Who discovered noah's ark? Ron Wyatt or Ed Davis/George Hagopian?

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posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 08:00 PM
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Hello everyone, second thread, still not perfect.

Recently I got really interested into the whereabouts of Noah's ark, especially after finding out about Ron Wyatt and although not many may find him as a credible source I still believe that he really did discover most if not all of the things that he claimed, however the one discovery that he claimed that I question is Noah's ark. Ron wyatt claimed that the ark is the Durupınar site, near mount ararat.




I was also intrigued by an eyewitness report of a man named Ed Davis who saw the ark in mount Ararat rather than in the Durupinar site. Another man named George Hagopian also said to have seen the ark earlier and from the drawings from what he saw it appears that they both seem to match




But from what Ed Davis saw, it seems that the ark was broken into two pieces judging from another illustration of what he saw


and it appears that there are 3 decks, just as mentioned in the book of Genesis. Now this immediately laid to rest the suspicion that I had that the flood story was a copy of the Epic of Gilgamesh since it mentions 5 decks rather than 3.


These both pictures above and below me are supposedly the same thing.


I happen to find modern photographs of the place where the pieces of the ark are allegedly placed






But back to Ron Wyatt, his find also is well documented and it seems rather difficult to tell which one could possibly be the real ark.

Drouge stone used in noah's ark according to Ron Wyatt

www.adiyamanli.org...

EDIT: I think I might have posted this in the wrong section, if possible can anyone please move it to the appropriate section? Thanks
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posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 08:07 PM
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Can you see it with google earth search?



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 08:17 PM
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I am completely convinced that Ron Wyatt is for real.

I spoke with a close personal friend of Ron Wyatt years ago that left me with no question whatsoever about the legitimacy of all of Ron's discoveries.


THE PROPHETIC TELEGRAPH No.78
"The Ark was found on 6th January 1982 but was kept secret by request of the Israeli Government. ... the whole episode has been compassed about by miracle." Link

See this link for more:
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 08:18 PM
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maybe there was more than one ark



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid
I am completely convinced that Ron Wyatt is for real.

I spoke with a close personal friend of Ron Wyatt years ago that left me with no question whatsoever about the legitimacy of all of Ron's discoveries.


THE PROPHETIC TELEGRAPH No.78
"The Ark was found on 6th January 1982 but was kept secret by request of the Israeli Government. ... the whole episode has been compassed about by miracle." Link

See this link for more:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


I'm also convinced that Ron Wyatt is for real, but like I said, why does it appear that there are 2 arks?



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 08:25 PM
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So you really think a boat made of wood will last 8,000 years on a volcano? Really? Doesn't wood rot? Wouldn't there have been great demand for wood in a post flood environment? Surely the ark was broken up for housing and the remains rotted away eons ago. Surely.



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by sneaglebob12
I'm also convinced that Ron Wyatt is for real, but like I said, why does it appear that there are 2 arks?

There are many analogies that might help explain it.

There are many Ark of the Covenants in various places and ALL of them claim to be real.

Only ONE has all of the obvious signs that show it to be the real thing.

There are MANY religions that ALL claim to be real.

Only ONE has the supernatural signs and miracles that PROVE it to be the real thing.

The "genuine" will ALWAYS attract the counterfeits.

The stealth agenda is to keep you away from the genuine.



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 09:11 PM
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I thought there were secret pictures at the Pentegon that Byrd took at the Ark???
second line



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 09:23 PM
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Here is one major clue that I recently came across that correlates Ron Wyatts discoveries and shows that they are in fact the real thing:



"When Solomon dedicated the temple, the house was filled with the smoke... That is called Shekinah meaning the place where God dwells and rests. Literally meaning rest. God is not looking for a place to just visit; He wants a room to dwell in. He wants a place for you to seek His presence on a daily basis." LINK


"There is a verse in Maccabees that says Jeremiah hid the Ark in a cave on Mount Moriah and sealed the entrance. It then goes on to say that before the end of the world the Ark will be found again."

`The place shall remain unknown', he said, `until God finally gathers His people together and shows mercy to them. Then the Lord will bring these things to light again, and the glory of the Lord will appear with the cloud, as it was seen both in the time of Moses..."

The ARK will have its uses in THE TIME OF THE END


"The church has been gathering together for decades around a sermon. Israel camped around the Presence and we have known that there are some dramatic shifts that are going to take place in how we are going to do life; how we do church. The presence of God is the greatest gift we have..." ~ Bill Johnson



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid
Here is one major clue that I recently came across that correlates Ron Wyatts discoveries and shows that they are in fact the real thing:



"When Solomon dedicated the temple, the house was filled with the smoke... That is called Shekinah meaning the place where God dwells and rests. Literally meaning rest. God is not looking for a place to just visit; He wants a room to dwell in. He wants a place for you to seek His presence on a daily basis." LINK


"There is a verse in Maccabees that says Jeremiah hid the Ark in a cave on Mount Moriah and sealed the entrance. It then goes on to say that before the end of the world the Ark will be found again."

