47 States Revolt Against Obama Gun Control

Originally posted by usmc0311
I don't understand why this is being done on a Saturday when no lawmakers will even be working or around for that matter. There is also a nationwide open carry rally that was scheduled for February 8th at all of the state capitols. That is the one I will be attending as there are speakers scheduled and it is happening on a buisness day rather than an off day.

Now, I'm just guessing here; but I would think it is on a Saturday because most of the 2nd supporters are right-wing and therefore have jobs. Since the most common working hours are Monday through Friday, Saturday makes the most sense.

Most of us work and aren't at the Administration's beck and call to drop everything and camp at a whim.

reply to post by TKDRL


I think the point of most people's argument is that we shouldn't have to defend ourselves to such an extent. All this uproar is doing is fueling fear and paranoia.

reply to post by EL1A5
You're right, we should not have to defend ourselves...but there are mentally ill elitists with a demented view of life that pull the strings and want to destroy peoples freedoms left and right.

Originally posted by SourGrapes

Originally posted by usmc0311
I don't understand why this is being done on a Saturday when no lawmakers will even be working or around for that matter. There is also a nationwide open carry rally that was scheduled for February 8th at all of the state capitols. That is the one I will be attending as there are speakers scheduled and it is happening on a buisness day rather than an off day.

Now, I'm just guessing here; but I would think it is on a Saturday because most of the 2nd supporters are right-wing and therefore have jobs. Since the most common working hours are Monday through Friday, Saturday makes the most sense.

Most of us work and aren't at the Administration's beck and call to drop everything and camp at a whim.

Wow, you actually believe only right wing people work?

This is all ridiculous..

1) Not one of these proposed regulations states that you cannot own a firearm. Anyone stating that they do is feeding into the paranoia. I have not seen anything that says I have to give up my guns. (then I would be worried)

2) The "Natural Right" thing has been shot down in almost every nation on Earth, by ordinary citizens, time and time again. Defending yourself does not mean owning a weapon capable of mowing down a shopping mall in one minute or less, sorry doesn't work that way, never has, never will. That's just overkill (pardon the pun), stick with what works, it's less messy and people tend to not label you as a nutcase.

3) See above for "god given rights" there is no such animal. Not everyone believes as everyone else, get over it.

I concede that it is in everyone's nature to defend ones self, and to defend ones family, however I will also put forth that defense does not equal a fully automatic assault weapon with a 500 round magazine. Sorry people, that is the type of reasoning that has us in this mess to begin with, ever heard the following statement?

Just because one CAN do a thing, does not necessarily mean we MUST do that thing.

That's a quote people should start getting used to, as it seems that none are using the brains everyone claims were put in us to develop these implements. Everyone is so upset that they want to enforce laws that have technically been there for a while, that passions and hate and anger set in and you lose the ability to think rationally.

Seriously.. think logically for a second. Do you think the Administration gives a damn whether you can shoot a herd of rabid hybrid vampire zombie dog like things attacking your cattle? No they don't, this administration only cares about one thing and one thing only.... Using the hatred you have for it's actions to prove that it's actions are correct. Let me explain that a bit better.

The more riled up you get, the more you start screaming about Natural and God Given rights, the more they will label you as radical and pass laws to restrict you further, they will go on TV and they will say "Hey look, they are all nutcases, we have to do this for the safety of the citizens as a whole, and they will spin it and spin it and the people will eat it up, because Obama is a great orator and knows how to woo the populace (I didn't vote for the man, I do not like his politics but.. )

Now what is the more logical form of action in this situation, to scream and yell and make wild claims like maniacs or to simply remind, calmly that we have a right in this country to bear arms, we need to continue to be able to, albeit, we agree we don't need fully automatic weapons, to keep ourselves protected, and to keep the government in check from becoming a dictatorship, if you calmly express those two reasons, it will be more noticed than all of the screaming, swearing and wild statements made throughout this thread.

When they decide that owning a gun is 100% illegal, then and only then would I scream at the top of my lungs that they are out of line, so far, it's just making it so that:

a) If you claim you're going to harm yourself or others, you ain't gonna be given the opportunity to carry out the threat, sorry I agree with this one.

b) strengthening the background check system so that all states have access to other states VIOLENT/DOMESTIC felony convictions, so that they can deny based upon that.

Nothing else, I think it's good that they look into mental illness, maybe they will stop drugging us all to death..

Think about it for a moment, soft and steady, or screaming and ranting like a lunatic, which one would you take more seriously?

