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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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Three shot dead as US gun reform debate intensifies


www.abc.net.au

A man armed with a pistol has fatally shot three people in Pennsylvania, one of them in a church, before he was killed in a shootout with police as he tried to flee.

Three police officers also were injured in the confrontation with the gunman in Frankstown Township, about 160 kilometres east of Pittsburgh, shortly after 9:00am on Friday (local time), police said.

The violence in Pennsylvania unfolded as bells tolled and many Americans observed a moment of silence for the 20 children and six adults killed last week by a gunman at an primary school in Newtown, Connecticut.

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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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No name released as yet but the gun debate looks like it is accelarating...
Has anyone heard of this yet? It was uploaded to abc over an hour ago and quite surprised it isn't on ATS yet?
Things seem to be getting out of hand and this may just make things even worse.

I searched other online news and so far nothing released, maybe they don't want another shooting news story released so soon.

"The violence in Pennsylvania unfolded as bells tolled and many Americans observed a moment of silence for the 20 children and six adults killed last week by a gunman at an primary school in Newtown, Connecticut." Maybe the Sandy Hook shooting has pushed people over the edge..."

This happened soon after people had paid tribute and respect to all those who died.

Unsettling times and I hope things settle down.


edition.cnn.com...
(this one on CNN states 4 dead)


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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:15 AM
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Pop quiz.

How many false flags will it take until America is disarmed?

*cues music theme from Jeopardy*



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:21 AM
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Blair County Emergency Management Agency FB Page


A man fatally shot a woman decorating for a children's Christmas party at a tiny church hall and killed two men elsewhere in a rural central Pennsylvania township Friday before he was fatally shot in a gunfight with state troopers.
Fox News - Woman decorating church, 2 others killed by gunman in rural Pennsylvania shooting


news just in from Fox but all slightly different reports. This is getting way out of hand.

where r the social media reports, usually twitter is flooded...
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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I wonder how long the root causes of these incidents are going to be ignored while people instead try to make the issue about gun control. Society has some major issues, and it always has had them. If all the guns were gone it doesn't change the fact that some deranged person could burn down a building with a bunch of people in it though.

Which means the causes of things like this need to be addressed first and foremost.
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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Nothing will change with this situation, until the government there realise that it is not the guns they need to be worried about, but the people who are managing to get hold of them. It seems to me that if the controls preventing unbalanced individuals from gaining access to weapons were strong enough, then perpetrators of this type of crime would be forced to illegally aquire weapons, or use less automatically dangerous equipment.

The people who are enacting these spree killings are the sort who would probably do so with ANY tool available, so it is them, and not the equipment they choose to kill with that is the problem.

The mental health authorities in the USA need to work harder to take dangerous people out of society before such things occur. A hammer, a knife, a car, a bucket of fertiliser, acid.... all these things in the wrong hands are murderously dangerous. It is preventing psychopathic offenders, and dangerously unstable people from harming thier fellow citizens that is key to ending this issue once and for all, not regulating the ability of people to defend themselves.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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Its a wicked world when you need a guard to put up some christmas decorations just incase a nutjob is walking around



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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WTF? im not allowed to post a #ing link????????????

i was trying to post some links of people that have killed several people with their cars and ask, why dosent anyone ever suggest banning cars?



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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well there is definitely a big problem. when I was searching for info, along side this news story were others, like one cop fatally killed, the other one badly injured on the 17th and there were other stories of smaller scale shootings and not much is said about them.

then I read in one of the articles that the Blair County assessed the shooters fb page and on his fb page, he intended to kill a hell of a lot more. Why the hell wasn't that flagged? Farout, it is always 'after the event'...



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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people get shot and killed in america everyday.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 09:03 AM
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I don't know why social media is not flooded with this story yet, but if you go to the Huff post main page now, you can see they are playing into people's fear in a big big way.

www.huffingtonpost.com...