`The place shall remain unknown', he said, `until God finally gathers His people together and shows mercy to them. Then the Lord will bring these things to light again, and the glory of the Lord will appear with the cloud, as it was seen both in the time of Moses..."

The ARK will have its uses in THE TIME OF THE END


"The church has been gathering together for decades around a sermon. Israel camped around the Presence and we have known that there are some dramatic shifts that are going to take place in how we are going to do life; how we do church. The presence of God is the greatest gift we have..." ~ Bill Johnson


Not the ark of the covenant,noah's ark



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 09:28 PM
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I agree. When one looks at all the evidence that Ron Wyatt compiled it is hard to deny the high probability that he found both Arks. He was lead to incredible discoveries that to this day are silenced, especially with regards to The Ark of the Covenant and the Blood tested and discovered.

His work is worth researching in full. Tragic that they are forced to withhold the most revealing of all. It is to be expected that the enemy has kept this information from the world at large and utterly crushing for humanity and the truth.

The one I find a potential contender is George Hagopian with regards to Noah's Ark. It is difficult to discount either, one is disintegrated and the other was most difficult to access for further research. However, in my opinion Ron Wyatt discovered the real McCoy.


www.ronwyatt.com...

www.wyattmuseum.com...

www.wyattmuseum.com...
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posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 09:45 PM
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That Drogue stone is one of the many stones of Arzap. If it is an anchor then multiple stones would might suggest multiple arc's..


I don't think they are anchors but I'm not sold that they have anything to do with astronomy either as this short video suggests:



Good thread though, I absolutely think the arc is on top of Ararat. I think maybe it was first discovered awhile ago and that is probably when the symbols were put on the stones, maybe.



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 09:46 PM
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I agree Egyptia...

The laws of probability suggest that the ODDS of Ron Wyatt's discoveries being false are almost non existent.

Add to that the fact that they are fiercely attacked and covered-up by mainstream academia and media.

I would be VERY surprised if all of the counterfeits were not forgeries created to discredit the real.

This is EXACTLY how false religion works and the SAME people are actually behind both.



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Murgatroid
I agree Egyptia...

The laws of probability suggest that the ODDS of Ron Wyatt's discoveries being false are almost non existent.

Add to that the fact that they are fiercely attacked and covered-up by mainstream academia and media.

I would be VERY surprised if all of the counterfeits were not forgeries created to discredit the real.

This is EXACTLY how false religion works and the SAME people are actually behind both.


Agreed absolutely. It truly is undeniable when delving into Ron's research and discoveries.

I believe this to be true just as your signature says, which by the way is a brilliant reflection of the true state of this world. This world is literally in reverse of everything that truth should be but is not. It is in its core existence created through the manipulation of mankind to be the ultimate blasphemer of G-d and concealer of the truth.

Mankind serves to facilitate this lie in ignorance and denial and has done so throughout history for fleshly advantages and immediate treasures serving the flatulence of the ego.

They will not release the truth because like you said, there is too much to lose for the puppets in power and their rulers. This entire earth and societal structure is created and manifested upon lies.
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posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by Egyptia
They will not release the truth because like you said, there is too much to loose for the puppets in power and their rulers. This entire earth and societal structure is created and manifested upon lies.

The sad thing is that so very FEW have ANY idea what the true purpose behind those lies really is.

Not only is it designed to steer us away from the truth, but it's to keep us from finding the most important truth in all of history.

THIS is why they fight this tooth and nail, it is a fight to the death for our very SOULS.

This quote about the Ark of the Covenant pinpoints WHY they fight so hard to hide the truth:


As a student of Jewish deception for the last 33 years, I can smell a viper 7,000 miles away; and this is A COVER-UP, NOT A HOAX. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!

Mass Media, which normally is in search of sensational stories...BUT NOT IN THIS CASE!!! They won't touch this story, even with a radiation suit on!!!

If this story were a fraud, the jews wouldn't be bashing Ron Wyatt. The contents of the Ark are ABSOLUTELY EXPLOSIVE, namely: the two TABLETS containing the Ten Commandments, Aaron's rod, and a sample of manna in a pot. All of this would prove, beyond a shodow of a doubt, that the Bible is GOD'S WORD. The Illuminati have invested too much in academia to turn them againist the Bible. This discovery would totally blow the billions - if not trillions - of dollars they have invested in their anti-Bible campaign. The last thing the jews want is renewed interest in the Bible, especially the New Testament!!!" Source



posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Robonakka
So you really think a boat made of wood will last 8,000 years on a volcano? Really? Doesn't wood rot? Wouldn't there have been great demand for wood in a post flood environment? Surely the ark was broken up for housing and the remains rotted away eons ago. Surely.