Originally posted by skitzspiricy

Originally posted by SourGrapes

Originally posted by usmc0311
I don't understand why this is being done on a Saturday when no lawmakers will even be working or around for that matter. There is also a nationwide open carry rally that was scheduled for February 8th at all of the state capitols. That is the one I will be attending as there are speakers scheduled and it is happening on a buisness day rather than an off day.

Now, I'm just guessing here; but I would think it is on a Saturday because most of the 2nd supporters are right-wing and therefore have jobs. Since the most common working hours are Monday through Friday, Saturday makes the most sense.

Most of us work and aren't at the Administration's beck and call to drop everything and camp at a whim.

Wow, you actually believe only right wing people work?

Excellent job of taking those words out of context. Some of you morons prefer to hear/read what you want. Screw what anybody is actually saying.

Originally posted by mademyself1984

Originally posted by skitzspiricy

Originally posted by SourGrapes

Originally posted by usmc0311
I don't understand why this is being done on a Saturday when no lawmakers will even be working or around for that matter. There is also a nationwide open carry rally that was scheduled for February 8th at all of the state capitols. That is the one I will be attending as there are speakers scheduled and it is happening on a buisness day rather than an off day.

Now, I'm just guessing here; but I would think it is on a Saturday because most of the 2nd supporters are right-wing and therefore have jobs. Since the most common working hours are Monday through Friday, Saturday makes the most sense.

Most of us work and aren't at the Administration's beck and call to drop everything and camp at a whim.

Wow, you actually believe only right wing people work?

Excellent job of taking those words out of context. Some of you morons prefer to hear/read what you want. Screw what anybody is actually saying.

Exactly what words have i taken out of context? It's obvious what the poster was implying.

Also, can you please explain to me just what kind of moron i am, when you know absolutely nothing about me?

Instead of senseless arguing...

Originally posted by skitzspiricy

Originally posted by mademyself1984

Originally posted by skitzspiricy

Originally posted by SourGrapes

Originally posted by usmc0311
I don't understand why this is being done on a Saturday when no lawmakers will even be working or around for that matter. There is also a nationwide open carry rally that was scheduled for February 8th at all of the state capitols. That is the one I will be attending as there are speakers scheduled and it is happening on a buisness day rather than an off day.

Now, I'm just guessing here; but I would think it is on a Saturday because most of the 2nd supporters are right-wing and therefore have jobs. Since the most common working hours are Monday through Friday, Saturday makes the most sense.

Most of us work and aren't at the Administration's beck and call to drop everything and camp at a whim.

Wow, you actually believe only right wing people work?

Excellent job of taking those words out of context. Some of you morons prefer to hear/read what you want. Screw what anybody is actually saying.

Exactly what words have i taken out of context? It's obvious what the poster was implying.

Also, can you please explain to me just what kind of moron i am, when you know absolutely nothing about me?

edit on 19-1-2013 by skitzspiricy because: (no reason given)

I'll help you. You show me where the poster you quoted said only right wingers work. Then you WON'T be wrong...

Originally posted by theAnswer1111
Here is a simple message for anyone that thinks the Constitution is too old...

And if the second Amendment doesn't allow for reasonable regulation then either does the first and Hustler Magazine, Jack Daniels and Marlboro can advertise directly to your kids...who can purchase the same as well as automatic weapons. Hustler magazine can rent billboards with naked women in pornographic poses across from playgrounds...and we need to allow for magazines, advertising etc for pedophiles. Folks can carry guns in schools and on airplanes....And people can shout "I have a bomb and I am going to kill you all" with impunity in a crowded theater and giggle as kids get trampled. Hey and while we are at it...we can no longer arrest anyone and the death penality is over with...cuz "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness" is an uncompromising right.....speaking of rights...which is the only right in the bill of rights to include the phrase "well regulated"?

reply to post by Indigo5

none of them.
however, one says ... well regulated militia ... is that why you abbreviated the statement ?
won't face the facts or what exactly ?

how long has our government supported, provided for, enhanced or even met with the American militias ?
nah, Obama prefers to demonize, harrass, threaten and imprison them ... see Hutaree for examples.
www.freep.com...
thankfully, the judge hearing the case dismissed it.

Originally posted by SpookyVince
It probably won't make a definite change in those minds who defend allowing guns, but have a read at this:

The rate of people killed by guns in the US is 19.5 times higher than similar high-income countries in the world. In the last 30 years since 1982, America has mourned at least 61 mass murders.

Source:
ThinkProgress link

These numbers are speaking by themselves.

