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Originally posted by St Udio
reply to post by NysgjerrigDame
the early Christian Cult operated as a Communistic system...
communism: Definition from Answers.com
n. often Communism a theory or system of social organization in which all .... The
slogan from each according to his ability, to each according to his need' ...
enough said on why i am against bothedit on 3-1-2013 by St Udio because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
I have lived in communism and am living the Democracy now. My country was a part of the former Yugoslavia, before the break up in 1990.
The country was more or less thriving under the Tito regime. National industry was pretty strong. Hundreds of factories dispersed all over the country. My folks and I were living much easier than today.
It was a time of social sensitivity. Profit came last. There were no dollar hungry corporations back then. Jobs were much less stressful, the pressure wasn't that high. The industry was nationalized. People's jobs and survival of the community came first. The country was producing enough to feed it's people with minimum import of goods and resources. It wasn't paradise, but it wasn't too bad to tell you the truth. We didn't have LCD's and smartphones back then, but overall...people were able live decent lives.
All that changed when Tito died in 1980. He was an authority figure. He wasn't corrupt. Respected and admired. Not like some Korean dictators liked...but truly liked. People weep for him even to this day. After he died, the West was pretty eager to break the Yugoslavia apart....
you know why? Because it worked. The system worked. But it wasn't succeptable to outside influence, which bothered many. So they made sure...
Today...living in democracy...this is the result. My country is "independent" now. 90 % percent of the national industry is destroyed. Privatization was used to extract money from whatever was left on a national level. Unemployment is always rising. But, we have Mcdonald's and KFC's now. Entering the EU now in 6 months time will crush the rest of the local industry (under the EU law).
We live on credit today. Predictions are dire. The new age democracy politicians are now stealing money left and right (our Premiere is now on trial for theft, facing 10-15 years in prison). National Industry is long gone...we depend now on import, we were ordered to import, and ordered to quash the few remaining branches of our industry, to facilitate the entrance of big west corporations...we are now...slaves.
Was communism bad? Perhaps to some, it was trampling on some individual freedoms. And perhaps I don't have the entire picture. But on thing I can tell you for sure...as far as simple living of a common man...switching to democracy gave us no progress, at least it didn't in my country.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by Dispo
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Your entire post is countered with the OP.
Most so-called communists just use that fact that communism is most logical and makes the most common sense to become dictators. Examples are the USSR, cuba, North Korea, etc. But nobody ever talks about Spain before Franco's coup.
I am stating my case why it doesn't work.
I second this and have to ask you Mario is Croatia really joining the EU, last I heard was that EU said for membership approval the Adriatic coast and islands would no longer be under Croat control and the EU would take ownership of the area but the Tujman Gov. declined. The common man in the 70-80s in Yugoslavia had a much better life than the common man in todays Croatia. Destroy what would create unity if not and the masses unite, then who do you think will call the shots.
I am however interested to hear your "source" for this statement:
"Peoples idea of "thriving" varies greatly. Tito was a psychopathic murderer that lived in paranoia and fear of his own people he brutalized. "
Rummel: Tito’s Regime Took Million Lives
AUGUST 17 2007 09:07h
The American historian claims that partisans killed half a million people during WWII and even more after the war.
Spurred by a statement by Krk Bishop Valter Zupan who equalised Tito and his crimes with those of Adolf Hitler and the recent probing of a fox hole in Tezno near Maribor in which there are allegedly at least 15,000 victims of post-war mass executions, we dealt with the subject of the deadliest regimes of the 20th century, which includes Josip Broz Tito, according to the greatest American expert on issues of genocide.
Rudolph Joseph Rummel
Rudolph Joseph Rummel (born on October 21, 1932) is a political science professor at the University of Hawaii. He dedicated his career to gathering data on collective violence and war to help their resolution and elimination. His research shows that six times more people died in the past century due to democide than any of the wars in the 20th century. The author wrote 24 books on the subject of collective vipolence and war and the notion of democide.
GENOCIDE: the killing of people by the authorities because of their affiliation to certain groups (race, religion, language, ethniticity).
POLITICALLY MOTIVATED KILLINGS: the killing of people by the authorities for their political affiliation and actions.
MASS KILLINGS: the unjustified killing of people by the authorities.
DEMOCIDE: the killing of people by the authorities that includes genocide, politically motivated and mass killings.
Yugoslavia placed among mega killers
Rudolph Joseph Rummel, an American professor of political science, conducted research relating to the deadliest regimes of the 20th century. According to Rummel there are several categories of infamous regimes, depending on the number of lives a certain regime took.
Professor Rummel stresses that during World War Two, democide had been committed in Yugoslavia by the Nazis, Chetniks, Ustashi and Tito’s partisans. The author says that during the war the Ustashi killed more than 650,000 people, mostly Serbs, and Tito’s regime took half a million lives, mostly anti-communists, Ustashi and the regime’s critics. After the war the number rose, Rummel said.
The biggest obstacle to his research was that one could not draw a clear line between Yugoslav soldiers who died fighting against each other (Chetniks, partisans, Ustashi), Rummel stressed.
According to his data, the partisans killed some 100,000 people by July 1944, after which they became a legal army and killed another half a million people by the end of the war. The Chetniks killed some 100,000 people during the entire war, the author says.
Forced labour and the imprisonment of all enemies of the regime were typical for Tito’s reign, as well as the entire eastern Europe of that time. Live in camps for enemies of the regime was hell. Famine, overcrowdedness, brutality and exceptionally poor living conditions took some 200,000 lives, according to Rummel. The most infamous camp of that sort was Goli Otok.
The number of victims reaches two million?
After the war Tito’s rule persecuted and killed Germans, Italians, Muslims and Albanians, says the