According to the Biblical account the wood was covered in pitch not only on the outside surfaces, but the interior surfaces as well. This would substantially slow decay and preserve the wood.



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by Robonakka
So you really think a boat made of wood will last 8,000 years on a volcano? Really? Doesn't wood rot? Wouldn't there have been great demand for wood in a post flood environment? Surely the ark was broken up for housing and the remains rotted away eons ago. Surely.


The flood happened 4,400 years ago. It does not take very long for wood to petrify if it has been covered in mud. I do believe there is something to what you are saying about the ark having been broken up and used for housing.

Ron Wyatt said that when Moses wrote the book of Genesis, he would have referred to the Egyptian Royal Cubit. This makes sense, but, Moses never specified this. When God gave Noah instructions, He simply said to make it so many cubits long, by so many wide, by so many tall.

Back in Noah's day, a cubit was measured from the tip of a persons middle finger to their elbow. Each person has a different cubit. Much like in the Wild West days, where one would say they were selling a "10 hand horse", or however many hands. They used the length of their own hand to make that measurement, so for one person it could be a 10 hand horse, but to another it could have been a 9 hand or an 11 hand horse, based on the size of their hand.

Noah built the ark based on his own cubit. God knew that 300 by 50 by 30 of Noah's personal cubit would be the right size for the ark. And, in those days, people were taller than they are today. Pre-flood humans had not yet began to really degrade like they did after the flood. If one has really delved into Ron Wyatt's research on the ark, they will see that he found what is almost certainly Noah's grave, and that the skeleton within was over 12 feet tall. Noah was no slouch. This would mean Noah's cubit was about twice the size of the cubit most people believe he used. That would mean the ark would have been close to 1,000 feet long and a lot taller and a lot wider! I'm 5' 10" tall and my cubit is 19 1/2". So, by very rough estimate, if Noah was 12 feet tall, his cubit would have been over twice as long as mine, which would make it somewhere around 40 inches. The Egyptian Royal Cubit is right around 21 inches.

300 of Noah's cubit times 40 inches each would be just about right at 1,000 feet long.

I believe that what Ron Wyatt found is what remains of the ark after Noah and his family took what they needed in order to build houses and other things. And as the population grew, more people took some of the wood here and there for souvenirs or who knows what. From what Ron Wyatt found, the ark started out higher up on the mountain, but a mudslide swept it down to the spot it rests at today. The houses and things built out of the ark wood could have rotted away by now in the Valley of 8, but the remainder of the ark was covered in the mudslide, thus causing it to petrify quickly, preserving it.

Petrified antlers and feces, as well as fur, were found by Ron Wyatt. All were analyzed in laboratories. Metal rivets were found, as well as pieces of petrified wood which consisted of three or so different layers laminated together with some kind of glue which could still be seen dried in between the layers where it had oozed out during construction.

As to what the other ark-type thing is that the OP mentioned, I have no idea what it could be. I have no idea how far away from each other the two specimens are, but is it possible the one Ron Wyatt found is part of the other thing, and it was a really big mudslide which hit it, broke it in half, and caused it to travel very far? (I'm probably way off on that one; as I said, I have no idea) Who knows, maybe Ron Wyatt didn't find any part of the ark, and the other thing is really the ark. That would propose the question: What the heck did Ron Wyatt find then?!

I wish someone would finally take some really clear, close up pictures of the entirety of the other thing, so people can get a really good look at it.



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:05 AM
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Since none of them have been officially substantiated....no one has discovered anything.

Though I believe one of those discoveries could be the real deal.....we still have no tested, substaniated and without a doubt...arks discovered.



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 08:17 AM
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Unfortunately for Ron Wyatt, the "ark" near Mt Ararat is a natural geological formation. It isn't wood and doesn't contain any, it is rock (which has been tested).

However, for the layman, it is a very compelling argument - it looks like an outline of an ark so it must be one. Things like samples observed under microscopes don't occur to most! Added to the problems with this being the Ark are the height it was found at - if we melted all the ice in the world, water levels wouldn't reach this high (around 13'000 ft i believe).

Another problem is the preservation of wood. Put simply, according to the experts (Oxford Uni Timber Specialists, etc) wood would not be preserved that long unless it was in boggy conditions or it was under water - not that 13'000 ft up a mountain!



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 09:24 AM
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Amazing avatar! It just made me laugh at the thought of Young Frankenstein. Hahaha
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