Yeah, and those being killed are killed by criminals, gangbangers, and lawbreakers, who will not obey any law prohibiting guns. All that does is disarm law abiding citizens and make them easy targets for criminals who do not obey the law.

Why do you think they pick "gun free zones" for mass killings?

Because those are easy targets.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Oh, you gotta love it: Beaufort County in NC just passed a resolution after calling a special session to address Obama gun control- and I quote:

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, by the Beaufort County Board of Commissioners, sitting in
duly called session on this day, that:
The Beaufort County Board of Commissioners calls upon the Governor and General Assembly of
the State of North Carolina to immediately pass an act to nullify the implementation within the
State of North Carolina of any Federal law, executive order or regulations restricting the right to
keep and bear arms, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, the County Manager be directed to see that no county paid staff
participate in nor allow any county resources be used in the implementation of any Federal law,
executive order or executive directive that infringe on the right to keep and bear arms, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the General Assembly is petitioned to take the appropriate
action to have a constitutional convention called upon concurrence by 2/3 of the state
legislatures for the specific purpose of amending the United States Constitution to strengthen
the Second and Tenth Amendments as applicable against Federal infringement of the
inalienable right of the People to keep and bear arms and prohibit infringement by the Federal
government in the states’ rights to guarantee the protection of the right to keep and bear arms,
and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the General Assembly adopt a proposed Amendment to the
North Carolina Constitution to be submitted to the voters to change Article I, Sec 30 to
guarantee the right of a law abiding citizen to carry unimpeded a concealed weapon in any
place that a duly sworn law enforcement officer may carry a weapon and that any law passed
by the General Assembly, or imposed by any executive official, restricting the right to keep and
bear arms, be subject to the strictest judicial scrutiny if challenged as infringing on the right to
keep and bear arms, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that this resolution, properly enacted and executed this the
______day of _____________, 2013 be transmitted to the Clerk of the Senate and House of
Representatives of the North Carolina General Assembly, the Governor, and each member of
the General Assembly as well as to each County Commission in the State of North Carolina and
to the N. C. Association of County Commissioners and to the public.

Read the whole PDF here:
www.beaufortobserver.net...

Read the article here:
Link

They are even asking to STRENGTHEN the second amendment!

See the video of the session:

And I am hearing it passed overwhelmingly, but the democrats weren't there!

wahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

edit on Fri Jan 18th 2013 by TrueAmerican because: (no reason given)

Beautiful.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Fondue

 

oh fudge, er Fondue, the Thompson platform has a long history.

Tommy guns hit the market around 1921 and were quite popular during prohibition.
they were not 'restricted' in 38

... they were adopted for military use that year.

just so we're discussing the same fully automatic weapon here ... your Thompson and my Tommy should be this, correct ?
www.militaryfactory.com...
those ^^^^ were still on the streets, legally, even in the 90s and a few still are today.

the reason i'm bringing this info to the conversation isn't just to correct you but to make everyone aware that even this particular [color=amber]machine gun was developed and marketed for CIVILIANS first and then adopted by the military ... not the other way around.

I bought a fully automatic Thompson .45 in 1973, legally.

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Oh, you gotta love it: Beaufort County in NC just passed a resolution after calling a special session to address Obama gun control- and I quote:

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, by the Beaufort County Board of Commissioners, sitting in
duly called session on this day, that:
The Beaufort County Board of Commissioners calls upon the Governor and General Assembly of
the State of North Carolina to immediately pass an act to nullify the implementation within the
State of North Carolina of any Federal law, executive order or regulations restricting the right to
keep and bear arms, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, the County Manager be directed to see that no county paid staff
participate in nor allow any county resources be used in the implementation of any Federal law,
executive order or executive directive that infringe on the right to keep and bear arms, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the General Assembly is petitioned to take the appropriate
action to have a constitutional convention called upon concurrence by 2/3 of the state
legislatures for the specific purpose of amending the United States Constitution to strengthen
the Second and Tenth Amendments as applicable against Federal infringement of the
inalienable right of the People to keep and bear arms and prohibit infringement by the Federal
government in the states’ rights to guarantee the protection of the right to keep and bear arms,
and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the General Assembly adopt a proposed Amendment to the
North Carolina Constitution to be submitted to the voters to change Article I, Sec 30 to
guarantee the right of a law abiding citizen to carry unimpeded a concealed weapon in any
place that a duly sworn law enforcement officer may carry a weapon and that any law passed
by the General Assembly, or imposed by any executive official, restricting the right to keep and
bear arms, be subject to the strictest judicial scrutiny if challenged as infringing on the right to
keep and bear arms, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that this resolution, properly enacted and executed this the
______day of _____________, 2013 be transmitted to the Clerk of the Senate and House of
Representatives of the North Carolina General Assembly, the Governor, and each member of
the General Assembly as well as to each County Commission in the State of North Carolina and
to the N. C. Association of County Commissioners and to the public.