TO LIVE AND DIE IN AMERICA
3 Shot And Killed In Mich... 18-Year-Old Shot Multiple Times, Dies... Man Kills Wife, Teen, Himself... Man Shoots, Kills Own Son... Cops Shoot Teen Dead... Man Gunned Down In Parking Lot... 5 Dead In Spate Of Shootings... 2 Murdered In Philly... 2 Kansas Cops Shot Dead... Shooter Killed... 4 Die In Apparent Murder-Suicide... Ga. Cop Dies From Gunshot... Argument Leads Teen To Shoot Friend... Man Shot To Death... Teen Dies After Being Tied Up, Shot... Man Shot Dead In Street... Drug Deal Leads To Shooting Death... Mother Of 2 Killed In Road Rage Shooting... Man Shoots, Kills Intruder... 1 Killed In Coney Island... Man Dies From Gunshot Wounds... Cops Investigate Gun Death... Shooting Victim's Body Found On Bike Trail... Man Charged With Shooting Own Brother Dead... Man Dies After Being Shot In Chest... Body Of Shooting Victim Found In Pickup... Teen Arrested For Robbery Shooting Death... Man Carrying 2-Year-Old Son Shot Dead... Man Fatally Shot Near Home... Parolee Dies In Shooting... 1 Killed In Buffalo Shooting... Man Shot Dead In Apartment Complex... Street Gun Battle Kills Grandma Bystander... Man, Woman Dead In Apparent Murder-Suicide... Woman Shot Dead By Intruder... 14-Year-Old Arrested Over Fatal Gun Attack... Man Found Shot Dead In Parking Lot... Woman Shot In Face By Ex-Boyfriend... 1 Woman, 3 Men Shot Dead... 2 Die In Attempted Robbery... Army Reservist Shot To Death In Alley... Man Shot To Death In Bodega... 2 Shot Dead In Burned House... Man Shot During Break-In... Man Fatally Shot... 20-Year-Old Gunned Down... Man Shoots Self During Police Pursuit... 1 Killed In Baltimore Shooting... Cops ID Shooting Victim... 60-Year-Old Man Shot Dead... Shot Man's Body Found In Vacant House.... Woman Shot And Killed Outside Her Home... Shooting Victim Was 'Trying To Turn Life Around'... Slain Shooting Victim Found In Street.... Driving Altercation Leads To Shooting, 1 Dies... 3-Year-Old Dies In Accidental Shooting... Man Turns Self In After Allegedly Shooting Wife... Man Shot Dead Outside Home... 3 Slain In Separate New Orleans Shootings... Cops Investigate Shooting Death... Man Shot Dead In Ohio... Teen Shot To Death... Man Dies After Being Shot Multiple Times... Man Charged Over Son's Shooting Death... Cops Find 2 Men Shot Dead... 1 Dies In Shooting... Man Charged Over Gun Killing... 1 Shot Dead In Confrontation... Man Charged With Murder Over Shooting... Motel-Owner Shot And Killed... Husband Shoots Estranged Wife Dead... Suspect Arrested Over Deputy's Shooting Death... Police Probe Fatal Shooting... Cops Kill 2 Suspects In 3 Shooting Deaths... Man Killed Fighting Back Against Robber... Man Killed In Home Invasion.... Nightclub Shooting Kills 1... Child Brain Dead After Drive By Shooting... Man Charged Over Shooting Of Ex-Wife... Body Found In Vacant House... Teen Fatally Shot...


Panic and fear. They are drumming it up.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 09:05 AM
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3 people and a few cops.. no big deal to me. In New Orleans this happens almost every weekend. This is commonplace in many places. I can't see this seriously being a catalyst for the gun reform movement.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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Not trying to down-play ANY shooting - unfortunately people in this country are shot or shot at on a daily basis (sic. gangland violence, drive-bys, etc.). But now that some retard got his hands on mommy's guns, killed her and a bunch of innocent kids before offing himself (if that's indeed how it even went down) bringing gun-control politics to a near hysteria. The MSM is now gonna brow-beat us with every little incident where two or more fatalities are involved. TPTB own the MSM and are gonna milk every little incident until the masses will blindly say "no more guns". I believe we need stricter regulations with annual license renewals and mental evaluations. But not outright banning.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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YES that is what I thought was strange... usually twitter is flooded by tweets from locals/people nearby/FB etc.
FB goes off pretty quickly... when a house was on fire near where I lived, I knew what was going on via FB BEFORE the fire truck got there!!!

ABC released this story first,, but the others seem quite slow. Maybe they are down grading it because of how tense everything is getting?

I just read the entire thread of Who is Chris Rodia ... a lot of discrepancies with the media that they are discussing... leaves a sour taste in my mouth.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by Terrormaster
Not trying to down-play ANY shooting - unfortunately people in this country are shot or shot at on a daily basis (sic. gangland violence, drive-bys, etc.). But now that some retard got his hands on mommy's guns, killed her and a bunch of innocent kids before offing himself (if that's indeed how it even went down) bringing gun-control politics to a near hysteria. The MSM is now gonna brow-beat us with every little incident where two or more fatalities are involved. TPTB own the MSM and are gonna milk every little incident until the masses will blindly say "no more guns". I believe we need stricter regulations with annual license renewals and mental evaluations. But not outright banning.


well that is very interesting... and when I came across so many small scale shootings that didn't even rate on the media or public hysteria scale... I was surprised. I did not know there were so many shootings EVERYDAY



Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
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3 people and a few cops.. no big deal to me. In New Orleans this happens almost every weekend. This is commonplace in many places. I can't see this seriously being a catalyst for the gun reform movement.


wow... so common that people accept them as an everyday occurrance?
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posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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He also tried to run the police over with his truck as he slammed it into a police car. I myself would rather be shot than run over by a vehicle.

I don't have to be sarcastic and say why aren't they banning vehicles do I? You can kill people with a lot of things. Sure guns do make it as easy as point and shoot but if guns are regulated these deaths aren't going to stop. It will just get more brutal with stabbings or vehicular manslaughter.
I know the news doesn't want to say it but these killings weren't random. The killer knew those 3 people. I read last night that the two men were his neighbor so I'm guessing he also knew the lady at the church because two women were present and he only killed one and left the other alone.
In my opinion, no gun ban would have stopped this guy from killing them. It was a grudge of some type and one way or the other he seemed determined to end their life and who ever else got in the way.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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I wonder how long the root causes of these incidents are going to be ignored


what if the root cause turned out to be an alien [or government] mind control weapon being turned on the populace ?

it's not likley we could have a rational discussion about it.



posted on Dec, 22 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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I know you directed that at boncho but had to butt in with MK Ultra... ?

It did cross my mind and I am starting to feel that anything is possible now. I would not be surprised. There is an exellent thread about it in the research forum.

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yes I agree, psychopaths if they want to kill there are many ways of doing that.
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