I got punched in the face for asking for my receipt; literally.

Originally posted by Advantage
reply to post by AwakeinNM

 

Awake., you're gonna give some folks a chuckle on here who DO know me... but you know me sooo well.

God, the hubris out of some on here.

I agree with you, and I would give the same advice. It does not absolve the actions of the employee, however.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by bknapple32

Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by bknapple32

 

Well there is, but there's also something called point of sale and point of purchase laws too. As well
as evidence laws that empower your case(s) in court defense.

edit on 14-1-2013 by streetfightingman because: (no reason given)

Counter intuitive. .. If a customer is causing a problem in the eyes of the owner or employee of a private property, then said customer can be kicked out of that private property. End of story

There's also a difference between "kicked out" and "assaulted".

Believe me, I don't think the OP handled himself in the most ideal way, but there is no debate here. No one "deserves" to get assaulted because of their actions, however rude.

Please...I know plenty of people who were "physically" (is putting it nicely) kicked out of establishments. Be them restaurants, stores, bars....you name it. None of them would say they were "assaulted". They would all say perhaps they were being a prick.

Originally posted by streetfightingman
brutal force was used to resolve the situation by the other party.

hold on, you also said "after he walked away to get his phone to call the cops, and began punching him as he tried to defend himself in the side of the head"

So you walked into a shop, abused the shopkeeper then physicaly attacked him....

also you walked into another shop and started on a tirade against them....

"The bake store near my place also doesn't want me in my store. It has openly admitted it is "communist:" affiliated with the Alberta Business Association. I came in there one time on a tirade"

You seem to be the one with a problem, verbally and physically attacking shopkeepers!

Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by bknapple32

 

And that I should carry a copy of all business laws with me as well as a copy of the criminal code

edit on 14-1-2013 by streetfightingman because: (no reason given)

To remind yourself that when a private property asks you to leave, they have every right.

Hit him where it hurts.
Call the local TV station and tell them how that business treats it's customers.
Use social media too to make a stink.

Still, something tells me you are leaving out quite a bit of what has happened in the past between you two.

Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by Manhater

 

Yes he does. But at the same time, I would like to know why. Is it inflation? Or was it a personal choice?

I want to be informed on economic issues. Is this wrong?

No it's not wrong.

Is this guy just an employee or does he own the place? If he owns the place then he has every right to raise the prices of his goods to cover his losses. Tax time, it kills small business owners.

If he was just an employee, than talk to his manager or the owner and if it's family owned you may have harder time in seeing anything done.

At best, report him to the police for simple assault.

That's the best you can do to solve your delima.

I deal with demanding people all day and what I do it goes in one ear and out the other. I shut them out. I've had people gripe over a penny when they stand there with wads of $100 bills. I stand there and say to myself "Give me a ff'en break".

reply to post by streetfightingman


I knew there was a history brewing somewhere there. It seems to me, considering this is only a one sided story, that you have a habit of interrogating him over trivial things and it built up to that extreme moment. If this was a first time meeting it would be more shocking, but what I can deduct from the developing story here it seems as if the kettle that you were boiling finally blew its lid.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Advantage
reply to post by AwakeinNM

 

Awake., you're gonna give some folks a chuckle on here who DO know me... but you know me sooo well.

God, the hubris out of some on here.

I agree with you, and I would give the same advice. It does not absolve the actions of the employee, however.

Funny, I never said it did. I said several times he ( the shop employee/owner) acted savagely.. but you insist to write that absolute tripe of a reply. YOU assumed that and then attempted to be insulting. I dont bite.. on message boards anyway.

Well put yourself in the business owner shoes now:

Would you ask someone to leave for arrogantly requesting a receipt?

I wasn't raising my voice. I was calm at some points. I am a rational person.
I didn't infringe on his personal space, nor did I swear at him. I asked for my receipt.

And he said "You have to ask."

And I said "I did ask."

And that's when he said "Get out."

And I said "No. I want to buy this product."

And he said "F. You."

Does this seem right?

Originally posted by streetfightingman
I was asked to leave, that is the problem that is afflicting me.

So should I have left? How can he justify this? What would
have been his reason? If it is a personal reason, then
I can see, but I don't associate with him personally.

I associated with him personally a few points throughout my history
of shopping there, however he's stated that he doesn't enjoy
talking to me so I've stopped talking to him.

