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Originally posted by HopSkipJump
Originally posted by beezzer
Biden says how it's patriotic to pay higher taxes.
Biden is an idiot
Just like Dan Quayle was an idiot
...and Dick Cheney was an evil monster
We have to stop beingn controlled by political extremes and come together as citizens of our country and solve these problems
Originally posted by HopSkipJump
How can we get the others to understand this and help us to move forward instead of bickering back and forth and taking down the entire country in their tantrums?
We tried that, it didn't work. Google "Civil War" to see how it turned out.
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
Originally posted by HopSkipJump
Originally posted by beezzer
Biden says how it's patriotic to pay higher taxes.
Biden is an idiot
Just like Dan Quayle was an idiot
...and Dick Cheney was an evil monster
We have to stop beingn controlled by political extremes and come together as citizens of our country and solve these problems
YOu say that on one hand, but then throughout the thread you have accused people of being one thing or another, thrown out slanderous terms at people who dont agree with you, and displayed your partisan side......
You have been vitriolic and instigacious.....
I do not believe you are sincere
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by HopSkipJump
Originally posted by beezzer
Biden says how it's patriotic to pay higher taxes.
Biden is an idiot
Just like Dan Quayle was an idiot
...and Dick Cheney was an evil monster
We have to stop beingn controlled by political extremes and come together as citizens of our country and solve these problems
Everyone of all political stripes see the same problems.
It's the solutions that differentiate us.
Originally posted by frazzle
As for the power grids:
The Energy Crisis is a lie, the problem was solved 100 years ago by a scientist named Nikola Tesla.
He had discovered a way to harness the naturally occurring electricity from the ionosphere, and then in turn rebroadcast it to individual relay stations that could be placed anywhere and were no larger then your average car antenna.
Each primary tower could produce renewable, safe, clean electricity, and would then broadcast it wirelessly to points as far (as his experiments in Colorado springs showed) as 30 miles away from the primary tower.
Nikola Tesla's primary investor, J.P. Morgan, thought he was investing in the world's first radio tower, but unknown to him, that was only one of its purposes and capabilities.
Did they just crawl out from under a rock somewhere in the desert and say "hey, look what I made!"?? No, they were educated by a school system set up by the government, they were raised in a society that was made possible by an organized government.
Thomas Edison had very little formal education as a child, attending school only for a few months. He was taught reading, writing, and arithmetic by his mother, but was always a very curious child and taught himself much by reading on his own.
Originally posted by HopSkipJump
I think my most extreme solution would be to abolish all existing laws and rewrite them (not abolish them until the new ones are written of course).
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by Observor
Who said anything about any political party? What is wrong with trying to dissociate oneself from a nation that no longer represents what some believed it did when joining it? Texas wan't always part of the US.
the US wasn't always part of the US...all of this is indian county anyhow...what is, is.
Texas is part of the US now.
Want to leave the union...that's not something achieved by a soapbox and a stand..that is achieved by a passport and a ticket to wherever you want to go, assuming they will take you in.
you can leave the union as a person, but you can't take part of it with you.
Ref: 1860
Originally posted by HopSkipJump
What are some solutions that you see as possibilities?
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by HopSkipJump
Did they just crawl out from under a rock somewhere in the desert and say "hey, look what I made!"?? No, they were educated by a school system set up by the government, they were raised in a society that was made possible by an organized government.
Thomas Edison had very little formal education as a child, attending school only for a few months. He was taught reading, writing, and arithmetic by his mother, but was always a very curious child and taught himself much by reading on his own.
inventors.about.com...
You, on the other hand, were obviously educated in a system set up by the government.
Nuff said.
Originally posted by HopSkipJump
It would be a different form of government than we presently use. I'm not sure I would be 100% in support of it for various reasons that I would really have to think through, but I do respect your opinion on it and see it as viable, perhaps not my first choice, but viable.
Technocracy is a form of government in which experts in technology would be in control of all decision making. Scientists, engineers, and technologists who have knowledge, expertise, or skills, would compose the governing body, instead of politicians, businessmen, and economists. In a technocracy, decision makers would be selected based upon how knowledgeable and skillful they are in their field.
Originally posted by Jeremiah65
reply to post by HopSkipJump
Well, in a sense, you are correct. I do not hate the foundations of who and what we are...I hate the manipulations of those things.
I want freedom for all....it is and will be a broad brush stroke...I am not going to get into what I think "freedom" is. Suffice to say....we are being played...we are being herded. TPTB want to make you think your voice has a meaning when in fact they do all they can to make sure it does not.
I am the reluctant revolutionary....I 'GET IT"...I do not want my children and grandchildren to have to suffer this....I do not want them struggling to eat or shelter themselves...this is an abomination and it will be broken and corrected.....all human beings should have the basics of life....food, water and shelter...those that think this is a route of profit should be taken out and shot....seriously...humanity wins...greed will find it is a loser.... If you disagree with me...fine...gimme your phone number and address
Those that think that it is their place to rule over another human will find they have no use anymore....it is time to face their gravestones....you are no longer needed...
No human is entitled to rule over another....you will get what is coming if you think you do...and what is that?...painful death.....edit on 1/20/2013 by Jeremiah65 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by HopSkipJump
I think my most extreme solution would be to abolish all existing laws and rewrite them (not abolish them until the new ones are written of course).
Our current politicians can't even pass a budget...you think they would do well coming up with fair and effective laws?
Also, we the individuals can't do anything...we the people don't care..so this is all just academic yapping without any actual possibility of change. Pretty sure the typical American doesn't go to ATS to get their political motivation..and until CNN does a series on how we need to start over, ya...just some people chatting with no possible outcome coming from it.
-cynical, but realist-
Originally posted by Observor
Since when have you become the owner of the entire territory of the US?
No one is expecting there will be a peaceful secession should only one state desire it. But if enough states are convinced that the only way to rescue the US is to first dissolve the entire union and form another the way it was intended to be and announce secession all at the same time, exactly what do you think the federal government is going to do? Start bombing over half the country? But for that idea to catch up, someone has to start and Texas is taking the lead.
The US was not established by peaceful means and taking it back from the special interests is not going to be peaceful either.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by HopSkipJump
What are some solutions that you see as possibilities?
My posting history would describe that.
Some solutions would have us revolt against tyranny.
Other solutions describe working within the system.
Others still would enjoy the new "transformed" America and do nothing.
It all depends on how much the country is "fundamentally transformed".
www.pbs.org...
No patent is truly safe, as Tesla's career demonstrates. In 1900, the Marconi Wireless Telegraph Company, Ltd. began thriving in the stock markets—due primarily to Marconi's family connections with English aristocracy. British Marconi stock soared from $3 to $22 per share and the glamorous young Italian nobleman was internationally acclaimed.