @ 03:50 PM by Templeton
reply to post by Waldy



You can't take effect and make it the cause.

What happens when everyone has access to a 3d printer and a schematic for an electric railgun. We ban 3d printers of course. I'm sure big business would love that. Maybe that is the plan to begin with...

Obama said their were 900 shootings in december. Dramatic, yes? The billboard at my bus stop says 7000 kids drop out of school every day. How many lose jobs or houses in december I don't know, but I would put money on it being well over 900.

You can't take the effect and make it the cause.

(Thanks Jack Black)


reply posted on 1-2-2013 @ 04:01 PM by jtma508
reply to post by Waldy



Oh that's just so incorrect. That's what the MSM likes to offer-up and people, in turn, lap it up. The fact is, if the shooter at Sandy Hook had entered that school with a shotgun the devastation would have been geometrically higher. Every shell, depending on load, would have sprayed numerous projectiles into a lethal kill radius. It would have been like firing a machine gun. Standard HD loads would fire from 9 to 16 lethal pellets per shell. Imagine that in a close environment like the school? This has nothung to do with 'assault weapons'. Check the statistics. Assault weapons are used in a tiny fraction of firearm homicides.


reply posted on 1-2-2013 @ 04:03 PM by nightstalker46
reply to post by FyreByrd



Glad you appreciated William F. Buckleys logic. Sorry you missed the obvious logic in your own post. The common linkage of violence, as presented by your own links , is a sense of victimization on the part of the offender, whether real or imagined.
Those with serious mental problems are more highly reactive to the victimization belief or perception and account for most of the mass killings recently if you believe the "official" versions
But the rampage of violence seen in some of our major cities is also directly related to the victimization mentality. Crime statistic's show that blacks compose about 13% of the population but account for 51% of all murders and 91% of those victims were black. Ask the majority of blacks if they consider themselves to be "victims" of whatever and the answer will be yes.
Now, where is this concept of victimization most espoused. You guessed it. The ultra liberal left's MSM and the leftist leaning politicians. It's a tactic that has been projected by the left for more than a hundred years and literally perfected by today.s globalist politicians.
The current administration has used this time tested method to completely polarize the nation, and paralyze "our" congress, to justify it's disregard of the constitution and the stripping away of personal guaranteed rights and liberties.
As proof, I would direct you to the last presidential election, where class warfare, discrimination against women, minorities, gays ,union vs, non-union etc., etc..was the predominate theme of the lefts campaign.
In summery, your subtle insinuations of who or what is the cause of violent crime falls far short of logic.
Logic would suggest that the perpetuation of a victimization status is the real reason for violent crimes and assuming personal responsibility for one's actions and condition in life is the solution.
But if that philosophy was actually part of the national discourse, we wouldn't need such a bloated bankrupt government to tell us all how to run our lives, would we? No, the left could not allow that to happen could they.


reply posted on 1-2-2013 @ 04:15 PM by Malcher
Originally posted by WaterBottle
I think it is just because America is not a friendly place. It's an all for yourself country.

You have a ton of people with this sort of mindset...



Literally about half the country thinks like this. And the other half is only slightly better..slightly.

edit on 1-2-2013 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)


I guess those three people in the video is supposed to...do what for us exactly?

Also, i am sure you could find three people holding signs and throwing money at each other in most any country. I love news and videos from other countries. Language is a problem because the little subtitles on the bottom give you two choices - read the subtitle or watch the video. All foreign videos should contain an embedded text file that opens with the video.
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