Who cares? I think most of us could take an easy guess. .. But again, this is victim mentality at work here.

Originally posted by streetfightingman
I was asked to leave, that is the problem that is afflicting me.

So should I have left? How can he justify this? What would
have been his reason? If it is a personal reason, then
I can see, but I don't associate with him personally.

I associated with him personally a few points throughout my history
of shopping there, however he's stated that he doesn't enjoy
talking to me so I've stopped talking to him.

You were asked to leave. This is not a problem that should be affecting you.

Yes, you should have left. He can justify it because you refused to, and you were on private property. His reason was you made him uncomfortable, and when asked to leave, you refused. In a way, believe it or not, you attempted to entice a riot by involving others in your diatribe. If it is a personal reason, how is that any different than your personal reasoning behind attacking him verbally over your displeasure with "never" receiving a receipt, when he could have never known it upset you?

You may have associated a few points of your "shopping history" (who does this? who talks like this?) but you also compared him to Hitler....FFS!

He stopped talking to you because you were rude, you disobeyed his rightful wishes for you to leave, you made him uncomfortable, you treated him unfairly. And he did the same to you in return. It doesn't seem all that complicated to me...

He's probably just sick & tired of rude people.

I can certainly understand his point of view.

reply to post by bknapple32


If you went to target and bought a coke, and then the
cashier - who owned the store - told you to leave when you
asked for your receipt, what would you do or say?

"I'm going to write to Target."

What should I have said?

"I'm going to write to... your mom."

Grabbed by the arms and physically escorted off premises is getting "kicked out". Being punched in the head is assault and battery. There is no justification. None. It is a criminal act.

I think it is time for an LEO to chime in here. I would assume that if police were to do anything, they would probably both be arrested - the OP for disturbing the peace or something like that, and the employee for assault.

Wow, what a crazy story. Just over a receipt. Well, I guess lessoned learned. "May I please have a reciept" (not sure what you needed it for, I generally don't need one), but in any case the owner did overreact big time, and second lesson, you never need to return to that store or restaurant again.

Peace!! ID

Originally posted by streetfightingman
Well put yourself in the business owner shoes now:

Would you ask someone to leave for arrogantly requesting a receipt?

I wasn't raising my voice. I was calm at some points. I am a rational person.
I didn't infringe on his personal space, nor did I swear at him. I asked for my receipt.

And he said "You have to ask."

And I said "I did ask."

And that's when he said "Get out."

And I said "No. I want to buy this product."

And he said "F. You."

Does this seem right?

Who cares? ?? Take your money elsewhere and file a complaint like an adult would do. There is obviously more to the story and us like talking to a kid in Detention swearing its the other kids fault.

reply to post by streetfightingman


Your own words *I came off as rude*. You, and your words, tone, attitude, set the tone for the exchange between both of you. Something to ponder while you are cooling off.....

Des

Originally posted by Advantage

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by Advantage
reply to post by AwakeinNM

 

Awake., you're gonna give some folks a chuckle on here who DO know me... but you know me sooo well.

God, the hubris out of some on here.

I agree with you, and I would give the same advice. It does not absolve the actions of the employee, however.

Funny, I never said it did. I said several times he ( the shop employee/owner) acted savagely.. but you insist to write that absolute tripe of a reply. YOU assumed that and then attempted to be insulting. I dont bite.. on message boards anyway.

edit on 14-1-2013 by Advantage because: (no reason given)

I wasn't trying to insult. If that's how you took it, then I don't know what to tell you.

reply to post by AwakeinNM


You've got to be kidding me.

He pushed me. He shoved me in front of his counter when
I refused to leave after asking for my receipt and
asking him to stop swearing at me. I just wanted
him to understand that I want this in the future,
instead he continued to swear. And then that's when - during
the point of the conversation - he intervened, and shoved me.

I didn't do anything. Yes I am the victim. Yes I do have the right to buy property at a business. Yes I do
have the right to my receipt. Yes I was arrogant, but yes I did also control my temper.

Oh another thing, if you return to the store and he doesn't want you there, he can call the cops on you now for trespassing. Just because he asked you the first time to leave and you refused. Good Luck. I think you boiled the waters with this store. (Was a receipt really that important now?)