Read the whole PDF here:
www.beaufortobserver.net...

Read the article here:
Link

They are even asking to STRENGTHEN the second amendment!

See the video of the session:

And I am hearing it passed overwhelmingly, but the democrats weren't there!

wahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

edit on Fri Jan 18th 2013 by TrueAmerican because: (no reason given)

I may have to start saving money to move, I am pretty sure MA will follow suit and be like NY. That does not bode well if I do decide I want to own a firearm for incase the SHTF.

Beaufort County, NC is a fine place to live.

reply to post by JuniorBeauchamp

sooo, are you bragging or was that an invitation to share ??
yes, the green-eyes are glaring ... i have always wanted to test one of those but didn't believe i'd ever get the chance after that ridiculous 90s fiasco.

'93 -- it was a good year for more than one reason

I went to the protest in Albany, New York today. Thousands of people and only one news van from ynn. I will post picture when I get home to a computer. My rights shall not be infringed!

Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by MajorKarma

 

Actually you are both kinda wrong...The court ruling applies to the DC gun Ban...DC isn't a state, so the state's right to arms or regulation is still undecided..and while the court did rule to over-turn the DC gun Ban...they also ruled that regulation was OK..

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.

It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose:

For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

en.wikipedia.org...

In your attempt to show you can Google the best, you have cut and pasted an opinion written in 2008, whereas my quotation was from 2010. More important, you chose to cut and paste only that portion you thought would serve your "Gun Grabbing Agenda". Nevertheless,here is the complete opinion of which you omitted some significant points:

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home and within federal enclaves. The decision did not address the question of whether the Second Amendment extends beyond federal enclaves to the states,[1] which was addressed later by McDonald v. Chicago (2010). It was the first Supreme Court case in United States history to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.[2] On June 26, 2008, the Supreme Court affirmed the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in Heller v. District of Columbia.[3][4] The Court of Appeals had struck down provisions of the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 as unconstitutional, determined that handguns are "arms" for the purposes of the Second Amendment, found that the District of Columbia's regulations act was an unconstitutional banning, and struck down the portion of the regulations act that requires all firearms including rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock." "Prior to this decision the Firearms Control Regulation Act of 1975 also restricted residents from owning handguns except for those registered prior to 1975."[5]

I must add, the "Opinion" that Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. is BS and contrary to what was specifically written in our Constitution, Bill of Rights and other writing by the Founders, who on fact said time and time again that the Government Shall Not Infringe upon the People's Rights to bear arms, i.g. "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed".

All this aside, the Government and its Supreme Court have a long history of "Infringing" upon the rights of the People inch by inch and violating their sworn oaths of office to support and defend our Constitution. Supreme Court Justices have a history of serving Two Masters and thus their "Opinions" are often Corrupted.

Here is a Judge I respect telling it like it is (educate yourselves):

reply to post by ispyarich

Originally posted by ispyarich
I find the post on "data collection" very intersting. What a genius way to collect infomration. The people that will attend these rallies are the legal gun owners that have a vested interest and are the people that will actually "act" to make their voices heard. All these people in one spot, what a good way for the government to find out which individuals actually care about the subject enough to act and go protest. Bam! Face scan. O, that is John Doe Jr., I didnt know he was pro gun. Put him on the watch list.

And when they find out who the active people are they can can cross reference the facts about their life and find all of the active types, even before some of the active types know that they are going to be active types.

Have they done this already? Gotten to know what we will do before we do it?

Some number of terrabyte drives enable a single entity to keep an Encyclopedia Britanica sized file on each and every person in the United States.

If it doesn't happen soon, it never will.

reply to post by bknapple32

originally posted by bknapple32
You realize background checks are just as much for mentally un fit people as they are criminals. What's wrong with that idea

Are mentally unfit people prohibited from driving? I don't know whether they are, do you?

Being against some things is like being against tornados and hurricanes. How many laws would it take to prevent robbery or rape from ever happening?

I have to admit, I see concern from the government for our welfare as a nice sunny glare covering the maw of eternal slavery.